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[areopi]

This was, in my opinion, one of the hardest choices in the game. I thought it was pretty well done (you know, aside from the fact that I'm pretty sure I could have just shot a fireball at the mages).

 

My first inquisitor isn't a military strategist or really a diplomat, so making the pragmatic choice and letting them die didn't really fit. I thought of the Inquisition more as a populist/propaganda based movement, so the narrative of caring for the individual soldiers seemed like it may actually be more useful than the alliance anyway. Especially considering it's supposedly a faith based army. Working with the Qunari may have been the better choice, but there are certainly role play reasons and possibly even pragmatic reasons for saving the Chargers instead.

 

 Although, I didn't know about the consequences in Denerim so that's something I'll certainly consider next time. I like that there are actually consequences for choosing the emotionally easier option. In Mass Effect I frequently felt like choosing the renegade options just made me a jerk considering I could get the best possible outcome by being super nice and just playing a few multi-player matches

[The Baconer]

One thing Bull and Tallis make clear; if you're just getting the information from the Antaam, you're not getting the full picture that is the Qun.

 

Bull also makes it clear that as much as people view the qun as prohibiting independent thought, even the qunari disagree with each other. Sten's views and the previous Arishok's views do not necessarily represent the views of the qunari people as a whole, even if they are a pretty good indicator of the views of the Antaam.

 

The Antaam is going to be the first impression almost all non-Qunari are going to get. Personally, I'm quite fine with not learning more about it if that's going to require being conquered and submitting to re-education.

 

 

My Hawke wouldn't advise so strongly. She'd advise caution and honesty, but wouldn't rule out the possibility of an alliance all together.

 

And all of my protagonists are warriors; while I'm not going to say that a mage's distrust for the qun isn't entirely warranted, it isn't something my characters inherently share.

 

For a mage, there's nothing else that needs to be discussed. That Bull and Tallis prefer to duck this particular issue certainly doesn't make the Qun appealing.

[Tamyn]

Didn't one of the Bioware writers for Dragon Age say they hated those choices because everyone always took that option instead of the lesser choices? I think it was Gaider talking about the Redcliffe choice but don't quote me on that. It's early and it probably never happened.

 

I read that too, and the Redcliffe situation was mentioned. That's why you can't save Hawke's mom. It sucks.

[Raikas]

One thing Bull and Tallis make clear; if you're just getting the information from the Antaam, you're not getting the full picture that is the Qun.
 
Bull also makes it clear that as much as people view the qun as prohibiting independent thought, even the qunari disagree with each other. Sten's views and the previous Arishok's views do not necessarily represent the views of the qunari people as a whole, even if they are a pretty good indicator of the views of the Antaam.

Sure, but even Bull says the mages and the snarky characters would be dead or drugged into labourers, so he's one of the people painting that picture.

I don't think we all need to have the same perspective in how various inquisitors would react to that information (if they even had the conversation to begin with), but I think there's ample evidence in-game to argue for at least some of them to be very cautious (if not hostile) when it comes to the Qun.

I mean, there's a dialogue with Josephine early in the game where she asks the Vashoth inquisitor how he/she feels about the Qun, and one of the options for a mage pretty much has the character saying that his existence is an opposition to the Qun. To imagine that a character who has said that is going to suddenly trust the Qunari because a man whose name means "liar" tells him he should is absurd.

Any other race/class, I can see where someone might work the equation differently, but even then I think there's enough information via dialogues it to go either way.

[Rekkampum]

The Antaam is going to be the first impression almost all non-Qunari are going to get. Personally, I'm quite fine with not learning more about it if that's going to require being conquered and submitting to re-education.

 

 

 

For a mage, there's nothing else that needs to be discussed. That Bull and Tallis prefer to duck this particular issue certainly doesn't make the Qun appealing.

 

*Thinks about the quest with the Saarebas in DA 2*

[Chernaya]

I didn't ally with the Qunari. Firstly.. I was a mage. I don't care what they say, I would never believe the Qun would peacefully ally with a mage. They wouldn't trust me as a leader. Also, I can get enough allies to save the world just fine without having to sacrifice Bull's entire group of friends. Call me soft, but the guy was obviously sent away because he was having issues with all he had to go through with them, and having the Chargers saved him. I'm not taking that from him. 

