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[Dherelv]

So there's quite a lot of criticism about DA:I around, i see. I know, many of us have something to complain b, turned it into a very negative set of boards, some people (happened to me) may even develop second thoughts about buying the game, some even (not me) may give up playing the game because of the bash fest, it's understood.

 

It is actually normal that BioWare, from all game companies, would be the one to face this kind of thing. The smarter the audience, the harder the assessment. And BioWare games have always been for smart people.

 

I'm not trying to say, though, that DA:I is perfect. Some annoying flaws, yes, but i'll finish my first play through before i get back here to talk about it.

 

In the other hand, think about this: How many times it made sense to go to Assassin's Creed's or Call of Duty's forums to complain about the *not good enough tactical battle system* or the *not deep enough story line* or the *not complex nor varied enough skill/spell set*?

 

I understand criticism is valid, it's a fair attempt of BioWare fans to set the track of their so beloved game studio towards what they feel is better. The so called "whine" is actually just another indicator of the deep, sentimental and truthful feelings we all have for the best game studio in the world!!

 

BioWare folks, they bash you because they love you, if they didn't, they would be indifferent.

 

So, what about more of those feelings showing up in the forums? Let's get happy about the fact that such a company even exist in this industry.

 

And on a side note, if i may humbly give advice to the community members, do criticize but try to do it the best way possible, so you will not scare away people that could love this game but may never know it for giving up playing based on the harsh treatment BioWare is getting from some (and i'm sure, few) members!

 

Oh, before i forget, the pool: http://strawpoll.me/3201731

[SpiritMuse]

A pool?! Awesome! Let me go get my swimsuit!

[Razir-Samus]

just a friendly reminder that blind fanboys are hipsters too

[b10d1v]

The issue has a lot to do with expectations as you have indicated.  Our experience with EA/Bioware games has been pretty good, so we expect, rather realistically, as technology advances, so will the games.  Most of us felt that Bioware was on the verge of a truly award winning step forward in RPG game development because of the behavior data they were gathering to build NPCs that you could fall in love with and what we got fell far short.

 

That said, lets look a people and how consistency affects things.  A game, simply put, is a set of questions that the player must answer to proceed forward and within that framework there are "rules" -Its Human nature to reject changing the rules in any game.  Humans like a consistent set of rules that we can agree on, changing them will always cause friction. 

[Dherelv]

A pool?! Awesome! Let me go get my swimsuit!

 

I know... won't edit it though, kinda like the jokes! 

[rafoquinha]

This game is great and I am glad they finally added co-op of some sorts. Now I wont stop playing any time soon, even after finished the main campaign

[Dherelv]

The issue has a lot to do with expectations as you have indicated.  Our experience with EA/Bioware games has been pretty good, so we expect, rather realistically, as technology advances, so will the games.  Most of us felt that Bioware was on the verge of a truly award winning step forward in RPG game development because of the behavior data they were gathering to build NPCs that you could fall in love with and what we got fell far short.

 

That said, lets look a people and how consistency affects things.  A game, simply put, is a set of questions that the player must answer to proceed forward and within that framework there are "rules" -Its Human nature to reject changing the rules in any game.  Humans like a consistent set of rules that we can agree on, changing them will always cause friction. 

 

I think it's a discussion about marketing, really. Go to a Mc Donald's and order a Big Mac. It doesn't look like the pictures, but it tastes good. Maybe not the best sandwich ever in history, but no reason to go all "Falling Down" at it.

 

And it's a given, there will be hard criticism, and that i think is for many different reasons. Nostalgia, feeling of loss, frustration over high expectations, no possibility of having a toolset (and some other pampering we were accustomed with), all of that combined with the fact that it's a paid product. All of it, things that get healed by time as we have seen in previous installments.

 

Now let me get easy on the healing subject before, you know!    

[Grieving Natashina]

I think it's a discussion about marketing, really. Go to a Mc Donald's and order a Big Mac. It doesn't look like the pictures, but it tastes good. Maybe not the best sandwich ever in history, but no reason to go all "Falling Down" at it.

 

And it's a given, there will be hard criticism, and that i think is for many different reasons. Nostalgia, feeling of loss, frustration over high expectations, no possibility of having a toolset (and some other pampering we were accustomed with), all of that combined with the fact that it's a paid product. All of it, things that get healed by time as we have seen in previous installments.

 

Now let me get easy on the healing subject before, you know!    

You get a like for two reasons:

 

First, this is a great thread topic and a great post!  I love seeing positive posters around here. 

