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Please, BioWare, don't make DA4 an MMO


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 Because MMOS make EA a crap ton of money, even the rubbish ones that fall apart after a month or two and are a complete waste of harddisk space to even install. 

 

Because EA don't care if a game is crap as long as they're raking it in. 

 

Because despite every bad wow clone dying a horrible death, EA and developers alike remain irrationally, inexplicably, insanely optimistic that THEIR particular bad wow clone will be great.

 

Fixed it for you.  ;)



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Wh- Why would you say that...?  :o

 

Because then mages can revolt. But that will come as an expansion.



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I don't think they will go that path but there are too any MMO type mechanics in DAI. It makes me sort of believe DAI was a prototype to see how well an MMO would be received.

 

Class quests

Fetch quests with no dialouge

Open world

Cleaned up environment (No Desire demons, no brothels, lighter stories)

Tamed (somewhat generic) PC (locked into being a good guy pretty much)


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Aside from "cleaned environments" which doesn't make any sense given their is more gore than ever before and actual nudity this time around as opposed to some purple chick with tassels, those things existed in DA before this game. 


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They did actually think about making DAI a MMO as far as we know. An idea alone that they even considered such a concept is frightening... And it does explain the terrible mmo taste DAI sometimes has

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The whole game feels like the lead-up to an MMO, in my opinion.   :(

 

Fen'Harel = Illidan comes to mind.   :(

TBC Illidan? Maker no!  :crying: Such wasted potential, though I hear Blizzard wants to bring him back at some point, so perhaps he'll get his overdue redemption  :)

 

Anyhow, I am not seeing why people are getting the idea that Bioware intends to make a DA MMO. 



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They did actually think about making DAI a MMO as far as we know. An idea alone that they even considered such a concept is frightening... And it does explain the terrible mmo taste DAI sometimes has

No they didn't. It's not like halfway through development they decided to change DA:I into what it is now. It was a multiplayer game, which is very different from a MMO. That was also a good 3 years ago. 



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Aside from "cleaned environments" which doesn't make any sense given their is more gore than ever before and actual nudity this time around as opposed to some purple chick with tassels, those things existed in DA before this game. 

The nudity is in the romances so the player has to unlock it. Gore is in MMOs too so that's not much of a big deal. Most of the unlocked content in DAI is pretty much on the wholesome side. I'm not saying DAI is rainbows and sunshine but they did remove quite a lot of..."unsavory" things that was in the past games.



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I cannot help but feel that they will make it some kind of MMO. Like SWTOR. They tested the waters with these crappy MMO-like fetch quests in DAI, and since most people seem to enjoy them (or at least there is no insurrection against them), well get ready to be fed some Dragon Age MMO style in the future. Just my intuition.



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I hate MMO's so hell no



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The nudity is in the romances so the player has to unlock it.

And?

 

 

 Gore is in MMOs too so that's not much of a big deal

So is just about everything else. That has been in DA so far. Even the combat in Origins screams MMO. And not the kind of gore I've seen in this game.

 

 

. Most of the unlocked content in DAI is pretty much on the wholesome side. I'm not saying DAI is rainbows and sunshine but they did remove quite a lot of..."unsavory" things that was in the past games.

Like what? 



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I cannot help but feel that they will make it some kind of MMO. Like SWTOR. They tested the waters with these crappy MMO-like fetch quests in DAI, and since most people seem to enjoy them (or at least there is no insurrection against them), well get ready to be fed some Dragon Age MMO style in the future. Just my intuition.

 

Really? MMO style fetch quests is one of the most common complaints that I've seen.

 

Personally I don't really see it outside of the Hinterlands (yes that place brought back some bad MMO memories). But the other regions are way better, and we had fetch quests in both Origins and DA2.


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I'm just gonna launch my voice in.

HAHA, SWTOR makes them a LOT of money, especially since they went f2p.  XD  And actually attracted me, I hate MMO's



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SWTOR > DA:I



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DAI Fetch quests wouldn't be so bad if we had actually good dialogues in most of them. Not just
- Hello, I'm the inquisitor
- Hello, Inquisitor, I need this
>Go find a Thing. Return back
- Here is your Thing
- Kay, thanks
***Pretty much how most quests go
But actual long dialogues with cinematics and choices even if they don' t really change much. At least to have a choice in attitude, decision etc. Make us care about these NPCs like you did in DAO and DA2. And get rid of this distant 3rd POV camera. It is terrible
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I don't think they will go that path but there are too any MMO type mechanics in DAI. It makes me sort of believe DAI was a prototype to see how well an MMO would be received.

Class quests
Fetch quests with no dialouge
Open world
Cleaned up environment (No Desire demons, no brothels, lighter stories)
Tamed (somewhat generic) PC (locked into being a good guy pretty much)

 

Ridiculous, as is the assertion that this is a lead-up to an MMO because of the size of the world, etc.

