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[Warden Majere]

Speaking of Wardens. There is another intelligent magister-like Darkspawn running around, and the Wardens of Wieshaapt have shut their gates to the outside world, cutting themselves off from the outside world.... Anyone else suspect the Architect's magic at work? If he is a magister like Cory, then he is most certainly not dead.

[Willowhugger]

The Architect never struck me as evil. More like orange/blue morality as he doesn't understand anything about anything so does things without accounting for consequences. 

 

Since the Awakening is already out of the bottle I think having him as an ally, educating him, and by proxy educating the Awakened darkspawn is less likely to end in failure than killing him and allowing the Awakened darkspawn to figure it out on their own - except with a grudge against the Wardens for killing the Architect.

 

There's two sides to the Architect.

 

1. Giving the Darkspawn free-will means they no longer have to worry about being mindlessly hateful to normal people.

 

2. Giving Darkspawn free-will means they will now no longer require a Blight to want to kill normal people and normal people do quite a good job of murdering people on their own.

[raging_monkey]

Its in the makers hands....

[Warden Majere]

I don't see the Architect as being good or evil. He does what he feels is necessary to further his own goals, such as bleeding a few dozen Wardens. Maybe he needed the Wardens for something else, which might not be malicious. This is a little off topic, but I thought it worth mentioning.

Unless..... His possibly non-malicious intentions involve some sort of magic! Then this wasn't off topic after all!!

[raging_monkey]

He is simply the architect neither good nor evil

[Warden Majere]

So back on topic Has it been confirmed through Lore what spirits influence certain schools of magic? If not, what are your guys' thoughts? If so, please share

[raging_monkey]

Closet to whats confirmed the broad spirit/healing/creation/necromancy schools and they are just tools at best and if you count the seekers "training"

The only spirit "type" that seems to influence any schools aside from abominations is faith

[Warden Majere]

I thought that Solas mentioned that mages draw on spirits to power their spells. I'm probably mistaken though. It is an interesting thought however. We know for a fact that spells shape forces of nature by drawing power from the Fade. We also learned that Templars counteract this by using their strong connection to reality. Seekers gain their abilities by temporarily becoming Tranquil, and then connecting with a spirit of Faith.

I lost where I was going with that.... I was going somewhere with it though, I promise

[raging_monkey]

I got it no worries
I remembering solas saying that

Ok i reviewed your idea and jumped through a few of my notes(yeah i take lore notes... never use em though unless on magic)

Now if spirits do power/amp spells the best example we have is spirits of will or rather wisps(since they are easier to control) solas is "correct" in the literal sense

Templars as cole puts it distort or "box in" the natrual flow of mana that shapes reality and temporarly make a mage a mundane(personally i find it gross to do so). Seekers do this on a much larger scale(comparativly) they have the power as cass claims to cause the lyrium in temps and mages to burn them from the inside out, immunity to mind control and implied possesion aswell base templar powers. Somehow a spirit grants these during seeker "training" so by technicality they are mages(if severly nuetered and restricted).

All in all ive come to the conclusion that spirits dont just amp/grant magic... but that THEY ARE MAGIC

[Warden Majere]

Yay, I sort of new what I was talking about! I usually take notes on the Lore as well, but usually on the history and mythology. So, props to you there bro. It makes sense that it would come from wisps and wraith, as they are the most basic form of the Fade. Calling Seekers neutered mages is extremely interesting. It shows that magical talents aren't restricted to genetics, they can indeed be learned. Does this mean that they can be unlearned?

Seekers gain magic by having their open minds touch a resident of the Fade, raw magic. Templars gain their magic blocking by interacting with lyrium, the raw magic in Thedas. So what if Dwarves discovered this much earlier than humans, and found a way to permanently block magic for their whole race. Or, it's possible that it's simply due to centuries of lyrium exposure. My theory is much cooler It also helps lend to Sandal's story.

[raging_monkey]

Yay, I sort of new what I was talking about! I usually take notes on the Lore as well, but usually on the history and mythology. So, props to you there bro. It makes sense that it would come from wisps and wraith, as they are the most basic form of the Fade. Calling Seekers neutered mages is extremely interesting. It shows that magical talents aren't restricted to genetics, they can indeed be learned. Does this mean that they can be unlearned?
Seekers gain magic by having their open minds touch a resident of the Fade, raw magic. Templars gain their magic blocking by interacting with lyrium, the raw magic in Thedas. So what if Dwarves discovered this much earlier than humans, and found a way to permanently block magic for their whole race. Or, it's possible that it's simply due to centuries of lyrium exposure. My theory is much cooler It also helps lend to Sandal's story.

*tips hat in approval * thank you

Yeah it does open new ground if magic can be "manufactured" into non-magi for X reason.

On the dwarves i have a theory, bear with me its "patchy"

The dwarves of the primevil thaig did have magic but after dabbling in red lyrium that came from a tainted creature due to a weakened veil(since the taint is alien to the fade/thedas and possibly fade originish), the dwarves mutated and venerated the RL but something happened, war or conflicting ideologies. The remaining dwarves left and developed the current traditions but being acutly separated from RL caused them to lose their fade connection and magic. Today they revere the stone... possibly a giant lyrium vien thats as bianca claims is truly alive... like the lambant from gears of war but less malignant

[Warden Majere]

You've tolerated all of my patchy theories, the least that I can do is listen to yours I think that it's possible. With the way that they have gone with the elven and Tevinter Lore, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm guessing that they are going to delve into Dwarven history and beliefs soon. While I prefer elves, the Dwarven history is so much more intriguing.

[raging_monkey]

Very the dwarves are a enigma. Sure we know the basics of their social structure but not their biology(not accounting their fertilty rate thats enviroment i think) or why they are separated from the fade. Theres only been 3 magi of dwarven descent( ones mentioned by dagna, herself, and mindredl from the IDW comics) all been technically runechnaters or a arcanists

[Warden Majere]

We have a lot of holes when it comes to their history. I'm also a sucker for good architecture.

[raging_monkey]

Who isnt lol

[Warden Majere]

Fair enough. Doesn't Sandal fit into that Dwarven magi group?

[raging_monkey]

Idk he's something... technically he's a savant skilled in enchantments and magical "booms"... but its possible he has some magical skill due to the rumors of him being a sire of a elfXdwarf

[Warden Majere]

I think it more likely that he comes from a primeval Dwarven clan that didn't flee the RL, and thus, weren't separated from the Fade.

[raging_monkey]

Bodahn did find him in the deep roads

[Warden Majere]

Exactly! I haven't heard the half elf theory before.

[raging_monkey]

Well officially (ingame rumors) he's a aeducan bastard child of x member of the family with a elf and since he's theorectically casteless and of surface orgin deep roads he went.

Though since elf genes are "adaptive" he shouldve been in the clear but you know dwarves always traditional haha

[Warden Majere]

"in-game rumor"? Was it just random banter? Codex? I don't remember any mention of this.

[Ieldra]

I don't believe in possession. Even if joining yourself to a spirit gives you immeasurable power. I believe that if you need a spirit to gain that power, then maybe you're better off in a circle. Working with spirits to learn ancient magics, and thus increasing your power, is acceptable. But taking the shortcut, and simply letting the spirit in rather than mastering the knowledge it offers, is despicable. I say this, not out of love for the Chantry, but for love of self discipline. 

I agree, in principle. In my main Inquisitor's character sheet, I made her say "If you need props to control the state of your mind, you have no business being a mage. I will not be dependent". Having said that, there may be powers you simply can't get without joining with a spirit, regardless of how good you are as a mage. Also, the same Inquisitor said "That a path is short or long has no bearing on its virtuousness."