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[Rekkampum]

I did, actually, and if you read my comment, you'll find that I never personally accused you of anything, let alone saying the decision was wrong. Rather, I added your quote to my reply after it was written, as it was as much addressed to your comment as the multitude of other "Qunari can never be trusted and will (insert something shady here)!" comments in this 12 page thread. Yours was merely chosen because it claimed the inevitability of another Qunari invasion was a "fact". Unless it's from someone writing for Bioware, I find comments like that amusing.

 

You don't have to. You quoted one sentence from my post and responded to it. Again, me clearly saying I like the Qunari, admire the Qun, and don't think allying with them being wrong demonstrate that it isn't like the "multitude" of other comments demonizing them.

 

Secondly, I made an argument and used facts to support an argument, unlike you. The fact is, that Qunari have tried to invade three times before when they had the opportunity. Another fact, is that Sten, who is now the Arishok, also alluded to them invading. Unless a miracle retcons Qunari society, they will likely do so again if given the chance. Have I said one should hate them, et al because of this? No. So please, like I said, continue to interpolate the words of others.

[Han Shot First]

Qunari every time, even with my canon Inquisitor who is a devout Andrastian that believes the current 'peace' is nothing more than a temporary pause from war and Exalted Marches.

 

Lorewise the Qunari alliance is much more valuable than a small band of mercenaries, even if the game doesn't reflect that. Also the two priorities of a combat leader are mission accomplishment and troop welfare. The welfare of the troops however, while one of the main priorities of a combat leader, is always secondary to accomplishing the mission . An Inquisitor who chooses the Chargers over the mission is a weak leader who puts personal feelings or friendship before the mission, and would be better off letting someone with an actual spine (like Cassandra) replace him or her as the Inquisition's leader.

[congokong]

I always save the Chargers. Krem is a good friend who always helps out on war table missions, and I have no regrets. Sten is a wonderful Arishok and fav compantion from DAO, but Qunari in general are harder for me to trust since Kirkwall.

Sten? The monster who strangled the person who saved him, and then rinsed/repeated seven more times (including children) until finally "coming to his senses." And all over a sword?! I pity the qunari if he's their arishok.

[Rekkampum]

Qunari every time, even with my canon Inquisitor who is a devout Andrastian that believes the current 'peace' is nothing more than a temporary pause from war and Exalted Marches.

 

Lorewise the Qunari alliance is much more valuable than a small band of mercenaries, even if the game doesn't reflect that. Also the two priorities of a combat leader are mission accomplishment and troop welfare. The welfare of the troops however, while one of the main priorities of a combat leader, is always secondary to accomplishing the mission . An Inquisitor who chooses the Chargers over the mission is a weak leader who puts personal feelings or friendship before the mission, and would be better off letting someone with an actual spine (like Cassandra) replace him or her as the Inquisition's leader.

 

Bad example, because in post-mission banter she clearly says she would not have sacrificed the Chargers for a Qunari alliance. A hardened Leliana, on the other hand...

[Rekkampum]

Sten? The monster who strangled the person who saved him, and then rinsed/repeated seven more times until finally "coming to his senses." And all over a sword?! I pity the qunari if he's their arishok.

 

Asala wasn't just a sword. In the Qun, it represented an extension of who he was.

[congokong]

Asala wasn't just a sword. In the Qun, it represented an extension of who he was.

I'm aware. It is still a sword. Doesn't sanction strangling children.

[Qunquistador]

Why are you putting it all on the Chargers when the Inquisitor, i.e., you, are the one who placed them in that deathtrap? Soldiers know the risk of battle, but its a sad sight to see soldiers who fight like lions be led by donkeys. The Chargers are the brilliant few, why sacrifice them for the mediocre many? It isn't about hate, it's about seeing a needless and unacceptable loss be traded away for an intangible gain.

 

Iron Bull gave the Chargers their orders and their position, not the Inquisitor. By the time my Inquisitor went to tell Bull she was ready to move out, the Charger's were already briefed without any say from her. Hence Gatt's "I knew you gave them the easier job" comment to Bull later on.

 

And it was Iron Bull who saw fit to involve them in the mission to begin with,

 

So if anyone's the "donkey" (your words, not mine) in this situation, it's Iron Bull. 

 

The only thing that was unacceptable was not following through with a plan my Inquisitor agreed to in the first place. If she doubted the Qunari that much, she never would have accepted Bull's offer (or Bull), but she trusted them both to honor their word. She simply honored her word in return. 

