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[Gaesesagai]

I dunno, I had pretty good sympathy for freak-outs by people suffering shell-shock.

 

Violent episodes are not PTSD as some people confuse the two (which is terrible as it hurts those who suffer the latter) but they are a documented phenomenon.

 

I think the Qunari way is crap and they should be stopped.

 

But I don't think of them as inherently worse than, say, Tevinter.

Which is also crap.

And both are only slightly worse than Orlais.

 

I like you specified that difference

As for Sten's episode... well yes, what you say is reasonable. I would add though, that there are various degrees of what constitutes a justifiable reaction vs. an insane one. If someone comes from behind you at a bus stop, and asks you the time, and you get startled, I will accept that even slapping that person is justifiable. But if you take out your ak-47 (you keep it on you just in case lol) and kill the guy... then no. Your reaction is well beyond reasonable. Same with Sten. Wakes up, no sword. Bu-hu. Punching the family? Eh, ok... Beating them senseless? Ugh... fine, give him some time in prison to cool off or whatever punishement is appropriate and have him on his way back home. MURDER the entire family? Sorry, but no. That's not justifiable or excusable. Sure, it can be explained. But explaining murder and justifying it are two very distinct things.

[leadintea]

If I'm romancing IB, I save the Chargers, if not, the dreadnought, simply because it seems like IB needs a lot of guidance which he'll either get from me, when romancing him, or the Qunari, if not.

[Antergaton]

I originally chose to save them as I thought it best for Bull, playing a second time I changed to saving the Qunari, while yes it's sad the people died. Bull is reminded he is Qun first and seems stronger for it. Going with Qunari every time now me thinks.

[Willowhugger]

I like you specified that difference

As for Sten's episode... well yes, what you say is reasonable. I would add though, that there are various degrees of what constitutes a justifiable reaction vs. an insane one. If someone comes from behind you at a bus stop, and asks you the time, and you get startled, I will accept that even slapping that person is justifiable. But if you take out your ak-47 (you keep it on you just in case lol) and kill the guy... then no. Your reaction is well beyond reasonable. Same with Sten. Wakes up, no sword. Bu-hu. Punching the family? Eh, ok... Beating them senseless? Ugh... fine, give him some time in prison to cool off or whatever punishement is appropriate and have him on his way back home. MURDER the entire family? Sorry, but no. That's not justifiable or excusable. Sure, it can be explained. But explaining murder and justifying it are two very distinct things.

 

I think the biggest point to Sten's credit is he agrees with you.

 

Sten joins your group to die, not because he's attempting to atone. He just is going to die fighting what is as close to pure evil as exists. You have to get him to forgive himself to return and even then he's changed by the experience.

 

As he says to the Andrastrian spirit. "Do you not regret letting the people of Thedas see you as a monster?"

"I regret it every moment of every single day."

 

I also try and remember said freak out happened after all of his group died around him, he'd suffered injuries, and he just realized he was now banished forever. It doesn't justify what he did but I think his actions show there's still a person worthy of life inside.

 

It's probably the biggest question about Qunari-Mainlander war.

It's also terrible as Sten is probably the guy who arranged for the Inquisition alliance.

[Lord_Caledore]

I preserved the alliance, because that was our mission, and I wasn't going to get cold feet at the last second. I really liked the Chargers, but they are mercenaries - their job is to fight, and the entails risking death. If the Chargers couldn't do their jobs and hold that hill - it's sad, but it's the risk they take as mercenaries. In the end, having the Qunari fleet harassing the Venatori and providing intelligence was more valuable to the Inquisition's goals.

I don't see how the alliance really benefits the Qunari beyond their shared interest in stopping the Venatori. If their primary goal is to invade the rest of Thedas, they would be better served sitting out the conflict with the Venatori and preserving their strength. The Ben-Hassarath would operate and gain intelligence either way.

[Willowhugger]

I preserved the alliance, because that was our mission, and I wasn't going to get cold feet at the last second. I really liked the Chargers, but they are mercenaries - their job is to fight, and the entails risking death. If the Chargers couldn't do their jobs and hold that hill - it's sad, but it's the risk they take as mercenaries. In the end, having the Qunari fleet harassing the Venatori and providing intelligence was more valuable to the Inquisition's goals.

I don't see how the alliance really benefits the Qunari beyond their shared interest in stopping the Venatori. If their primary goal is to invade the rest of Thedas, they would be better served sitting out the conflict with the Venatori and preserving their strength. The Ben-Hassarath would operate and gain intelligence either way.

Of course, they might think Corypheus could win.

[Lord_Caledore]

Of course, they might think Corypheus could win.

 

And I think they do, which is why they propose an alliance in the first place. I don't trust the Qunari in many ways, but I do think their sole motivation for the alliance was to stop Corypheus and the Venatori - not to gain some sort of advantage in a future invasion.

[br003]

Saved the Chargers, too bad Dalish wasn't romanceable.

[thesuperdarkone2]

If you care about Bull, saving the Chargers seems to be the better choice. This is based on the tarot cards that Bull gets with your choice. If you save the Dreadnought, his tarot card changes to 10 of Swords which generally means someone has reached rock bottom which makes sense since he just lost his family and believes they died hating him. It's no wonder he becomes emotionless and decides to go back to being Hisraad since he has lost everything from his former life. In fact, he becomes way colder to the Inquisitor when romanced if the chargers die. On the other hand, if the chargers are saved, his card changes to wheel of fortune which generally means that someone's life starts to change for the better. Given that Bull is only afraid due to what the Qunari said about Tal-vashoth, he seems to just try to find a way to cope with being exiled. However, he generally seems happier if the chargers are saved. Plus, practically all companions comfort Bull and say saving the Chargers were the right choice.