1. You get three class specialization quests to choose from. There really aren't any other class-specific quests beyond that, and it's not unlike what you do in DA:O to unlock the arcane warrior spec.

2. It grinds my gears when people pretend that fetch quests (including ones with little to no dialogue) never existed prior to the advent of MMOs. They have been in every RPG that I have ever played - and I've played them from, oh, Ultima IV and BG on, etc.

3. KotOR had small but somewhat open environments, so did JE. It's just that DA:I is on a much grander scale and does take its inspiration from Skyrim proper. It is not a sign of some sort of impending MMO apocalypse. Do you see a Fallout MMO yet? I know they've kicked the idea around for a while, but it really hasn't ever come close to being a reality (and I don't count those past teasers as being meaningful at this point). FO3 and FO:NV are popular, yet I haven't heard anyone making ridiculous predictions that future FO games are in any danger of turning into MMOs.

4. Cleaned-up environments and the lack of a brothel? Seriously? The brothels, as such, in past games were kind of a joke. If you thought they were mature, then I must take this opportunity to laugh at that - lololol. I'm just going to point out that the romance scenes in DA:I have more topless female nudity and/or male nudity than you ever saw in the DA:O or DA2 brothels.

If they had a problem with showing boobs and extensive amounts of skin, then I guess the Blackwall romance scene, the Cass romance scene, the Sera romance scene, the Cullen romance scene, the Dorian romance scene, and the Iron Bull romance scene would not exist. Please remind me in which MMO anyone can get hot and heavy with a naughty templar on a desk - because I can't recall a single one. SW:TOR has romances, but in comparison, they are rather tame.

BTW, it's not like Desire demons are actually topless, given their little gold pasties - big whoop, no female demons for you to ogle while the world is being torn apart, so sorry! There's also a fair bit of swearing in DA:I, and you wouldn't hear that language in most MMOs. On the whole, the story is pretty mature - including the companion quests. I didn't get the vibe that the game was somehow sanitized just because there weren't any stripper demons this time around. It had its M rating for a reason.

5. Tamed PC? Sorry, but since SW:TOR (the MMO) shows that you get to play a raging psychopath wantonly slaughtering people as a sith/dark side type if you want, your argument does not hold any water. The fact is that the protagonist in DA:I is, perhaps, a bit more restrained...but you can still be a bit of a jerk and develop bad relationships (vis-a-vis being able to punch Solas and so forth). You can also still be somewhat ruthless and pragmatic, just without descending into turning the character into a joke.


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Can we wait till the new year before hyperventilating over how Bioware's going to scupper Dragon Age?


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The lack of a brothel is the irrefutable truth that proves that DA:I is an MMO.


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1: The MMO Market is fickle. 

2: MMOs end up getting balanced for PVP, and drift away from the core concept of a RPG.

3: I would love a proper MMO which was refocused on the immerse RPG experience, sadly that type of game died with the release of WOW. 

4: We will see a Mass Effect MMO long before we see a DA MMO.

5: I would love a DA MMO, but Bioware should hold off until WOW has under 2 million Subs, and frankly that may be 10 more years. (which was the mistake of SWTOR, it was too similar to WOW while WOW was Still over 10 Million Subs.)

6: I loved SWTOR but after the Story was done, I was done with it.

7: for DA to have a MMO it needs to come out long after people stopped playing WOW so they don't have to met those expectations. ie fast 0-max level, end game the only game, PVP more important than PVE, Raiding is the only way to power.



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the game would have been better if mmo part was taken out(just focus on story/ players interaction which is bioware' forte)

i think its due to dev trying to give the game open world feel but if u dont have idea to fill huge world with meaningful quests, leave it way it is



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And?

So is just about everything else. That has been in DA so far. Even the combat in Origins screams MMO. And not the kind of gore I've seen in this game.

Like what? 

And it's not something everyone will access.

 

I've already listed things that existed in past games that aren't in DAI. Right down to the changes in the PC.



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Ridiculous, as is the assertion that this is a lead-up to an MMO because of the size of the world, etc.

You act like people are just pulling this out of their rear end. They're not. Yeah the past games had fetch quests but never of this magnitude, now perhaps that has to do with the open world environment, but it's far too noticeable.  Most of those regions are just full of junk quests. The class quests themselves are just fetch quests. Gather these items type of bs that is typical of MMOs, at least the ones I have played.  And I hated Skyrim. It also felt like an MMO except with zero passion or reason to do anything.  So I guess you're right, they did get inspiration from that game.... but look where they ended up..as an MMO. I hope BW doesn't get too much of their inspiration from them.

 

Of course the brothels were a joke but that was in the world of DA. Why pretend they suddenly don't exist? Oh yeah cause you don't like it. Well good for you, then. I never said mature I said "unsavory" and mentioning locked content means nothing. I'm talking about everything accessible by just playing and not perusing a particular LI.  So I would only count Cullen's nude Wicked Grace scene.  Unless we're now going to go back and forth about the semantics of locked content. You can do that on your own.

