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[papercut_ninja]

I can barely stand myself in the real world...why would I want to play myself in a world where I could choose to be literally anything else?

[ToJKa1]

Though if i were to play an MMORPG, then i'd have a male character, to avoid any possible confusion.

 

That's an "if" of astronomical proportions, though.

[Robert Trevelyan]

Though if i were to play an MMORPG, then i'd have a male character, to avoid any possible confusion.

 

That's an "if" of astronomical proportions, though.

 

 

A Dragon Age MMO is literally the last thing I would want to see.

 

It wouldn't be able to maintain the plot and relationship driven narrative of DA, for one.

 

But also, WoW aside, MMOs don't really survive. They're not financially sustainable. Just think how quickly so many have gone Free-to-Play in recent years.

 

The Elder Scrolls online was a bit of a disaster. Still no finite sign of Console Versions.

 

I think the bottom line remains that the days of people purchasing a full-price retail game, and then subscribing monthly, are gone. And that was the only way MMOs made money. Even WoW subscribers drop significantly a couple of months after each new expansion.

[MrSnoozer]

A Dragon Age MMO is literally the last thing I would want to see.

 

It wouldn't be able to maintain the plot and relationship driven narrative of DA, for one.

 

But also, WoW aside, MMOs don't really survive. They're not financially sustainable. Just think how quickly so many have gone Free-to-Play in recent years.

 

The Elder Scrolls online was a bit of a disaster. Still no finite sign of Console Versions.

 

I think the bottom line remains that the days of people purchasing a full-price retail game, and then subscribing monthly, are gone. And that was the only way MMOs made money. Even WoW subscribers drop significantly a couple of months after each new expansion.

 

The problem with people and their expectations of what makes a good mmo is always comparing it to wow.

 

Elderscrolls is doing fine , it being updated constantly , just as vannilla wow when launched was buggy and had loads of issues. Guild wars 2 is a successfull B2p.

 

 

DA I doesn't need to be an mmo , but if they decided to i wouldn't complain. Anything that adds more content i'm happy with

[Zyrious]

I Play as a man because I am a man and relate to male characters the most. Also, guilty of inserting. Who doesn't like to imagine they themselves are saving the world? Like several others here, I fall into the camp rthat likes to relate directly as if I were here, in the moment. That doesn't mean I don't roleplay and do things I otherwise wouldn't do, but  it does mean you can only go so far before you break that connection. Gender is a big part of that.

 

Oh and though i tried to bite my toungue in relation to the various sjw replies, id just point out that gender is a lot more complicated than social constructs. It is a set of neurological, genetic, chromosomal, and hormonal differences. They dont stop at the neck, the brain is different too. Not inferior, different. The whole reason transgendered exist is because they share the neurology of the opposite sex. Despite what they may have been raised or be pressured to, they think like a gender opposite their body, which would not be possible if we thought the same.

 

Men and women don't even perceive colors the same. Recent studies show that even something as basic as ocular perception is different. Once upon a time the same people now preaching "we aren't different" use to preach that differences are good and enrich the world and should be embraced. We are different, and you don't choose your gender just like you don't choose your orientation. Gender is primarily and mainly determined by sex, due to said genetics, chromosomes, and hormones that effect formation of brain shape and neurology. That's a good thing IMO because men and women can offer to different outlooks on life. 

 

Lets not berate people who accept differences that once upon a time were common sense. Misogyny is bad yes, but fighting against misogyny does not mean you fight against the very existence of your gender.

[papercut_ninja]

I Play as a man because I am a man and relate to male characters the most. Also, guilty of inserting. Who doesn't like to imagine they themselves are saving the world? Like several others here, I fall into the camp rthat likes to relate directly as if I were here, in the moment. That doesn't mean I don't roleplay and do things I otherwise wouldn't do, but  it does mean you can only go so far before you break that connection. Gender is a big part of that.

 

Oh and though i tried to bite my toungue in relation to the various sjw replies, id just point out that gender is a lot more complicated than social constructs. It is a set of neurological, genetic, chromosomal, and hormonal differences. They dont stop at the neck, the brain is different too. Not inferior, different. The whole reason transgendered exist is because they share the neurology of the opposite sex. Despite what they may have been raised or be pressured to, they think like a gender opposite their body, which would not be possible if we thought the same.

