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[cindercatz]

I'm out of likes  

 

So, @Thane4Ever    and     @taglag

Honorary likes.  

Also agree with everybody about the odd sitting pose, especially in that outfit.. I cringe at that one too.

(and that's my last comment, moving on)

[Sully13]

  This has to be one of the most sexest Nit picking oreinted Threads I have ever seen.

1. the men all run, walk, act, and stand around like Dudley Do-Right, and no one says a thing other than and occasional comment, which is quickly ignored.

2. The Women walks, and run's like Marilyn Monroe who was Idolized by Millions, and every one is up in arms.

3. Every one here is so Prudish, I find it wonderful that they do make some differences in the female animations as opposed to the male. So many games have the Female walking around like some cow, because many games use the same animations for the female as they have for the male.

4. Why is it a weakness for a lady to act like a lady, and why must they be given degrading names when they do this, why is it they are weak because they don't walk tough, and act like John Wayne or Arnold Schwarzenegger.

5 . I do agree that the sitting, and slouchy animation behavior of the female is very off, but the running, and walking is fine.

6. I complain about a lot of things that trouble my game play, but this is not one of them. It is hard to believe that so many thread pages are wasted on this topic, when there are so many more truly needed complaints LOL ( I am laughing while typing this.) But I do think this is a very over kill subject.

kinda my point to.

[RINNZ]

Male animations depict walking like a buffed up strongly strong man and no one bats an eye.

Female animations depict walking like a "girly girl" and everyone loses their minds.

I'm just kidding, don't shoot me pls.

[Vylix]

Been asking myself that for a few years now OP.  I also think it's funny that my lady Inquisitor has that stupid strut in regular gameplay, but uses the male (read: default) animation for the cutscenes.  What's even the point of having two different walking styles at all?  

 

I'll never understand that.  

I just chock it up to my inquisitor being manly but attempting to try and act more feminine/girly because it would give her a better political image.

[dreamgazer]

Really? We're gonna start rolling with requests for a walk/run posture toggle?

[otis0310]

That's actually THE best solution. Like how they walk? Don't change it. Don't like how they walk? You can pick one out of three.

 

Sims 4 does this, one of the few things it did right in fact.

 

I always choose the girly walk in that one, meets my sims personality, which is that she looks goods and likes to show it off.

[RenFemShep]

Funny, I never noticed the Fem walk being weird ... I always play females first. But the men.., man my male human inquisitor walks runs like a sack of potatoes with a stick up his.... Depending on what armour he wears. Man plods along with no grace.

[prosthetic soul]

How about you go and ask some women what they want rather than putting bets on what the hypothetical militant feminist would do? A lot of women before launch were asking for a dress for that ball, and I'm pretty sure some would qualify as feminists even.

 

The thing is not everyone wants to have someone else's gender concepts forced on them. The second thing is that criticising the representation of femininity doesn't necessarily have to mean someone is against femininity. I would like to play a feminine hero, I think it would be cool, I don't think that has to go hand in hand with a hip swing that extreme.

I Think it's clear from this thread that some women have no freaking idea what it is they want.  I remember some BSNers complaining about the way their female walked during that cut scene in Haven, citing that it "looked too manly."  Now you people are over here complaining that the running animation looks too feminine.  This is the clear calling card of a militant feminist.  And when did I insinuate I wanted to force anyone else's gender concepts on them?  Ever?  You're putting words in my mouth here.  What all of YOU people are doing however is forcing some gender neutral bull**** that doesn't exist. 

[Nefla]

I Think it's clear from this thread that some women have no freaking idea what it is they want.  I remember some BSNers complaining about the way their female walked during that cut scene in Haven, citing that it "looked too manly."  Now you people are over here complaining that the running animation looks too feminine.  This is the clear calling card of a militant feminist.  And when did I insinuate I wanted to force anyone else's gender concepts on them?  Ever?  You're putting words in my mouth here.  What all of YOU people are doing however is forcing some gender neutral bull**** that doesn't exist. 