[SgtSteel91]

At this point I may make two play-throughs just to see the consequences of this choice (and some other interesting choices) and if this would be a major factor in possibly obtaining peace/coexistence with the Qunari in a later game.

[Former_Fiend]

The Antaam is going to be the first impression almost all non-Qunari are going to get. Personally, I'm quite fine with not learning more about it if that's going to require being conquered and submitting to re-education.

 

 

 

For a mage, there's nothing else that needs to be discussed. That Bull and Tallis prefer to duck this particular issue certainly doesn't make the Qun appealing.

 

Neither myself nor my characters advocate conversion to the Qun. But cooperation and coexistence might just go a ways towards getting the qunari to back off on the whole invasion thing for another hundred years or so.

[jtav]

Qun. Any character who hated them wouldn't take the mission. So if it comes down to the tactical objective or the men, I choose the objective.

[SgtSteel91]

Qun. Any character who hated them wouldn't take the mission. So if it comes down to the tactical objective or the men, I choose the objective.

 

You could accept the mission for Bull's sake, then get cold feet with him when the Chargers are in danger and call the retreat, again for Bull's sake.

 

You can also say Bull made the choice, a lot of the companions seem to talk about the post-mission as Bull making the choice whether to save the Chargers or not.

[Valerius]

Originally I had planned to ally with the chargers without any hesitation, however the more I thought about it the more my opinions about it changed. My inquisitor put the survival of thedas above all else. Having an alliance with the Qunari, even if it was a shady one, would give me higher odds against fighting Cory. Don't get me wrong, I love the chargers, but saving 6 men at the cost of an entire nation's assistance just didn't seem realistic without metagaming. My inquisitor was a warrior though, so on my mage playthrough I let the Dreadnought sink and laughed as it happened. 

 

Also I had noticed something interesting about the decision. Bull's card shows him standing proudly with a flag if you save the dreadnought, while it shows him sitting next to dead qunari if you save the chargers. I wonder if this shows that the "right" choice is to save the qunari and show Bull who he really is. 

[Former_Fiend]

You could do it for Bull's sake, then get cold feet with him when the Chargers are in danger.

 

You can also say Bull made the choice, a lot of the companions seem to phrase the post mission as Bull making the choice whether to save the Chargers or not.

 

That actually annoyed me a bit, though I'm sure Bull does feel responsible for it. Never the less, I consider that one to be my character's decision.

 

That's in stark contrast to the Hawke/Warden decision, where your character isn't really deciding anything and it's fully on the player and the character making the sacrifice.

[gothicshark]

Neither myself nor my characters advocate conversion to the Qun. But cooperation and coexistence might just go a ways towards getting the qunari to back off on the whole invasion thing for another hundred years or so.

 

 

In our world we have had several Religions, and Several Political systems which used similar methods as the Qunari. My advise based on Real world facts, Invade them first Destroy their powerbase and scatter them to the wind. Otherwise they will never go away, they will always be trying to invade, they will never stop. 

[Chernaya]

You could accept the mission for Bull's sake, then get cold feet with him when the Chargers are in danger and call the retreat, again for Bull's sake.

 

You can also say Bull made the choice, a lot of the companions seem to talk about the post-mission as Bull making the choice whether to save the Chargers or not.

 

Yeah.. I took the mission for Bull. I mean, I would have allied with them if there wasn't this ultimatum, but it was an easy choice in the end since I wasn't super excited or invested in the alliance from the beginning. It could've been useful, but it also could have been troublesome. Bull made his own choice, he chose to agree with my advice. He could have just as easily said no. 

[Former_Fiend]

In our world we have had several Religions, and Several Political systems which used similar methods as the Qunari. My advise based on Real world facts, Invade them first Destroy their powerbase and scatter them to the wind. Otherwise they will never go away, they will always be trying to invade, they will never stop. 

 

Advice noted and rejected.

[Gallimatia]

A Vashoth Inquisitor allying with the Qunari would lose all credability in Andrastian circles. It would kill the Inquisition and end the tolerance building period of cooperation between a kossith and the Chantry.