[congokong]

Thee's more to Sten than that and he did regret his actions. Sten in my DAO game calls my Warden Kadan and has learned much from her, especially patience. Lol however you have to understand Qunari and what that sword was to him too.

Great. He regrets his actions. That will bring those eight dead people back. People with anger issues, which Sten clearly has, often regret their actions afterwards. Going over how he calls your warden "kadan" only says to me "I'm appealing to emotion to favor Sten."

[MisterJB]

It is disgusting how people can be so in favor of mass genocide. The internet can really bring out the worst in people. If this were real and they were actually in the Inquisitor's position I wonder if they'd be so ruthless. Yes, they're qunari, and the qun's philosophical purpose in conquering/conversion of the world. That doesn't mean every individual qunari is less than a person. Many may not even agree/want to invade; even the warriors. Iron Bull is an example of this. It's emphasized several times how most qunari don't even care about conquest. They just live their lives. Yet because qunari soldiers are qunari their lives are worth nothing, and so any amount can die to save one Charger apparently by some. They are the enemy after all.

These people will flat out tell it to our face that they will, one day, invade and attempt to take over our lands, impose their way of life on us and kill those who resist and I should care about their losses?

 

IB is an atypical qunari and even him thinks we would all be much better under the Qun.

[Han Shot First]

Bad example, because in post-mission banter she clearly says she would not have sacrificed the Chargers for a Qunari alliance. A hardened Leliana, on the other hand...

 

No, it's a spot on example.

 

The mission of the Chargers was to hold that little hill to somehow prevent the Venatori from destroying the dreadnought. An Inquisitor who orders a retreat abandons a mission that you've already committed to, betraying allies in the process, because he or she fears putting his or her own men at risk. From a military point of view that's a textbook example of a weak leader.

 

I'm from the northeastern United States and would have been a Union man had I lived during the American Civil War, but Robert E. Lee has a great quote that applies. "To be a good soldier you must love the army. To be a good commander you must be willing to order the death of the thing you love."

[Rekkampum]

I'm aware. It is still a sword. Doesn't sanction strangling children.

 

He does at least admit he panicked, and he also accepted punishment for his crime and surrendered. "Asala" also means "soul" in Qunlat, and given how important fulfilling your duty to the Qun is, losing that was like losing the only thing that gave him worth as an individual.

[congokong]

He does at least admit he panicked, and he also accepted punishment for his crime and surrendered. "Asala" also means "soul" in Qunlat, and given how important fulfilling your duty to the Qun is, losing that was like losing the only thing that gave him worth as an individual.

Good. And he should die for "panicking" and strangling eight people, although I don't think that's true panic. More like blind rage. Most of my characters aren't bleeding hearts who give people chances to repent no matter how monstrous the crime. That and without meta-gaming recruiting him is absolutely absurd from what you know. It was like Bioware was trying to make Sten as repulsive on the surface as possible and seeing if people would still recruit/defend him.

 

With that said, I really hope he isn't arishok no matter what, because Sten repulses me.

[Rekkampum]

No, it's a spot on example.

 

The mission of the Chargers was to hold that little hill to somehow prevent the Venatori from destroying the dreadnought. An Inquisitor who orders a retreat abandons a mission that you've already committed to, betraying allies in the process, because he or she fears putting his or her own men at risk. From a military point of view that's a textbook example of a weak leader.

 

I'm from the northeastern United States and would have been a Union man had I lived during the American Civil War, but Robert E. Lee has a great quote that applies. "To be a good soldier you must love the army. To be a good commander you must be willing to order the death of the thing you love."

 

Not when the person you cite literally contradicts you. You cite Cassandra but she clearly would not be a good leader under your claim because she wouldn't do what you think a good leader would; in this case, sacrifice the Chargers.

[congokong]

These people will flat out tell it to our face that they will, one day, invade and attempt to take over our lands, impose their way of life on us and kill those who resist and I should care about their losses?

 

IB is an atypical qunari and even him thinks we would all be much better under the Qun.