 

Men and women don't even perceive colors the same. Recent studies show that even something as basic as ocular perception is different. Once upon a time the same people now preaching "we aren't different" use to preach that differences are good and enrich the world and should be embraced. We are different, and you don't choose your gender just like you don't choose your orientation. Gender is primarily and mainly determined by sex, due to said genetics, chromosomes, and hormones that effect formation of brain shape and neurology. That's a good thing IMO because men and women can offer to different outlooks on life. 

 

Lets not berate people who accept differences that once upon a time were common sense. Misogyny is bad yes, but fighting against misogyny does not mean you fight against the very existence of your gender.

 

...should have bit harder...thread spiralling out of control in 10...9...

[DarkAmaranth1966]

For me, it's a combination of factors. At heart I am a bit old fashioned so, though I can't keep the NPC women form fighting, I don't think a woman should be a frontline fighter, thus my toon is going to be male.

 

I am a female but, grew up and and have lived much of my life in the world of truck drivers and, that is, in many ways it's own subculture. Unless you are a female that acts all frilly, you are treated the same as the males. As a result, I really don't have a strong gender identity. I don't automatically think of my self as any gender, I'm just me and me does not have a hard set gender.

 

So since male fits with who I think should be doing what the hero does, I play male. If a female fit my headcannon better for a particular game, I'd play a female.

[stop_him]

Despite being female, I play as both male and female characters. However, the male perspective is offered in 95% of all games, so most players have consistent access to play as a male character in games. I've played Assassin's Creed, The Witcher, The Last of Us, etc.

 

Bioware is one of the few companies that offers players a female PC. As a result, when in comes to Bioware games, 95% of the time, I play female characters of varying personality types and morals.

[MrSnoozer]

'Identities are an illusion. People fight when others don't validate their illusion. Trying to be an identity is disempowering & impractical' Bailey jay

[Elsariel]

I mostly roll females because I can. As others have said, I had to play male protagonists for years back in the day and it's really great to play female when I get a chance to. I won't say I never roll male but usually that's done after I've gotten my fill of female playthroughs.

[Johanna]

Few games allow you to have a female protagonist. If I wanted to play a male character, and I truly don't, they are there in abundance.

[Baboontje]

Wait what?People play female characters in DA:I?
 
But...But...how can you romance Dorian if you play a female character?
 
 

You can in fact flirt with him. And when the truth comes out about his sexual preference, you can call him out about misleading you.

But concerning this topic, I always play female because I am female first and foremost. I have tried to play a male in DAO and DAII but it just didn't interest me. With DAII, another major reason for that was the VA. FemHawke's voice just felt more compelling. This was also the reason I never even bothered with a male Shepard. Meer's voice was so flat and boring comparing to Hale. Also, I was never interested in either Ashley or Liara in ME1. In fact, Ashley always died in my games even if I didn't romance Kaidan. I might give a male Inquisitor a chance some day for the sole reason of persuing a romance with Dorian. Not that I expect to complete such a playthrough but a girl can hope. x)
Plus, I just feel so much more epic slaying monsters and saving the city/world/galaxy when playing as a woman.

[MrSnoozer]

Completely off topic but Friendly reminder to get more female protagonists people need to buy those types of games. Lets look at mobile gmaing for instance , we are probably going to see a rise in the kim kardashian games because of the amount of money that makes. its just simple and sometimes lazy way to make alot of money for companies to rehash succesfull products. same with clash of clans. we will probably see more of those types of games

 

CoD/GTA etc show the market what type of games the average gamer wants. If you want to see more female protagonists buy an xbox one and spam the living crap out of tombraider reboot to your friends. Mirrors edge is another one.

 

As for using why not choose your protagonist gender/sexuality or w/e at the start , it just means spending more moeny and time (which equates to moeny again).

 

i'm all for more diversity in games/comics or w/e but i'd rather see original content and not another lady thor type merchandise. Its why i like wonder woman atleast she isn't some character remade from a popular one (albeit she is the female version of superman she has her own lore etc to counter that arguement). I detest the arguement of : lets make a female link or female Geralt or w/e . Why can't we have something new?

