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[Super Drone]

You're also saving the tax collectors, so you may be pro-tax collector. lol. 

 

If I'd realized I was saving Tax collectors, I might have let Corypheus win.... 

[prosthetic soul]

Hmm....let's see....a really badass staff and more allies for the war against Cory or.....a bunch of really generically named lackies who can't sing worth **** and didn't even garner enough screen time to warrant sympathy points to begin with....SUCH A TOUGH CHOICE

[Netzachs]

Maybe I'm the only one who didn't do it for the right reason? I mean... I liked Krem and the mage that wasn't a mage using the staff that was really just a bow. Very well written character (Krem, not the mage). I also liked watching Krem and Them die. Made the story feel slightly more real. I mean, the whole "Haven just suffered huge casualties but... All the characters you got to know by name that weren't total jerks to you lived! The ones who died were just extras."

So I went with watching Krem die. I even smiled and said "Bye bye little guy! You do this for believability!" Cause you know, a war without personal losses and consequences for the protagonist would be way too Disney for me. Heck, I'm pretty sure the chargers would all match the 7 little dwarves if I had gotten to know them better.. but.. =D

*puts marshmallows on a stick to roast over dead disney character campfire (The vints used flame magic right?)* "I'll miss you little buddies!"

[Han Yolo]

Twas a tough choice indeed, I wouldn't even sacrifice my worn old socks for the qun. So my Inqi went out of character had a divine vision and let them burn. I am a terrible roleplayer.

[Big I]

Did I feel bad about the Chargers dying? Absolutely. Still went with the alliance because it's the right thing to do. The Inquisition gets more power, the qunari ally with foreigners for the first time in history, and you save the crew of the dreadnought.

 

The Chargers are mercenaries who are asked to risk their lives every day. They knew the risks.

[rpgfan321]

I saved the Chargers on instinct. I didn't really think about the Inquisition at that moment. 

[Rabbitonfire]

While It's sad to see the chargers go, the situation is bigger than them so I needed the Qunari more than a small company of mercenaries. 

[Above Good and Evil]

Why do people act like the Qunari will turn around and enslave everyone once Corypheus dies? Ask Varric about Hawke killing the Arishok and he'll say that they tossed the Arishock under a bus because they don't want to deal with another exalted march. The Qunari are strong, but they're not a zerg hivemind and do care about casualties: If they invaded they'd have to contend with Ferelden, Orlais and you know Tevinter will ally with the previous two if only to screw the Qunari which guarantees a massive amount of casualties on either side.

Also, I wouldn't trust Sten's account any more than Iron Bull's. Sure he says they'll invade and that the treaty is smoke and mirrors, but you have to admit that he's colored by his own way of being raised in the Qun. Ask a farmer or lute player and I doubt he'll say the same thing. Hell Dorian will ask this point blank to Bull about how the Qunari explain not taking over the world yet and Bull replies that the Antaam make crap up about how its all in the plan. How do you know Sten wasn't fed propaganda about how they're secretly planning to invade? To give an example, North Korea propaganda portrays them as unstoppable badasses who'll soon conquer South Korea and then the US with little effort and they shove this into their citizen's faces. One only needs to look at their records to see how unlikely this is.

This is similar to the Antivan Crows as well. They portray themselves as unstoppable assassins, but Zevran is waging a one-man war and winning with little problem. Just because a character says they're going to win against the entire world doesn't make it so. Hawke was touted in legend as a champion, but ultimately they're nothing more than a refugee who couldn't truly change anything.

[mrs_anomaly]

Hawke is more than a simple refugee. She couldn't control the world but she was still powerful. I burn the Qun. They are everything I stand against as a mage. Somehow not having this amazeballs Qun alliance doesn't really matter so I do what I simply prefer. If there were a way to maintain that alliance without losing my own people than I'd do it.

[The Baconer]

Why do people act like the Qunari will turn around and enslave everyone once Corypheus dies? Ask Varric about Hawke killing the Arishok and he'll say that they tossed the Arishock under a bus because they don't want to deal with another exalted march. The Qunari are strong, but they're not a zerg hivemind and do care about casualties: If they invaded they'd have to contend with Ferelden, Orlais and you know Tevinter will ally with the previous two if only to screw the Qunari which guarantees a massive amount of casualties on either side.

 

I don't think they will, but I do think they'll try.