 

Secondly, you made a "Falling Down" reference.  Which is one of my all time favorite movies and holds up really well even today.  I watched again about two months ago, with my husband watching it for the first time.    It's still quite relevant. 

[Rocambole4]

Hey, I loved Bioware! Then the founders retired and EA turned it into a money machine, slow but certainly destroying the IPs as they ALWAYS do.

I stll remember Westwood. Most of you will be too young to understand.

[Razir-Samus]

Hey, I loved Bioware! Then the founders retired and EA turned it into a money machine, slow but certainly destroying the IPs as they ALWAYS do.

I stll remember Westwood. Most of you will be too young to understand.

wasn't that command and conquer? RTS gods of my childhood

[Grieving Natashina]

Out of respect to the OP, could you please take the EA/BioWare bashing elsewhere?  There is a huge amount of threads dedicated to trashing on the game/the company/the publisher willy-nilly.  Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but could you not do it here?   Besides, trashing EA or BioWare or whatever is off-topic for this particular thread.  I remember Westwood too, but I don't think that has a damned thing to do with the OP's positive attitude about BioWare.  Which I share with him, to be honest.

 

Some of the fans aren't as upset as others, nor are ready to grab their torches and pitchforks.  I've done quite a bit of posting about the bugs I ran into (like the one on the final fight last night.  That pissed me off,) and I'm quite vocal about the things I truly dislike (a couple of companion quests getting flagged wrong/bugged out of existence, jammies at Skyhold, terrible hair, the Nvidia graphic card "shiny grass" problem that's actually on BioWare to fix; clunky-as-hell PC controls that felt like they were never tested with a KB/M.)  I feel that they could have done better in some respects, but I could say that about a lot of games I've loved over the years.

 

I for one, loved the game despite some of the bugs and flaws, and I feel that this is one of BioWare's best yet.  I beat it last night, and I am looking forward to more story down the road in the form of DLC.   I've already got my second character going (took some restarts in the CC,) and if anything, this is going to be even better for me in many ways.  Now that I not only know much more of what I'm doing, I'm going to be keeping my eyes and ears out for the foreshadowing that's stashed all of the place in the game.

[Razir-Samus]

Out of respect to the OP, could you please take the EA/BioWare bashing elsewhere?  There is a huge amount of threads dedicated to trashing on the game/the company/the publisher willy-nilly.  Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but could you not do it here?   Besides, trashing EA or BioWare or whatever is off-topic for this particular thread.  I remember Westwood too, but I don't think that has a damned thing to do with the OP's positive attitude about BioWare.  Which I share with him, to be honest.

 

Some of the fans aren't as upset as others, nor are ready to grab their torches and pitchforks.  I've done quite a bit of posting about the bugs I ran into (like the one on the final fight last night.  That pissed me off,) and I'm quite vocal about the things I truly dislike (a couple of companion quests getting flagged wrong/bugged out of existence, jammies at Skyhold, terrible hair, the Nvidia graphic card "shiny grass" problem that's actually on BioWare to fix; clunky-as-hell PC controls that felt like they were never tested with a KB/M.)  I feel that they could have done better in some respects, but I could say that about a lot of games I've loved over the years.

 

I for one, loved the game despite some of the bugs and flaws, and I feel that this is one of BioWare's best yet.  I beat it last night, and I am looking forward to more story down the road in the form of DLC.   I've already got my second character going (took some restarts in the CC,) and if anything, this is going to be even better for me in many ways.  Now that I not only know much more of what I'm doing, I'm going to be keeping my eyes and ears out for the foreshadowing that's stashed all of the place in the game.

you just made me LOL, you're certainly dedicated to the cause...

[DetcelferVisionary]

Out of respect to the OP, could you please take the EA/BioWare bashing elsewhere?  There is a huge amount of threads dedicated to trashing on the game/the company/the publisher willy-nilly.  Yes, you're entitled to your opinion, but could you not do it here?   Besides, trashing EA or BioWare or whatever is off-topic for this particular thread.  I remember Westwood too, but I don't think that has a damned thing to do with the OP's positive attitude about BioWare.  Which I share with him, to be honest.

 

Some of the fans aren't as upset as others, nor are ready to grab their torches and pitchforks.  I've done quite a bit of posting about the bugs I ran into (like the one on the final fight last night.  That pissed me off,) and I'm quite vocal about the things I truly dislike (a couple of companion quests getting flagged wrong/bugged out of existence, jammies at Skyhold, terrible hair, the Nvidia graphic card "shiny grass" problem that's actually on BioWare to fix; clunky-as-hell PC controls that felt like they were never tested with a KB/M.)  I feel that they could have done better in some respects, but I could say that about a lot of games I've loved over the years.