The qun says they will one day invade. Not all qunari. And how do you know Iron Bull is "atypical?" Have you met them all? I've seen several who lack that certainty of Sten and the Arishok. Ex: Tallis, Iron Bull, Gatt.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I don't care about the Chargers. I just dislike Qunari. It's not like a band of Mercenaries are actually valuable to me or something. I just always lean on the side that screws over the Qunari in my games as much as I can (personally I prefer not even recruiting Bull in the first place). I could speak to length about it from an RPG perspective, but I also just dislike them as a player. I wish Gaider never created them in the first place. I just think they're a stupid idea, from an otherwise creative mind. Like hearing a bad song from a favorite band. Now I wish it'd just go away.

 

I also hate stoic people in general. Gives me bad flashbacks and triggers. lol. My brother is like that. He's an assh*le, and if it was up to me, I'd have a different brother too.

 

I thought they were interesting enough in 1 and 2.

 

And then DA:I came along...

[Qunquistador]

You don't have to. You quoted one sentence from my post and responded to it. Again, me clearly saying I like the Qunari, admire the Qun, and don't think allying with them being wrong demonstrate that it isn't like the "multitude" of other comments demonizing them.

 

Secondly, I made an argument and used facts to support an argument, unlike you. The fact is, that Qunari have tried to invade three times before when they had the opportunity. Another fact, is that Sten, who is now the Arishok, also alluded to them invading. Unless a miracle retcons Qunari society, they will likely do so again if given the chance. Have I said one should hate them, et al because of this? No. So please, like I said, continue to interpolate the words of others.

 

This was the entirety of your post( #253 on page 11).  And this is what I quoted. It's not a sentence in a post, it's the post itself.

The difference here though, is that we know for a fact that the Qunari will eventually invade and resume their crusade once the timing is right. It's inevitable.

 

Again, I quoted a post that was relevant to a comment I had already formulated. It just so happened to be yours. I'm not sure what your issue is now.

[Rekkampum]

I don't care about the Chargers. I just dislike Qunari. It's not like a band of Mercenaries are actually valuable to me or something. I just always lean on the side that screws over the Qunari in my games as much as I can (personally I prefer not even recruiting Bull in the first place). I could speak to length about it from an RPG perspective, but I also just dislike them as a player. I wish Gaider never created them in the first place. I just think they're a stupid idea, from an otherwise creative mind. Like hearing a bad song from a favorite band. Now I wish it'd just go away.

 

I also hate stoic people in general. Gives me bad flashbacks and triggers. lol. My brother is like that. He's an assh*le, and if it was up to me, I'd have a different brother too.

 

I honestly am glad we got a unique race with a culture that isn't among the staple -dwarves, humans, and elves - tropes of high fantasy. Of course, they're so different from what most would expect that it makes it easier for people to dislike them. Reminds me of how some folks thought of the Krogan. Meeting more followers of the Qun is honestly a must, because we've barely had any and I totally loved Gatt and Tallis.

[congokong]

I don't care about the Chargers. I just dislike Qunari. It's not like a band of Mercenaries are actually valuable to me or something. I just always lean on the side that screws over the Qunari in my games as much as I can (personally I prefer not even recruiting Bull in the first place). It's probably the only thing that my protagonists all share in common. I could speak to length about it from an RPG perspective, but I also just dislike them as a player. I wish Gaider never created them in the first place. I just think they're a stupid idea, from an otherwise creative mind. Like hearing a bad song from a favorite band. Now I wish it'd just go away. It's not so much about "genocide" as it is just mentally blocking out a crappy idea.

 

I also hate stoic people in general. Gives me bad flashbacks and triggers. lol. My brother is like that. He's an assh*le, and if it was up to me, I'd have a different brother too.

That's fine. I can respect wanting to stick it to qunari whenever possible. It's a game, after all. It just concerns me how people can defend killing an alliance meant to save the world and hundreds of qunari for five sellswords from a logical standpoint.

 

Myself, I find the qun intriguing plot-wise. I hate its certainty, and its biggest in-game advocators (Sten, the Arishok). It reminds me too much of religion which I also hate. I like it in fiction though, and qunari look awesome. I loved playing as a female one.

[Rekkampum]

I like unique races... definitely with you there. I just don't like this one.

 

I also wish there were more than one. In fact, I'd probably tolerate them more if they were one out of many. But it's the only unique race, and somehow that adds to the frustration, I guess. Like I wish they'd come up with a better idea, if they only got one chance like this.

Well there's the Kossith(can't remember if they're a literal race or ethnicity though)  and a couple others mentioned in lore we haven't seen before.

 

I think what can scare some people most is that they're so formidable and yet also pretty mysterious.