 

So i say agian remember to buy Tomb raider reboot franchise! Not only because its a female protagonist because she is original and her game lore is unique to her!

Investors and companies see there is money behind making a female protagonist game they will make one , words only get you so far in this world.

 

I'm a biased Tomb raider Fan

[EvilChani]

I mean that if your going to do multiple playthroughs of a game saying 'I can ONLY do this as a guy/girl' seems a bit odd. I really wouldn't see the point of playing through more than once unless you wanted to try and do things you hadn't done before. And like I went into detail with above there are scenarios which are only achievable as one gender or the other. Such as certain romance angles or who you place on the Throne. 

 

I did not start on the concept of limitation, but it is the focus of the thread. Some folks on here have genuinely been saying that they simply will not play as a different gender. I would say that in doing that there are some things which you are missing out on. 

 

So what? All females are not the same, do not have the same mindset, and do not make the same choices, so you saying that "there's no point" in replaying the game again as a female is a bit odd to me. I stated, earlier in this thread, that I play the games as characters I write or as characters in my favorite books/movies. It helps my writing and is interesting to me since it can give new insight into a character and makes me think about how each character would react in given situations. Each has her own personality, her own motivations, and her own preferences (for example, I have one character who romances no one because she's your typical 'I hate men' ****** who thinks women are always superior to men). So each playthrough is different.

 

Since BioWare games are the only ones, at present, that give me the option to play as a female while providing a deeper storyline (I also did/do this with Skyrim and Fallout:NV, but have to develop a deeper storyline in my head, as I go along), then I prefer to play as female. Almost every other game in the world forces our characters to be men, which is fine, but the replay value of such games (to me) is minimal. Granted, those games help me when writing certain male characters I've created, and I enjoy playing them, but when I finally get a choice, I choose to play female characters. Maybe if every game offered the choice to play as a female or male, I'd play male characters more often, but the choice simply isn't there most times.
 

[MrSnoozer]

So what? All females are not the same, do not have the same mindset, and do not make the same choices, so you saying that "there's no point" in replaying the game again as a female is a bit odd to me. I stated, earlier in this thread, that I play the games as characters I write or as characters in my favorite books/movies. It helps my writing and is interesting to me since it can give new insight into a character and makes me think about how each character would react in given situations. Each has her own personality, her own motivations, and her own preferences (for example, I have one character who romances no one because she's your typical 'I hate men' ****** who thinks women are always superior to men). So each playthrough is different.

 

Since BioWare games are the only ones, at present, that give me the option to play as a female while providing a deeper storyline (I also did/do this with Skyrim and Fallout:NV, but have to develop a deeper storyline in my head, as I go along), then I prefer to play as female. Almost every other game in the world forces our characters to be men, which is fine, but the replay value of such games (to me) is minimal. Granted, those games help me when writing certain male characters I've created, and I enjoy playing them, but when I finally get a choice, I choose to play female characters. Maybe if every game offered the choice to play as a female or male, I'd play male characters more often, but the choice simply isn't there most times.
 

Are we only talking about fantasy RPGs here or? Curious to know what type of games you as a female would like to see with a female protagonist, i'm asking because its hard to make a game everyone likes , what gaming has found is what men like. Its experimenting slowly with what women like. Rockstar might make a game with a female protagonist in GTA but what if it doesn't sell? the sheer amount of money to make a game is a huge risk , same with other media . But i think its cheeper to make films and easier to get them distrubuted and viewed either on TV or cinema. TOmb raider reboot did well but not extraordinary enough like CoD or GTA and its considered a cult clasic series.

 

Bioware had the foresight at the start to make you choose your protagonist and that in turn has made sure it had a non straight male fan base , which allowed it to create games which you as a female can enjoy without taking a huge risk on marketing.

[whiteravenxi]

 

 

Almost every other game in the world forces our characters to be men
 

 

As a man myself, this is the main reason I usually start any game I can as a female character. I am SO BORED of being white, gruff dude with dude problems. Holy ****. And we really don't have any female heroes, so if I'm given an opportunity I'll start female first then play male. In this case I started with female american, now I'm doing female british and then moving on to both male voices.