[crimzontearz]

Let it burn


And I would have GLADLY killed the goddamn elf too

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Gotta love these folks who do not trust Qunari but have no problem letting one of their spies into the Inquisition. xD

 

 

I like the Qunari and still did not recruit 'Bull.

[crimzontearz]

Gotta love these folks who do not trust Qunari but have no problem letting one of their spies into the Inquisition. xD

of everyone....VIVIENNE trusts him

[teh DRUMPf!!]

If you save the Dreadnought, his tarot card changes to 10 of Swords

 

Doesn't look like 10 of Swords to me.

 

And they are carrying flags, not swords, of which I counted well over 10.

 

If we're going to consider those to be the same as any old long and pointy things, one could just as easily claim that they symbolize the Wand suit instead (10 of Wands would actually be a very apt comparison, considering).

[Big I]

The Chargers die for the good of the mission. They knew the risks.

[Kinsz]

Only way i'd ally with Qunari is if i could get the Arishok from DA 2 as a companion since thats not possible they die.

[Hazegurl]

I think my canon is to let it burn from now on, now that I know I can mitigate the damage and spy on the Qunari in the South anyway.

[Caddius]

I save the chargers, it was the Qunari's idiotic plan that got their people killed. If they can't plan better than that they don't deserve to be allies.

I've heard some people claim that the Qunari planned it that way, as a test of Iron Bull's loyalty.

Still an idiotic way of testing a single Ben-Hassrath agent's loyalty, risking an entire dreadnought.

I saved the Chargers the first time, romancing Bull.

I've been avoiding the mission on subsequent playthroughs. I honestly don't know which choice I'll make.

[The Ascendant]

My Mage Trevelyan saved the Chargers while my Warrior Trevelyan saved the dreadnought. 

[Akkos]

I let Krem and his crews die, to save my Qunari alliance with the Inquisition. It works for the best that way.

 

It's not an evil choice either way. Everything to benefit my Inquisition's matters.

[Sifr]

Saved the Chargers, because I think in the end, Bull can deal with becoming Tal-Vashoth more than he can deal with losing the Chargers.

 

The Chargers are there for him if he's exiled, offering him friendship and support as they always have done and he's built many lasting friendship with them. It doesn't seem right to throw them to the wolves simply to save the Qunari, who are so wiling to throw away their own people's lives if disobey one order, if it suits the mission or they aren't considered as valuable an asset?

 

Sure, most militaries will occasionally ask that people lay down their lives in service to the mission, but I doubt that such decisions are ever treated as casually and with such callous disregard for life as the Qunari seem to make it. As we saw in DA2, the Arishok intentionally sacrificed those guarding the "gaatlok" as part of a ploy to lure out the thief, despite having other options that didn't involve the loss of life of those under his command? Indeed, it gets worse when you realise that his plan also accidentally lead to the death of an entire district, which he doesn't seem to care about in the slightest?

 

Plus there's the matter of trust. While I find the Qunari and their philosophy fascinating (even if some of their practices are abhorrent), I simply don't trust them enough to entreat to an alliance with the Inquisition. After all, these are people who freely admit that they have never had any intention of honouring the peace treaty they signed and consider the cessation of hostilities merely a prolonged ceasefire for the moment, until they are properly ready to invade. Why should their alliance with the Inquisition be any different, given how even a basalit-an is technicaly just one step above basra vashedan in the Qunari's eyes?

 

[Cmpunker13]

Fun thing is that, if the Chargers weren't so incompetent, all the inquisitors would get the alliance with the Qun.

[Above Good and Evil]

Saved the Chargers, because I think in the end, Bull can deal with becoming Tal-Vashoth more than he can deal with losing the Chargers.

 

The Chargers are there for him if he's exiled, offering him friendship and support as they always have done and he's built many lasting friendship with them. It doesn't seem right to throw them to the wolves simply to save the Qunari, who are so wiling to throw away their own people's lives if disobey one order, if it suits the mission or they aren't considered as valuable an asset?

 

Sure, most militaries will occasionally ask that people lay down their lives in service to the mission, but I doubt that such decisions are ever treated as casually and with such callous disregard for life as the Qunari seem to make it. As we saw in DA2, the Arishok intentionally sacrificed those guarding the "gaatlok" as part of a ploy to lure out the thief, despite having other options that didn't involve the loss of life of those under his command? Indeed, it gets worse when you realise that his plan also accidentally lead to the death of an entire district, which he doesn't seem to care about in the slightest?

 

Plus there's the matter of trust. While I find the Qunari and their philosophy fascinating (even if some of their practices are abhorrent), I simply don't trust them enough to entreat to an alliance with the Inquisition. After all, these are people who freely admit that they have never had any intention of honouring the peace treaty they signed and consider the cessation of hostilities merely a prolonged ceasefire for the moment, until they are properly ready to invade. Why should their alliance with the Inquisition be any different, given how even a basalit-an is technicaly just one step above basra vashedan in the Qunari's eyes?

 

It depends on how you view it - My Inquisitor thought the Inquisition's job was to stop Corypheus and then helping to rebuild, no more no less. Once that's done the Inquisition is going to be disbanded and that's that so to me it doesn't really MATTER if the truce lasts; I just need it to last till Cory is dead, which it likely will because the Qunari hate him way more than they hate us. Also, at this point I think the 'Qunari are going to invade when they feel like it' dogma spouted by Sten is just tough talk and little else. Its not like the Qunari want to admit they're losing or aren't going to take over the world so they just spout platitudes about how the rest of Thedas is gonna pay soon....just not now.