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[MaxRage]

I still constantly see posts and things on youtube ect, that people still think you can't save both Quarian's and the Geth in the same playthrough, and state it as fact. Why is this? Do so few people know that it can be done, that these people that believe it can't be, are never corrected to the contrary?

 

Through a complete flook I met all of the requirements in my playthroughs, saved both Geth/Quarians, then after looking it up, found people believed you could not save both.

 

For those that still or might believe it can't be done:

How To - http://www.gamefaqs....th-and-quarians

 

Quarians/Geth United

[justafan]

They might not own ME2 or the Genesis comic.  Unless you own ME2 and played it a certain way, or forked over the cash to get caught up with the genesis comic, there is no way to make peace in the vanilla game.

[Excella Gionne]

Just use game save editor. :-) Outside of that, it's impossible to achieve peace. 

[MaxRage]

Just use game save editor. :-) Outside of that, it's impossible to achieve peace. 

 

I never used a game save editor, which proves its not impossible. I played every Mass Effect game, and every dlc, and saved both when the choice came up. You must sacrfice Legion, but honestly, does he really die? As he becomes one with the whole of the Geth.

 

PS, Genesis DLC was one of my favourite Mass Effect DLC's ever.

[CaIIisto]

I think Excella means that it's impossible if you haven't played ME2 or Genesis 2

[MaxRage]

I think Excella means that it's impossible if you haven't played ME2 or Genesis 2

 

Ah I see My bad.

[Cobwebmaster]

A ruthless Shepard would save the Geth in preference to the Quarians as the geth are better all round  fighters, particularly as a ground force. Having said that it's weird that they never got used in the Final earth battle. Whatever, I think I got the option to save both as a result of decisions my Shepard made in ME2, when I rewrote the heretics after waking up Legion

[Valmar]

The strange thing is that you actually posted a link describing all the hidden decisions and crap you have to make in the second and third game for this to be an option yet you're still confused as to why people missed it. Essentially the same thing only formatted better, imo: https://gaming.stack...nd-the-quarians

 

The requirements are actually reasonably high and specific. For which I give them credit for, btw. Looking at the requirements though is it really a surprise that not everyone realizes you can save both? Not everyone are enormous fans who spend time watching youtube videos or chatting on the fan forum. Some people just pick up and play the game. It was already mentioned above that those who don't use genesis 2 or import from ME2 are automatically locked out of this option. There is a LOT riding against this choice. Frankly I'm surprised there's as many people who choose it as there is.

 

http://i.kinja-img.c...sg7gatq8jpg.jpg

[MaxRage]

The strange thing is that you actually posted a link describing all the hidden decisions and crap you have to make in the second and third game for this to be an option yet you're still confused as to why people missed it. Essentially the same thing only formatted better, imo: https://gaming.stack...nd-the-quarians

 

The requirements are actually reasonably high and specific. For which I give them credit for, btw. Looking at the requirements though is it really a surprise that not everyone realizes you can save both? Not everyone are enormous fans who spend time watching youtube videos or chatting on the fan forum. Some people just pick up and play the game. It was already mentioned above that those who don't use genesis 2 or import from ME2 are automatically locked out of this option. There is a LOT riding against this choice. Frankly I'm surprised there's as many people who choose it as there is.

 

http://i.kinja-img.c...sg7gatq8jpg.jpg

 

Yeah but as I stated earlier, I didn't follow any guides to meet the criteria, it was by chance. At the time (Just after release) I was actually looking for a video to rewatch the scene again as I enjoyed it so much. But in all related videos (The other altertive choices), and noticed many people stating it wasn't possible to save both. The last time I saw such statements was tonight on youtube... I just find it bizzare that some people still haven't realised, years after release.

[MaxRage]

The strange thing is that you actually posted a link describing all the hidden decisions and crap you have to make in the second and third game for this to be an option yet you're still confused as to why people missed it. Essentially the same thing only formatted better, imo: https://gaming.stack...nd-the-quarians

 

The requirements are actually reasonably high and specific. For which I give them credit for, btw. Looking at the requirements though is it really a surprise that not everyone realizes you can save both? Not everyone are enormous fans who spend time watching youtube videos or chatting on the fan forum. Some people just pick up and play the game. It was already mentioned above that those who don't use genesis 2 or import from ME2 are automatically locked out of this option. There is a LOT riding against this choice. Frankly I'm surprised there's as many people who choose it as there is.

 

http://i.kinja-img.c...sg7gatq8jpg.jpg

 

Cheers for the replies guys Was just curious. And nice statistics chart Valmar

[ImaginaryMatter]

The strange thing is that you actually posted a link describing all the hidden decisions and crap you have to make in the second and third game for this to be an option yet you're still confused as to why people missed it. Essentially the same thing only formatted better, imo: https://gaming.stack...nd-the-quarians

 

The requirements are actually reasonably high and specific. For which I give them credit for, btw. Looking at the requirements though is it really a surprise that not everyone realizes you can save both? Not everyone are enormous fans who spend time watching youtube videos or chatting on the fan forum. Some people just pick up and play the game. It was already mentioned above that those who don't use genesis 2 or import from ME2 are automatically locked out of this option. There is a LOT riding against this choice. Frankly I'm surprised there's as many people who choose it as there is.