 

I for one, loved the game despite some of the bugs and flaws, and I feel that this is one of BioWare's best yet.  I beat it last night, and I am looking forward to more story down the road in the form of DLC.   I've already got my second character going (took some restarts in the CC,) and if anything, this is going to be even better for me in many ways.  Now that I not only know much more of what I'm doing, I'm going to be keeping my eyes and ears out for the foreshadowing that's stashed all of the place in the game.

 

I'll steal your text and make it my own.  I'm 99% word for word in line with your reasoning as well.  

 

The larger a game is,  especially it seems when it has something it wants to say in it's story,  the more people will take issue due to,  I'm guessing here, emotional investment. There is more to scrutinize over. The point here is are you, the individual, the sort of person to let a game as large as this have the things you dislike outweigh the things you can enjoy.  I have a laundry list of complaints with this game and none of them eclipse the things I do enjoy.  

[Grieving Natashina]

you just made me LOL, you're certainly dedicated to the cause...

I didn't know that being a fan of a company and enjoying their product was some sort of "cause."  Or that politely asking folks to stay on topic was a "cause" either.

 

Not everyone is so upset that they are raging continuously.  Not everyone feels the need to continue the hatefest in every single thread that they post in.  If you disagree, then please go find one of the countless threads dedicated to being angry at EA/BioWare/the Maker/whatever.  Life's too short to be up in arms all the time, you know.  

 

I'm glad I made you laugh though.  Whatever works for you.  

 

So, to everyone in the thread that is contributing to the intention behind it's creation, have you finished the game yet?  Also, what was everyone's favorite parts?

[FKA_Servo]

Finished it this weekend.

 

Spoiler

Cassandra's romance, which might have been my favorite one in a Bioware game thus far. The totally out of left field option to make Viv the new pope. The whole Well of Sorrows sequence was wonderful. Morrigan played so very small a part in the game overall, but goddamn, I loved it. I loved the "showdown" with Flemeth in the Fade, and her parting words. Shivers. And, of course, the post credits scene - it was a hell of a reveal that makes me want to brush up on the elven lore a bit.

 

Started a new game in earnest pretty much immediately.

[DetcelferVisionary]

So, to everyone in the thread that is contributing to the intention behind it's creation, have you finished the game yet?  Also, what was everyone's favorite parts?

 

Too many favorite parts to list here so I guess I'll break it down to the first 3 that come to men that are not necessarily my all time favorites.  I'm sure I'll slap myself after I make this list.

 

Spoiler

1)  The suprise of Hawke.   Didn't see that coming.  Loved it.

2)  The tough choices.  A little drama goes a long way to make a good story.

3)  Events that feel bigger than one's self.  There are without a doubt parts of the story that feel so epic,  that the fact you are THEE inquisitor, makes you seem small comparatively.  I like that and the fact you're still in a way,  part of it. 

[Dherelv]

I'll steal your text and make it my own.  I'm 99% word for word in line with your reasoning as well.  

 

The larger a game is,  especially it seems when it has something it wants to say in it's story,  the more people will take issue due to,  I'm guessing here, emotional investment. There is more to scrutinize over. The point here is are you, the individual, the sort of person to let a game as large as this have the things you dislike outweigh the things you can enjoy.  I have a laundry list of complaints with this game and none of them eclipse the things I do enjoy.  

 

I'm so glad i found the group of people that thinks like me in this forums, almost thought they didn't exist tbh!

 

I think this is totally the point here. We must not forget that the deepness of the discussions we are reading here in this forums alone is reason for us to praise BioWare despite the flaws their game may have. To think young people would raise voice to demand a more complex and difficult gameplay experience in their play time hobby?

 

I just read Allan Schumacher's post in Natashina's signature, and to think i would see such intellectually deep, wise, sensible and well communicated  ideas in a video game's forum, or even outside social sciences academy really, is something to regain faith in human race.

Just take a look at their games, look at what they are creating here. Awesomeness plus awesomeness and clearly something to be protected by people who understand and appreciate it. (because even DAO fanboys do, rather they admit it or not)

[Benman1964]

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm so glad i found the group of people that thinks like me in this forums, almost thought they didn't exist tbh!

 

I think this is totally the point here. We must not forget that the deepness of the discussions we are reading here in this forums alone is reason for us to praise BioWare despite the flaws their game may have. To think young people would raise voice to demand a more complex and difficult gameplay experience in their play time hobby?