Or, you know...those are different people complaining about different things. Or perhaps it's just the lack of cinsistency that's jarring. People of the same gender are not a hive mind. I doubt anyone would be complaining if both male and female characters had a neutral, natural walk/run. No gorilla run for the men and no fish flop for the women. Take the time to look at people in real life (watch youtube videos of random people if you don't have the time to observe in your daily life) people walk nearly the same regardless of gender unless they're doing it on purpose (which if you notice real people on the street, that's a very small percentage).

[prosthetic soul]

Or, you know...those are different people complaining about different things. People of the same gender are not a hive mind. I doubt anyone would be complaining if both male and female characters had a neutral, natural walk/run. No gorilla run for the men and no fish flop for the women.

Then I wouldn't feel like my own character though.  I wouldn't feel like I was role playing as a MALE Inquisitor.  There'd be no differentiation between the male Inquisitor or the Female Inquisitor.  It's the little things that make the difference.  I would certainly complain about it too.  I happen to enjoy the strut personally.  It gives the female characters some more character.  I also love the woman's idle stance.  It's elegant.  Whereas the male's is in your face, simple.  Basic.   If they were both the same, it'd make rolling a different sex utterly pointless. 

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I actually like it, cause you know what, my Inquisitor is a damn "girly girl."

[Panda]

Then I wouldn't feel like my own character though.  I wouldn't feel like I was role playing as a MALE Inquisitor.  There'd be no differentiation between the male Inquisitor or the Female Inquisitor.  It's the little things that make the difference.  I would certainly complain about it too.  I happen to enjoy the strut personally.  It gives the female characters some more character.  I also love the woman's idle stance.  It's elegant.  Whereas the male's is in your face, simple.  Basic.   If they were both the same, it'd make rolling a different sex utterly pointless. 

 

The thing is that I want to do my character. Not be forced to have some character that is not mine handed to me. Neutral animation would give best chance to craft your own character, not a extreme hip sway for women and gorilla walk for men.. though I still think the male characters animation are fine. I roll different sex to make different characters and romance different LI's. As woman I look much more playing male in Inquisition than woman cause the animations, female animations aren't even close to any kind of woman I'd like to be and play.

[Nefla]

Then I wouldn't feel like my own character though.  I wouldn't feel like I was role playing as a MALE Inquisitor.  There'd be no differentiation between the male Inquisitor or the Female Inquisitor.  It's the little things that make the difference.  I would certainly complain about it too.  I happen to enjoy the strut personally.  It gives the female characters some more character.  I also love the woman's idle stance.  It's elegant.  Whereas the male's is in your face, simple.  Basic.   If they were both the same, it'd make rolling a different sex utterly pointless. 

See, the fact that it's so distinct is a problem. It fits some characters sure, but not others. It forces a big personality aspect that one might not want where if the animations were natural rather than forced, you could roleplay a sexy demure character through dialogue, actions, clothing choice, etc...or you could roleplay a no-nonsense warrior, or a careless scoundrel who's a bit of a slob, etc...You assume that you'd hate a non-sexualized female walk, but I don't think you would. Look at Lara's animations in the newest Tomb Raider, they're female but natural and not in your face or sexualized and she doesn't look like a linebacker that just got off a horse.

 

Also if having a natural, walk that isn't sexualized and forced makes a woman the same thing as a man, you probably have met very few women that you actually consider women in your life because almost no one walks like that (and when they do it's usually down a runway or in a club).

[GODzilla]

Seriously? When did you last see a female athlete run like that? Even Ronda Rousey doesn't look that stupid running. Bit sexist if you ask me. I mean maybe some of the girlier characters might run that way but the Warriors? I'd like to see this bit of Misogyny dealt with in future releases.

 

When I first saw how they animated it I wondered whether this is anywhere near realism or not. I found this:

 

http://www.biomotion.../BMLwalker.html

 

The wider the hips the bigger they sway from left to right. I guess it makes sense. The difference in anatomy might explain this. Or maybe not.

 

Oh and..."misogyny" means "hating women". Do you really believe Bioware hates women? Oh come on...this is getting a bit rediculous.