 

http://i.kinja-img.c...sg7gatq8jpg.jpg

 

That is true. But if peace isn't available you still have the persuasion options (unhighlighted) telling the player they can do better.

[Vazgen]

That is true. But if peace isn't available you still have the persuasion options (unhighlighted) telling the player they can do better.

You don't on non-import runs. Don't know about imports with wrong decisions

[Kurt M.]

http://i.kinja-img.c...sg7gatq8jpg.jpg

 

Lol, I wonder how recent is that pic...

 

Poor Kaidan...he's way more interesting than Ashley (and more useful....at least he doesn't have one less power due to that Marksman bug. Plus Reave + Overload? Sign me up, please).

 

Besides, only 4% played Insanity? What? But it's easy!

[Iakus]

Plus choosing Destroy (which is by far the most popular ending) renders saving the geth pointless anyway.  Unless you're hurting for War Assets.

[Valmar]

Yeah but as I stated earlier, I didn't follow any guides to meet the criteria, it was by chance. At the time (Just after release) I was actually looking for a video to rewatch the scene again as I enjoyed it so much. But in all related videos (The other altertive choices), and noticed many people stating it wasn't possible to save both. The last time I saw such statements was tonight on youtube... I just find it bizzare that some people still haven't realised, years after release.

 

I didn't mean you should know because you followed guides. I didn't follow any guides either but, by chance, was always able to save both. I was merely pointing out that you've clearly READ a guide since you linked it so you should know the hidden prerequisites needed to get that ending. With that context is it really that strange people don't realize you can save both?

 

I was lucky because I always destroy the heretics, exonerate Tali, resolved the loyalty conflict between Tali and Legion, do the side missions with Legion, save Korris and had finished all the other sidemissions or whatever in the game to have plenty of Rep.

 

Those who believe rewriting the heretics is the 'right' thing to do automatically lose 2 points. Those who didn't exonerate Tali lose 2. Those who didn't make Tali and Legion get along lose 1 point. Those who skip Legion's side mission in ME3 cannot get it. Those who didn't play ME2 or Genesis 2 cannot get it. Those without high enough rep cannot get it.

 

Like I said - there quite a bit riding against you being able to save both and is dependent on you having a somewhat specific playthrough full of specific choices. I'd agree its a bit odd for people on youtube comments not to realize it given that they're already on youtube and you'd think they'd notice the recommended videos on the side pointing to the corresponding 'both are saved' ending. Still, in a more generalize sense I don't find it surprising that people think you can't save both.

 

In a similar twist of fate before the Extended Cut a lot of people didn't realize Shepard could actually survive one of the endings. Hell, even after EC you still hear some people talk as if Shepard always dies. Don't even get me started on the people who think the reapers are just machines out to kill us. There seems to be a few misconceptions out there about Mass Effect. Lol.

 

 

Lol, I wonder how recent is that pic...

 

Poor Kaidan...he's way more interesting than Ashley (and more useful....at least he doesn't have one less power due to that Marksman bug. Plus Reave + Overload? Sign me up, please).

 

Besides, only 4% played Insanity? What? But it's easy!

 

Late March 2013, I believe. Definitely been a while. Lol.

 

I'm with you on that, I like Kaidan far more than Ashley. Though we definitely seem to be the minority on this one.

 

Insanity used to be hard. Then I played multiplayer and realized how easy it was.

 

 

Plus choosing Destroy (which is by far the most popular ending) renders saving the geth pointless anyway.

 

Is there actually any statistic that proves this to be the case or is it just an assumption? I've always been curious about the ending statistics. As in, the REAL statistics, official numbers.

[Swan Killer]

I never used a game save editor, which proves its not impossible. I played every Mass Effect game, and every dlc, and saved both when the choice came up. You must sacrfice Legion, but honestly, does he really die? As he becomes one with the whole of the Geth.

 

PS, Genesis DLC was one of my favourite Mass Effect DLC's ever.

 

But there's no "whole of the geth" if he uploads the code, that woul be the point

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Legion having to sacrifice itself is so contrived. This is a software upload. So Legion is uploading the "Reaper Code" directly from the dead reaper to the Geth and essentially acting as a router. "I must go to them." was for feelz. But then you get the double feelz in the end although not as bad anymore since the wording isn't as clear as it once was about synthetic life. It now states that "the beam will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted." but it doesn't say how bad. Instead of "you can destroy all synthetic life if you want, including the Geth." So those in the know who will chose destroy let the Quarians handle this part.

[Cknarf]

They're probably losers who don't own the trilogy. 

"Ima start with 3."  Said no one ever!

Wait...