[Skymaple]

I saved the Chargers, Iron Bull was my Kadan and I thought that he'd be happier with his friends, and it seemed it work. I don't like the Qunari philosophy at all, even Iron Bull says he wouldn't like them to have influence over southern Thedas, so... Besides, Denerim wasn't at stake, I sent Leliana It was sad though, at first Iron Bull got a bit lost but he appreciated having his friends with him (and me, of course). The Chargers is who he is now, there was little of Qunari left in him. At least, that's how I saw it.

[Former_Fiend]

A Vashoth Inquisitor allying with the Qunari would lose all credability in Andrastian circles. It would kill the Inquisition and end the tolerance building period of cooperation between a kossith and the Chantry.

 

Admittedly, I would have liked to see more fall out in this regard.

 

I'd still make the alliance, but I wouldn't mind if there were more consequences.

[Poisd2Strike]

I save the Qunari every time. While it kills the Chargers and might not be the best for Bull, scuttling the alliance means the Venatori spy network continues and their plot to burn down half of Denerim succeeds. 6 guys versus an entire spy network and half of Denerim's population seems an easy choice. Though I wish there was an option for the Inquisitor and/or one ally to run to them and intercept the Venatori. I even had Dorian's focus haste ability and thought that would factor in. 

 

This could have very easily been resolved with the following options:

 

1.  Blow the horn to signal the Qunari Dreadnaught

 

Iron Bull says 'crap' as he notices a small group of Venatori are moving to intercept the Chargers, who will likely die.  Being a think-on-the-fly type, my Inquisitor

 

2.  Blows the horn a 2nd time to signal the Qunari Dreadnaught to fire on the small group of Venatori, preventing them from reaching and killing the Chargers

 

Results: Qunari Dreadnaught saved...check

              Chargers saved...check

              Inquisition / Qunari alliance intact...check

              The Iron Bull happy since he is still in good standing with Qunari and still has The Chargers...check.

 

Apparently allowing the player to use the Horn to signal the Dreadnaught, a 2nd time, made too much sense...

[The Baconer]

Neither myself nor my characters advocate conversion to the Qun. But cooperation and coexistence might just go a ways towards getting the qunari to back off on the whole invasion thing for another hundred years or so.

 

How? The main reason for the alliance in the first place is to weaken the Qunari's main adversary in Tevinter, which is in turn the first step in rendering the North unable to resist when the Qunai make landfall.

[Raikas]

A Vashoth Inquisitor allying with the Qunari would lose all credability in Andrastian circles. It would kill the Inquisition and end the tolerance building period of cooperation between a kossith and the Chantry.

You know, if they'd done something with this in-game, that could have been solid stuff. It's a shame it's not in there.

[Former_Fiend]

How? The main reason for the alliance in the first place is to weaken the Qunari's main adversary in Tevinter, which is in turn the first step in rendering the North unable to resist when the Qunai make landfall.

 

I suppose it would be splitting hairs to argue that the motivation isn't necessarily "weakening" Tevinter as it is preventing them from growing more dangerous - to both the qunari and everyone else.

[dragonflight288]

The fact that the Qunari and ******* countries like Tevinter are saved by me saving the world is a price I can live with. Doesn't mean I need to go out of my way to do so. I'm also saving rapists, murderers and tax evaders too, does that mean I need to be pro- tax evasion?

 

You're also saving the tax collectors, so you may be pro-tax collector. lol. 

[The Baconer]

I suppose it would be splitting hairs to argue that the motivation isn't necessarily "weakening" Tevinter as it is preventing them from growing more dangerous - to both the qunari and everyone else.

 

Sure, and I'm sure it working out for the Qunaris' ulterior motive is just a fortuitous coincidence. Nevermind the fact that the Qunari themselves represent a danger to Thedas, and one that is even more powerful than Tevinter.

[Vilegrim]

Uh, the enemy's already at your borders as Mark of the Assassin makes VERY clear. You just decide whether you can use them or not.

I can, I need a threat to maintain my power, the Qunari are perfect..so burn on your little ship, your deaths ensure my power will continue to grow, after this darkspawn god wannabe falls. I will have the mages, the wardens and my puppet in val royeuax, as well as my own armies, who else can stand against the Qunari? As to the price..well we will get to that later *cue smirking behind arched fingers*