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[Rekkampum]

A sword is a sword. You'd think the apparently "waste nothing", pragmatic Qunari would realize this.
 

 

In your opinion. In the Qun, it's more than a material item.

[Cespar]

On a sidenote, it's funny that I hate the Qunari so much, and yet explain them anyways.

 

 

I guess I partly respect my enemies.  

Do you hate or dislike? (I'll probably regret asking.) 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I saved the dreadnaught ONCE, wasn't worth it, the Charger's WT missions are better so, I save them every time now. Besides Bull is happier that way.

[BabyPuncher]

The whole mission was sloppy. The bones of a conflict were there, but it never panned out.

 

I found it really stupid how the qunari send people to assassinate Bull. Yes, pissing off and making an enemy of what is effectively the most powerful faction (ugh) in Thedas in order to get petty revenge on one person for a mission gone sour is a brilliant tactic.

[The Baconer]

In your opinion. In the Qun, it's more than a material item.

 

The sword is attached to his role and only purpose in life, hence he associates it with his own Soul.

 

Yes, but the consequences for him losing it are nonsensical and inconsistent.

 

His personal reaction to losing it makes it easier to dehumanize the Qunari, though. I am fine with this.

[Digger1967]

That's interesting. I've always made him more a spirit so I was unaware of the contrast. Have I created a monster?

 

On the templar path against my better judgment I'd probably give him a chance because he saved my life. The "he's too dangerous, kill him" option is brutal. On the mage path though he's a complete unknown who shows up at your doorstep.

 

Regardless, I just avoid that area of Skyhold and never trigger his cut scene, that way I don't have to recruit him and I also don't get nagged to death with load screens when I tell him to take a hike.

 

Creepy I can handle. Constantly spouting obnoxiously yoda like nonsense, ya I can handle that.  Kids with bad haircuts, I can cope. People who wear the stupidest looking hats imaginable I can deal with. I can handle whiny people. I can even tolerate the sickeningly needed clinging types for a while.

 

I can't deal with all of that in one character though, and cannot believe that they would not only put such a horrible cliche in the game, but that they would go so far out of their way to make damn sure you'd add him as a companion. Ick.

[The Baconer]

I think his reaction is stupid, but not inconsistent. The Qunari believe everyone has a designated state of Being.. and to depart from it means you no longer are a person. This was why he freaked out. To him, it meant he was nothing. The absence of Being.

 

No, I meant the inconsistent part was the fact that he would be supposedly executed if he were to return without the sword.

[The Baconer]

Maybe he was overstating, I don't know. Too confused for his own good. Like he thought losing it made him Tal-Vashoth.. and hence, he should be killed on sight by Qunari.

 

"Even if I could cross Ferelden and Tevinter unarmed and alone to bring my report back to the arishok, I would be slain on sight by the antaam.They would know me as soulless, a deserter. No soldier would cast aside his blade while he drew breath."

 

So utterly pointless and uncharacteristically wasteful. Would they do the same to a carpenter who misplaced his hammer?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

That goes for every Qunari choice it seems. I wonder if any of it will have consequences.

Like not recruiting Sten could eventually have the "Wreav" version of Arishok? Or letting Isabela run away with the tome of Koslun could spiritually demoralize the Qunari leadership? Who knows...

I pondered about that for awhile now. Even going as far as the pro-Qun/Qunari route like recruiting Sten/befriending him, giving Isabela to Arishok as well as the tome, aligning with the qunari during IB's quest, helping Tallis out, decking your Skyhold out with Qun decor as a Qunari, lol- ECT. I wonder if that has any positive or negative outcomes in the future.

Example: It could influence how the leadership views the other nations. It can make it easier or harder for the next protagonist to deal with them or flat out lock out some choices.

I think with the choices you've mentioned could play a part if they wanted to implement some repercussions or rewards.

[Rekkampum]

The sword was made specifically for him, so it's not just a sword with sentimental value. We'd probably have to learn more about Qunari society before we can postulate further.

[The Baconer]

The sword was made specifically for him, so it's not just a sword with sentimental value. We'd probably have to learn more about Qunari society before we can postulate further.

 

That's pretty much the definition of sentimental value, it just seems the Qunari take that to the extreme. To such an extent that it will clash with their oft-repeated tagline, "the Qun wastes nothing".

[Xilizhra]

What I must ask is: what's the point of doing this quest if you don't trust the qunari?

Unfortunately, the answer is obvious: you can't make Iron Bull's quest progress without it. Which I find unfortunate, as I find it very plausible that one could allow one qunari spy to work with you in a sort of very constrained information exchange, but would draw the line at an actual alliance.

[Rekkampum]

That sword literally represents the very role and purpose he was trained to fulfill in the Qun. Losing that means he's basically a bas, possibly less than that. Also, the branches of the Qun operate differently. How the Ben-Hassrath would handle their agents is likely different from the Antaam.

[Xilizhra]

If you're at that state of distrust, you do what I do. Don't even bother with Bull to begin with. 

 

To me, it seems like you have to have some liking of the Qunari to even want him around. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me otherwise. Even if he isn't a typical Qunari, my character doesn't know that at first.

He's offering specialist mercs to the Inquisition, if nothing else, and they prove quite useful multiple times.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If you're at that state of distrust, you do what I do. Don't even bother with Bull to begin with. 

 

To me, it seems like you have to have some liking of the Qunari to even want him around. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me otherwise. Even if he isn't a typical Qunari, my character doesn't know that at first.

Too bad we can't recruit the Chargers without having to get The Iron Bull with them. That would be ideal. 

[Rekkampum]

Yes, but the consequences for him losing it are nonsensical and inconsistent.

 

His personal reaction to losing it makes it easier to dehumanize the Qunari, though. I am fine with this.

 

They fit the lore, so they're not inconsistent. Perhaps incomprehensible to those outside of them, but according to their traditions it obviously makes sense.

 

He also surrendered once he recognized what he'd done and that he'd dishonored himself, taking responsibility for what he did and accepting the punishment meted out to him. Out of curiosity, how exactly does a person acting responsibly make dehumanizing them easier?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

That's pretty much the definition of sentimental value, it just seems the Qunari take that to the extreme. To such an extent that it will clash with their oft-repeated tagline, "the Qun wastes nothing".

"Lost your sword? ..now, your head will be."
"The Qun waste no time."

That does seem little extreme. Then again, if you lose your sword.. Someone either took it by force and you've failed what your leadership asked of you ..or.. You lost it which implies you're incompetent to keep track of it. It feels extreme by my standards considering I could just farm for the materials. Hehe.