[SilJeff]

The strange thing is that you actually posted a link describing all the hidden decisions and crap you have to make in the second and third game for this to be an option yet you're still confused as to why people missed it. Essentially the same thing only formatted better, imo: https://gaming.stack...nd-the-quarians

 

The requirements are actually reasonably high and specific. For which I give them credit for, btw. Looking at the requirements though is it really a surprise that not everyone realizes you can save both? Not everyone are enormous fans who spend time watching youtube videos or chatting on the fan forum. Some people just pick up and play the game. It was already mentioned above that those who don't use genesis 2 or import from ME2 are automatically locked out of this option. There is a LOT riding against this choice. Frankly I'm surprised there's as many people who choose it as there is.

 

http://i.kinja-img.c...sg7gatq8jpg.jpg

and people still act like choices don't matter at all in 3...

[Valmar]

and people still act like choices don't matter at all in 3...

 

Probably because they don't, for the most part. Off the top of my head this is really the only instance where your choices from ME2 matter to the extent that it noticeably effects the story in any meaningful way. Though, depending on what ending you prefer, saving the geth is later made irrelevant anyway since Bioware decided that the device planned and built specifically for targeting the reapers, that the geth themselves can help build, is now going to target all synthetic life instead.

[Iakus]

 

Is there actually any statistic that proves this to be the case or is it just an assumption? I've always been curious about the ending statistics. As in, the REAL statistics, official numbers.

Admittadly assumption.  But one I'm pretty confident about.

 

Bioware has never, to my knowledge, released statistics about which ending has been chosen.  But every survey I have seen, both here and other sites listed Destroy as the most popular ending.  In some cases, more than all the other endings combined.

[Valmar]

Admittadly assumption.  But one I'm pretty confident about.

 

Bioware has never, to my knowledge, released statistics about which ending has been chosen.  But every survey I have seen, both here and other sites listed Destroy as the most popular ending.  In some cases, more than all the other endings combined.

 

Unfortunate. Personally I prefer not to use these online polls, especially on this site, as a bases. Far too much bias, imo. Especially when the forum, at least originally, mostly attracted people who were upset and looking to vent their frustrations over the ending. Big shock if most of them voted for destroy, given that its generally the only ending they begrudgingly accept, while seething through the teeth the entire way. Hell even IT generally favors Destroy as being the only 'real' ending - saying the other two are Shepard giving into indoctrination.

 

If we were to take the online die-hard fanbase as the only foundation for judging this stuff I doubt the statistics they released would be what they are. Wrex is dead for over half of the players. Not even twenty percent play Femshep. Not even half of the players got the 'long term service' medal. Quite a few of the released statistics, imo, are surprising given what the people online say. I hear a ton of praise over Femshep online - turns out its just a loud and passionately vocal minority. The way I hear people go on about how awesome Wrex is you'd think the majority would have him, but they don't. The statistics, far as I know, are not biased and represent EVERYONE whos played the game (basically) and not only the very small minority who actively talk about it online. Remember this game has been played by MILLIONS.

 

Hence why I'm interested in what the real ending statistics are. Shame they never shared it. :/

[ImaginaryMatter]

You don't on non-import runs. Don't know about imports with wrong decisions

 

That's weird. I never did a non-import run.

 

I have done imported runs where I forgot to do something and the unhighlighted options appeared.

[Iakus]

Unfortunate. Personally I prefer not to use these online polls, especially on this site, as a bases. Far too much bias, imo. Especially when the forum, at least originally, mostly attracted people who were upset and looking to vent their frustrations over the ending. Big shock if most of them voted for destroy, given that its generally the only ending they begrudgingly accept, while seething through the teeth the entire way. Hell even IT generally favors Destroy as being the only 'real' ending - saying the other two are Shepard giving into indoctrination.

 

If we were to take the online die-hard fanbase as the only foundation for judging this stuff I doubt the statistics they released would be what they are. Wrex is dead for over half of the players. Not even twenty percent play Femshep. Not even half of the players got the 'long term service' medal. Quite a few of the released statistics, imo, are surprising given what the people online say. I hear a ton of praise over Femshep online - turns out its just a loud and passionately vocal minority. The way I hear people go on about how awesome Wrex is you'd think the majority would have him, but they don't. The statistics, far as I know, are not biased and represent EVERYONE whos played the game (basically) and not only the very small minority who actively talk about it online. Remember this game has been played by MILLIONS.

 

Hence why I'm interested in what the real ending statistics are. Shame they never shared it. :/

Well, given statistically half the players never finish a given game anyway, one could argue what's the big deal about endings at all.

 

But I think we know the answer to that 

[Han Shot First]

Plus choosing Destroy (which is by far the most popular ending) renders saving the geth pointless anyway.  Unless you're hurting for War Assets.

 

Having the destruction of the Geth tacked to Destroy was a poor design choice for that reason. It rendered much of what happened on Rannoch pointless. Also it's really just there to make Synthesis more appealing.