 

Sorry sweetheart, I don't oogle Desire demons or any topless women for that matter cause I don't find them sexually attractive. So spare me your judgements.  :rolleyes:  But once again, where are they when they were in every other game? Pardon me if asking that question and trying to find a reason somehow offends your sensibilities.

 

The PC is tamed compared to DAO. I can't speak much for DA2 as I didn't like aggressive Hawke who raged over everything. But so far DAO wins when it comes to developing a more diverse personality. If they can do that but with a voiced PC I would happy. 

 

 I find it funny how just questioning if it's a lead up to an MMO is enough to make you rage. lol!!


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Because then mages can revolt. But that will come as an expansion.

Quoting only because I found this ridiculously funny. Ah, good job.



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You act like people are just pulling this out of their rear end. They're not. Yeah the past games had fetch quests but never of this magnitude, now perhaps that has to do with the open world environment, but it's far too noticeable.  Most of those regions are just full of junk quests. The class quests themselves are just fetch quests. Gather these items type of bs that is typical of MMOs, at least the ones I have played.  And I hated Skyrim. It also felt like an MMO except with zero passion or reason to do anything.  So I guess you're right, they did get inspiration from that game.... but look where they ended up..as an MMO. I hope BW doesn't get too much of their inspiration from them.

 

Of course the brothels were a joke but that was in the world of DA. Why pretend they suddenly don't exist? Oh yeah cause you don't like it. Well good for you, then. I never said mature I said "unsavory" and mentioning locked content means nothing. I'm talking about everything accessible by just playing and not perusing a particular LI.  So I would only count Cullen's nude Wicked Grace scene.  Unless we're now going to go back and forth about the semantics of locked content. You can do that on your own.

 

Sorry sweetheart, I don't oogle Desire demons or any topless women for that matter cause I don't find them sexually attractive. So spare me your judgements.  :rolleyes:  But once again, where are they when they were in every other game? Pardon me if asking that question and trying to find a reason somehow offends your sensibilities.

 

The PC is tamed compared to DAO. I can't speak much for DA2 as I didn't like aggressive Hawke who raged over everything. But so far DAO wins when it comes to developing a more diverse personality. If they can do that but with a voiced PC I would happy. 

 

 I find it funny how just questioning if it's a lead up to an MMO is enough to make you rage. lol!!

 

If the best you can do in defending your points is to try to deflect what I said by insisting that I was "raging" in my previous post, you should work a little harder on writing something substantive. Yes, the game is more like Skyrim - but Skyrim is basically the same as past Bethesda TES games.

 

The TES games have always emphasized an open world and exploration, and none of them were based on MMOs. Your dislike of the content and the inclusion of elements that you feel are typical of MMOs still doesn't give any credence whatsoever to the premise of this thread, which seems to be that just because elements that people don't like and feel are MMO-like mean that the next DA game will be an MMO.

 

As for brothels, so what if they existed in past games? Why is it a requirement that they insert one into every game simply because brothels existed in the first two games? They didn't ultimately lend an unsavory air to the previous games because...they...were...there...largely...for...humor. I sincerely doubt that their absence was because BW is suddenly pretending that they don't exist. Here's what I think: there wasn't a brothel because it's just not relevant and, frankly, because the overall tone is pretty sober.

 

Now with regards to the romance scenes, how is the fact that they're only accessible via the romances particularly relevant in supporting your point about sanitization, etc.? The scenes exist and are accessible to anyone who wants to access them. It's mature content in the game, and it's there for everyone. It's also considerably more impactful than the brothels if you want actual adult content.

 

Cullen's little streaking scene is amusing, but the fact that content is or isn't locked does NOT make the game "sanitized." I don't know what logic you're operating under that says that all mature content must be thrown in your face at random for it to actually be mature and for it to count. As for the Desire demon issue, that was a generic "you" as opposed to referring to you specifically. It is, however, a common thing that gets brought up by some male forumites - hence my heavy level of sarcasm about Desire demons at this point.

 

Again, the absence of stripper demons doesn't make the game more tame, nor do I feel it sanitized the gae. How about the nature of their very existence just not really lending itself to events of DA:I? Why not actually consider the context? I don't really see why demons whose existence and appearance stem from desire - and presumably in most cases it's physical desire - have any relevance under the circumstances.

 

A war is raging, and the world is in serious danger from a lunatic whose goal is to completely remake the world in the image of his dearly beloved, long-lost Imperium of old. The last thing that would seem to be at the forefront of anyone's mind under the circumstances is desire, in my opinion. We don't see Sloth demons outside the rifts either, so do you have a problem with their sudden absence as well?

 

The demons that we do see seem to draw from all the turmoil currently going on in the world, like people's fears, nightmares, etc. I don't think the absence of Desire demons is terribly relevant when other demons didn't make the cut - probably because, like desire, sloth isn't at the forefront of their minds either.


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