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[MoonDrummer]

They're short, and their mothers dress 'em funny... /runaway

Low centre of gravity allows the dwarf masterrace's slaughter the armies of cloud gazeria.

Dwarven fashion is so superior to cloud gazer fashion it's like comparison Barcelona to Brighton.

[IanPolaris]

The moment you find out the demons have to be let in to turn a mages shows the abomination issue is baseless.

 

Exactly, but the abomination issue is the prime reason that templars (and the chantry gives) for why mages must be controlled. 

[leaguer of one]

Exactly, but the abomination issue is the prime reason that templars (and the chantry gives) for why mages must be controlled. 

Not just that alone. it's one of them. There's the miss use of magic and blood magic. We've seen more harm with that from mages then with them becoming abominations.

[leaguer of one]

Low centre of gravity allows the dwarf masterrace's slaughter the armies of cloud gazeria.

Dwarven fashion is so superior to cloud gazer fashion it's like comparison Barcelona to Brighton.

For  get that. Qunari have free sex, go shirt less, and are dragon people. Dwarves can go back into there whole.

[IanPolaris]

Not just that alone. it's one of them. There's the miss use of magic and blood magic. We've seen more harm with that from mages then with them becoming abominations.

 

Sorry but not really.  Sure blood magic is outlawed and railed against, but when the Templars/Chantry are asked by the common man why Mages must be "locked up", they ALWAYS rely on the abomination angle and the idea that all mages can potentially be destructive time bombs.  As you just admitted, that really isn't a valid reason which undercuts the entire Templar/Mage premise.

 

Blood magic is a choice.  According to the propaganda of the Templars/Chantry, possession wasn't (but we know it is).  Locking everyone away for the choices of a few is not a defensible position.

[robertthebard]

Sorry but not really.  Sure blood magic is outlawed and railed against, but when the Templars/Chantry are asked by the common man why Mages must be "locked up", they ALWAYS rely on the abomination angle and the idea that all mages can potentially be destructive time bombs.  As you just admitted, that really isn't a valid reason which undercuts the entire Templar/Mage premise.
 
Blood magic is a choice.  According to the propaganda of the Templars/Chantry, possession wasn't (but we know it is).  Locking everyone away for the choices of a few is not a defensible position.

In the way we see this system working, after centuries, I have to agree. However, initially, I think the intent was far different from what we ended up with. Through dialog with mages like Wynne, we find that the Circles weren't always about being prisons, but also served to protect the mages from the common man. I believe the Warden can call it a gilded cage. Considering that, after the war with Tevinter, the position that all mages are bad might be pretty common, this was absolutely necessary. As with any system, however, after centuries in existence, it can twist and morph into something it was not supposed to be, and that's what we end up being dropped into.

[IanPolaris]

In the way we see this system working, after centuries, I have to agree. However, initially, I think the intent was far different from what we ended up with. Through dialog with mages like Wynne, we find that the Circles weren't always about being prisons, but also served to protect the mages from the common man. I believe the Warden can call it a gilded cage. Considering that, after the war with Tevinter, the position that all mages are bad might be pretty common, this was absolutely necessary. As with any system, however, after centuries in existence, it can twist and morph into something it was not supposed to be, and that's what we end up being dropped into.

 

No the system was meant to be a prison from a start.  It was the only way the Templars could talk Ambrosia II from slaughtering all mages with a Divine March.

[robertthebard]

No the system was meant to be a prison from a start.  It was the only way the Templars could talk Ambrosia II from slaughtering all mages with a Divine March.

So preventing them from being slaughtered isn't protecting them?

[IanPolaris]

So preventing them from being slaughtered isn't protecting them?

 

Not really.  It was the Divine that was off her rocker.  That doesn't change the fact the circles were meant to be prisons from the start.  Also the Nevarran Accords make it clear that the Inquisition of Old joined the Chantry on the condition that "Mages would be 'dealt with'" and the Inquisition of Old was rabidly anti-mage.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

If no clear quota was stated previously, then no, it's not a retcon.

 

 

And it is a pretty sensible limit to have. Too many mages in the group would pose too great a risk to the clan's security.

[robertthebard]

Not really.  It was the Divine that was off her rocker.  That doesn't change the fact the circles were meant to be prisons from the start.  Also the Nevarran Accords make it clear that the Inquisition of Old joined the Chantry on the condition that "Mages would be 'dealt with'" and the Inquisition of Old was rabidly anti-mage.

A lot of what's said here will bear out what you believe: Circles.

Of note, however, is this entry from the same source: "Some may say these are infringements of the mages' Maker given rights while others believe they are necessary sacrifices to protect the general populace from the dangers of magic while also protecting the mages from the bigotry of the outside world.", which might well include the example you listed earlier.

[IanPolaris]

If no clear quota was stated previously, then no, it's not a retcon.

 

 

And it is a pretty sensible limit to have. Too many mages in the group would pose too great a risk to the clan's security.

 

If it's not then it's only not by the most narrow and technical definition of 'retcon' because it's completely contrary to how the Dalish (and thair attitude towards mages and mage children) have been handled before.  What's more, there is good canonical references that at least strongly imply that clans can, and have more than three mages.

 

So, yes, it's a retcon at least in the de-facto sense.