 

I just read Allan Schumacher's post in Natashina's signature, and to think i would see such intellectually deep, wise, sensible and well communicated  ideas in a video game's forum, or even outside social sciences academy really, is something to regain faith in human race.

Just take a look at their games, look at what they are creating here. Awesomeness plus awesomeness and clearly something to be protected by people who understand and appreciate it. (because even DAO fanboys do, rather they admit it or not)

We exist.  We get a little drowned out sometimes, but we exist.  When I'm feeling a little too overwhelmed by negativity, I stop by some of the fan threads.  Dorian, and Iron Bull's especially Their enthusiasm is contagious, and it cheers me right up.   Those threads are fun, but tend to get a little racy sometimes.  

 

For the game, one of my favorites parts was well, this at Adamant Fortress:

 

Spoiler

I choose to save the Wardens instead of sending them into exile, and I got a great screenshot of my Cadash during the speech.

 

 

One of my favorite parts of being a fan in general is the international fanbase for BioWare games.  Taking a look at the "Show off your Inquisitor" thread if you need some cheering up.  I've counted captions and interfaces from at least 5 different languages.  And while I know that some of them are also in bug report/feedback threads discussing some of the problems they've had with the game, they are still having a lot of fun too. 

[b10d1v]

I think it's a discussion about marketing, really. Go to a Mc Donald's and order a Big Mac. It doesn't look like the pictures, but it tastes good. Maybe not the best sandwich ever in history, but no reason to go all "Falling Down" at it.

 

And it's a given, there will be hard criticism, and that i think is for many different reasons. Nostalgia, feeling of loss, frustration over high expectations, no possibility of having a toolset (and some other pampering we were accustomed with), all of that combined with the fact that it's a paid product. All of it, things that get healed by time as we have seen in previous installments.

 

Now let me get easy on the healing subject before, you know!    

True enough and w/in expectations, until that day Mc'D just can't cut it any more.  

These polls can be very useful and yet difficult to capture good data, but I believe you can do it and likely better than politicians.  

I honestly feel frostbite pulled the wool over everyone eyes, management and players alike- it really is next generation!  I think that the disparity between visual presentation and game behavior is confusing to most.

[FKA_Servo]

The fade was so sad this time around. I forgot about that one.

 

I really liked the Fade.

[BeyondTheStars]

BioWare is awesome. Hopefully EA will understand that and support them properly, because more is needed.

 

This game has many problems, all can be solved or and some should have been solved, before being released. It's always a time and resource constraint, but also a management problem: choosing "what to save and what to let die". We humans, will never agree on everything, but we can be open and sincere about what we do, can explain why we choose that way, and let people know what to expect - not led them astray, and then staying silent: that's ugly.

 

Some are upset because they are made to expect something else, and they pay with more than just money for that: with their time and beyond that, they get involved emotionally, only to find out too late that... it's all different. Sometimes it's a nice surprise, but mostly is a bitter wake up and things add up. That's because - lying - is the fundation of making money for most modern companies - that's our age, our world - and that hurts. It's not just about EA or BioWare only, but all of us. We all are guilty of this, we all must do our part to change it to better - one step at a time.

[Xralius]

I wish I could say I loved Bioware. I certainly have loved many of their games. However, supporting a bad game will only lead to more bad games. Not to mention that Bioware said:
DRAGON AGE INQUISITION WOULD BE MADE FOR THE PC IN MIND.
And
DRAGON AGE INQUISITION WOULD GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINS ROOTS.

Regardless of whether or not you enjoy the game, those are clearly lies. Bioware lost the respect of many of their fans. Personally I think Inquisition sucks.

[FKA_Servo]

I wish I could say I loved Bioware. I certainly have loved many of their games. However, supporting a bad game will only lead to more bad games. Not to mention that Bioware said:
DRAGON AGE INQUISITION WOULD BE MADE FOR THE PC IN MIND.
And
DRAGON AGE INQUISITION WOULD GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINS ROOTS.

Regardless of whether or not you enjoy the game, those are clearly lies. Bioware lost the respect of many of their fans. Personally I think Inquisition sucks.

 

I'm 100% certain that you have about a zillion other threads to express this sentiment in, pal.

[XMissWooX]

I've not finished DAI yet (I'm ready to start the final mission next session!) but I agree - I'm really enjoying the game, and I just wanted to drop in to share my posititivity with Bioware and all you other happy fans.

And obviously, although I do have some issues with the game I know better than to post them here because clearly I am an intelligent person who knows how to read the thread title and OP and understands that this is not the place for negativity or criticism...