 

 

Also, I wouldn't trust Sten's account any more than Iron Bull's. Sure he says they'll invade and that the treaty is smoke and mirrors, but you have to admit that he's colored by his own way of being raised in the Qun. Ask a farmer or lute player and I doubt he'll say the same thing.

 

When it comes to what the Antaam does, the opinion of a farmer or a lute player amounts to nothing. Especially in comparison to the individual who is now literally the supreme leader of Qunari's armies.

 

 

 Hell Dorian will ask this point blank to Bull about how the Qunari explain not taking over the world yet and Bull replies that the Antaam make crap up about how its all in the plan.

 

You mean the Priesthood. Much different implication.

[guntar74]

I saved the chargers on first go round. I looked at it like if I was in bulls shoes and it was my team over there would I let them die? No I'd go save them. Also I felt like if those "powerful" qunari ships can blow up a ship, but then its powerless against mage foot soldiers I wasn't missing much. I mean did they not have other defenses on the ship?

But I'm sure in my next play through I'll try the other option out anyways

[PrinceLionheart]

I choose the Qunari and it really wasn't a tough choice. The way I see it, Bull knew exactly what he was signing he and his men up for so I wasn't sympathetic to his sudden crisis of conscience. The world may be ending soon and I wasn't going to pull punches just because Bull wanted to give his buddies easier tasks.

[Ieldra]

Qun. Any character who hated them wouldn't take the mission. So if it comes down to the tactical objective or the men, I choose the objective.

I disagree. I do hate them, but felt I couldn't turn out an offer to work together against Corypheus. When the price was small - just a relatively low-risk attack on those Venatori - I was prepared to go through with it, but losing the Chargers wasn't worth it.

[jtav]

I disagree. I do hate them, but felt I couldn't turn out an offer to work together against Corypheus. When the price was small - just a relatively low-risk attack on those Venatori - I was prepared to go through with it, but losing the Chargers wasn't worth it.

If the Chargers were civilians I might agree. But I was in commander mode. It was resource one vs. resource two. I picked the bigger one.

[Gaesesagai]

I chose to save the charges the first time for one simple reason. Which is also one of the strongest felt reasons I've had in a game. I don't trust and don't want anywhere near me the idiotic qunites. IB is irritating enough with his "nah I'm not trying to convert anyone... but everything would be better under the qun... don't you get it?" attitude. Allow him to sink even further into ignorance and lack of individuality and I wouldn't trust him with watering flowers in Skyhold's courtyard.

So I knew from the second I got that choice the first time, that if I can stop the alliance with the drones, I will. And so I did. Each time I get there

[Willowhugger]

I feel bad for choosing the chargers because the Inquisition was the first chance the Qunari gave outsiders to prove themselves worthy of respect.

And we blew it.

[Gaesesagai]

Reading back some of the comments... I can't help but shake my head.

The Qunari are the Borg of the DA Universe. Thing is, there are some "misunderstood geniuses" amongst the trekkies who would happily be assimilated by the Borg and become mindless drones, just like there are "misunderstood geniuses" amongst the DA fans (dragonites? lol) that would happily be assimilated by the Qun and become mindless drones. There are also the brilliant people who fail to comprehend what the Qun is (as it has been described in minute detail so far by the game lore) and come up with wonderful comments about alliances and whatnot, comments that fail completely to hit the "reality" of it (the in game reality I mean, nevermind the real world implication of supporting the monstrous ideas of the Qun as viable in real life).

So yeah, fascinating read.

[Willowhugger]

Reading back some of the comments... I can't help but shake my head.

The Qunari are the Borg of the DA Universe. Thing is, there are some "misunderstood geniuses" amongst the trekkies who would happily be assimilated by the Borg and become mindless drones, just like there are "misunderstood geniuses" amongst the DA fans (dragonites? lol) that would happily be assimilated by the Qun and become mindless drones. There are also the brilliant people who fail to comprehend what the Qun is (as it has been described in minute detail so far by the game lore) and come up with wonderful comments about alliances and whatnot, comments that fail completely to hit the "reality" of it (the in game reality I mean, nevermind the real world implication of supporting the monstrous ideas of the Qun as viable in real life).

So yeah, fascinating read.

I don't think they are.

Iron Bull kind of says that the Qun is more or less "just" a militant theocracy.

Which while bad isn't some kind of awesome mind-controlling hive mind.

It's about as bad as living in communist Russia.

 

Bakers still bake.

[Gaesesagai]

I don't think they are.