[Nefla]

They used to have the same animations as the male PC, but somewhere before DA2 a lot of people started complaining about the non-issue that women apparently have some unique species of walk that is completely different from how men walk and that this wasn't in the game.  This was used as evidence that the female PC was somehow secondary and an add-on.

 

Myself, I've never understood this issue.  People walk.  People sit.  There's nothing inherently feminine or masculine about either unless you're actively working on it.

It probably had to do with femshep using animations made for manshep (who was about twice her body size and 4 times her arm size) which looked really weird and awkward and definitely made it seem like animating the female version was an afterthought. She even ran with her arms and legs splayed out to accommodate arm and leg size that wasn't there (but was for manshep). It seems like the pendulum always swings to the extreme with BioWare. Don't like macho man animations? Here, have exotic dancer + 5 year old girl animations instead! Don't like tiny reused maps? Here, have giant empty maps with no story quests at all! Didn't like ME3's constant failure and grimdarkness? Here, have constant uninterrupted success with no loss or tragedy!

[Ryzaki]

It probably had to do with femshep using animations made for manshep (who was about twice her body size and 4 times her arm size) which looked really weird and awkward and definitely made it seem like animating the female version was an afterthought. She even ran with her arms and legs splayed out to accommodate arm and leg size that wasn't there (but was for manshep). It seems like the pendulum always swings to the extreme with BioWare. Don't like macho man animations? Here, have exotic dancer + 5 year old girl animations instead! Don't like tiny reused maps? Here, have giant empty maps with no story quests at all! Didn't like ME3's constant failure and grimdarkness? Here, have constant uninterrupted success with no loss or tragedy!

 

The sad thing is when BW didn't use those macho man animations in the damn first place.

 

It was a non issue that the animations were shared. Talk about making your own problem.

[Baerdface]

This thread is discriminating against women who like being feminine and are comfortable with themselves without wanting to prove that they can bench press as hard as any man just to dull their own insecurities and paranoia. Sickening discrimination.

[Nefla]

This thread is discriminating against women who like being feminine and are comfortable with themselves without wanting to prove that they can bench press as hard as any man just to dull their own insecurities and paranoia. Sickening discrimination.

Show me a woman who runs like femquisitor runs and I'll prostrate myself on the ground and beg forgiveness. You cannot for she doesn't exist.

[Baerdface]

Show me a woman who runs like femquisitor runs and I'll prostrate myself on the ground and beg forgiveness. You cannot for she doesn't exist.

 

Femquisitor does. She's a character. Written by Bioware. She's not a device to represent all women in existence, she represents herself. If you don't like how she runs you take it up to her personally. The artist is in charge of his art, nobody has the authority to give guidelines on how the characters should be created. Women do not have a say on how all female characters should be represented in art. Gays don't get to tell how all gays get to be represented in art. Same goes with men. If you want something to be created in a certain way, go get a college degree in graphic design and/or computer science and make your own game with whatever characters you like.

[Nefla]

Femquisitor does. She's a character. Written by Bioware. She's not a device to represent all women in existence, she represents herself. If you don't like how she runs you take it up to her personally.

I'm...not sure how to tell you this but you're old enough to know. She's not a real person and your father and I lied to you all these years about her being real because the joy on your face was so adorable.

 

But really, it's not physically possible to run like that.

[Baerdface]

I'm...not sure how to tell you this but you're old enough to know. She's not a real person and your father and I lied to you all these years about her being real because the joy on your face was so adorable.

 

But really, it's not physically possible to run like that.

 

 

 

I'll make sure to notify Bioware about your athletic shortcomings next time they make a game then.

 

Also, it's not physically possible to shoot fire out of your magic wand, too, are you gonna complain about that?

[Asakti]

Really? We're gonna start rolling with requests for a walk/run posture toggle?

 

It isn't impossible - the Saints Row games have a movement option (and lots of options) which is actually quite fun.  It isn't exactly the same - but shows that it isn't a ridiculous request.  And considering we've been discussing Bioware's over-exaggerated way of representing female movements for a few games now (DA2; ME) it isn't exactly out of left field.