Iron Bull kind of says that the Qun is more or less "just" a militant theocracy.

Which while bad isn't some kind of awesome mind-controlling hive mind.

It's about as bad as living in communist Russia.

 

Bakers still bake.

 

You assume you can trust a word that comes out of IB's mouth. I don't think you can.

More specifically, when deciding how trustworthy IB is, keep in mind that he is ridiculously sanitized to the point of retconing the qunari, just to make a "likeable" character that fits a certain personality and character traits.

I see it as a contradiction when he says he went to the re-educators but then he presents himself as a thinking individual. It just doesn't click well. And makes me very VERY suspicious of his real motives to be in the Inquisition and about the things he tells you, or the "role" he plays.

I know taking into account what I said about his char being sanitized is blatantly meta, but I think they wanted their cake and eat it too with IB. And they succeeded up to a point. But not 100%.

[Ianamus]

I liked the concept of the decision, having to choose between a Qunari alliance or the chargers, but it was framed so badly that it was really difficult to take the mission seriously.

 

"If these six people don't die alone on the hill right next to us the Qunari dreadnaught will explode and the alliance is over"

 

Umm... ok?

[Willowhugger]

You assume you can trust a word that comes out of IB's mouth. I don't think you can.

More specifically, when deciding how trustworthy IB is, keep in mind that he is ridiculously sanitized to the point of retconing the qunari, just to make a "likeable" character that fits a certain personality and character traits.

I see it as a contradiction when he says he went to the re-educators but then he presents himself as a thinking individual. It just doesn't click well. And makes me very VERY suspicious of his real motives to be in the Inquisition and about the things he tells you, or the "role" he plays.

I know taking into account what I said about his char being sanitized is blatantly meta, but I think they wanted their cake and eat it too with IB. And they succeeded up to a point. But not 100%.

 

I don't think the Qunari are all that sanitized since our first interaction with them is Sten, who is shown to be an honorable man with a dry sense of humor and talks about things like cookies, flowers, and how much he loves dogs. He also mentions the Qunari have bards the same way all cultures do and their culture isn't easily described like most cultures.

 

You can't start with Thrall and Worf then start talking about one-dimensional orcs and Klingons.

[FluffyKitties]

I chose the Qunari over the chargers.

 

Or rather, I should say I chose to stick to the plan we agreed upon beforehand.  Saving the chargers would mean backing out and basically backstabbing the entire dreadnaught crew; even if I don't particularly care for the Qun philosophy, it's a real scumbag move.

[Gaesesagai]

I don't think the Qunari are all that sanitized since our first interaction with them is Sten, who is shown to be an honorable man with a dry sense of humor and talks about things like cookies, flowers, and how much he loves dogs. He also mentions the Qunari have bards the same way all cultures do and their culture isn't easily described like most cultures.

 

You can't start with Thrall and Worf then start talking about one-dimensional orcs and Klingons.

 

I said IB is sanitized not all the qunari. Though they did receive some fluff as well in DAI.

Also you paint such a sweet picture for Sten. Need I remind you how when waking up without his sword his frail indoctrinated mind went into hysterycal insane mode and murdered the family who had saved him? That's the kind of people you want around you?

[Willowhugger]

I chose the Qunari over the chargers.

 

Or rather, I should say I chose to stick to the plan we agreed upon beforehand.  Saving the chargers would mean backing out and basically backstabbing the entire dreadnaught crew; even if I don't particularly care for the Qun philosophy, it's a real scumbag move.

 

It was a bad plan from the beginning.

 

The whole choice amounted to. "Do I want more of my guys to die or more of yours."

In real military, if a French and American commander are given choices of losing their faces, I can't blame a French one for retreating if its equal casualties.

[Willowhugger]

I said IB is sanitized not all the qunari. Though they did receive some fluff as well in DAI.

Also you paint such a sweet picture for Sten. Need I remind you how when waking up without his sword his frail indoctrinated mind went into hysterycal insane mode and murdered the family who had saved him? That's the kind of people you want around you?

 

I dunno, I had pretty good sympathy for freak-outs by people suffering shell-shock.

 

Violent episodes are not PTSD as some people confuse the two (which is terrible as it hurts those who suffer the latter) but they are a documented phenomenon.

 

I think the Qunari way is crap and they should be stopped.

 

But I don't think of them as inherently worse than, say, Tevinter.

Which is also crap.

And both are only slightly worse than Orlais.