[Elsariel]

Are we only talking about fantasy RPGs here or? Curious to know what type of games you as a female would like to see with a female protagonist, i'm asking because its hard to make a game everyone likes , what gaming has found is what men like. Its experimenting slowly with what women like. Rockstar might make a game with a female protagonist in GTA but what if it doesn't sell? the sheer amount of money to make a game is a huge risk , same with other media . But i think its cheeper to make films and easier to get them distrubuted and viewed either on TV or cinema. TOmb raider reboot did well but not extraordinary enough like CoD or GTA and its considered a cult clasic series.

Bioware had the foresight at the start to make you choose your protagonist and that in turn has made sure it had a non straight male fan base , which allowed it to create games which you as a female can enjoy without taking a huge risk on marketing.

For me, it's not just playing a female character, it's playing a female character I created . To me, that's the best thing ever. So, yeah, I can play Tomb Raider and be Lara Croft, but it would be 1000 times better if I could make my own character and raid tombs or whatever.

[SnakeCode]

mmm I'd say because i'd to relate to my character which is why i always play as a male , some might find that boring but i just dont feel it when i play as a female , i tried it once and deleted the toon.

 

I think a better question is why play as something that doesnt represent you.

If I only played characters that represented me wouldn't play videogames at all. Despite being a straight and male, Ezio, Batman, Michael De Santa, Trevor Phillips, Commander Shepard, Cloud Strife, Mario, Joel, Nathan Drake etc really don't have anything in common with me, or indeed even each other.

[MrSnoozer]

For me, it's not just playing a female character, it's playing a female character I created . To me, that's the best thing ever. So, yeah, I can play Tomb Raider and be Lara Croft, but it would be 1000 times better if I could make my own character and raid tombs or whatever.

Sometimes games are just another medium to tell stories. Its why i would vastly prefer to have more interesting companions than an interesting PC. Not saying games where you create your own character is wrong. but having a preset is a good way to build empathy towards someone different. something different could be a black/female/latin/gay/lesbian and even 'gasp' straight white male

 

I had a conversation with a friend once who asked me why we don't have female protagonists in COD , i told her i'd much prefer female companions/sidekicks because all you see in CoD most of the time are your hands/guns/pants. And we build stronger bonds with them. Empathy is a powerfull tool

 

I guess i'm weird like that. I'd much more prefer to have interesting and diverse friendly and enemy NPC's than diverse Protagonist. I remember Meredith more than i do my hawke for example

 

Its also alot more stress free for creators to create flaws to make the protagonist white male than any other because 'critics'. White males can have w/e are done to them and noone will really bat an eye , put a female with a flaw and oh boy. example is Dreasden files , the protagonist is a male and gets beaten to a pulp noone complained to the author , but in one of his latest books something happened to one of his female characters and he said he got a lot of hate mail for it. Now imagine a new and upcoming studio taking on that heat compared to EA/bioware who have a whole division to take care of it. I truly believe we are stifling potential creations in our media by being to sensitive to minorities when they are cast as the primary character. We need flaws and insecurities to make diverse characters which is why its easy to put a white male as protagonist

 

But thats just my 2 cents.

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

I exclusively play as a female character because I find men boring to roleplay. Women are simply way, way more compelling and interesting to me.

[Elsariel]

Sometimes games are just another medium to tell stories. Its why i would vastly prefer to have more interesting companions than an interesting PC. Not saying games where you create your own character is wrong. but having a preset is a good way to build empathy towards someone different. something different could be a black/female/latin/gay/lesbian and even 'gasp' straight white male

I had a conversation with a friend once who asked me why we don't have female protagonists in COD , i told her i'd much prefer female companions/sidekicks because all you see in CoD most of the time are your hands/guns/pants. And we build stronger bonds with them. Empathy is a powerfull tool

I guess i'm weird like that. I'd much more prefer to have interesting and diverse friendly and enemy NPC's than diverse Protagonist. I remember Meredith more than i do my hawke for example

Its also alot more stress free for creators to create flaws to make the protagonist white male than any other because 'critics'. White males can have w/e are done to them and noone will really bat an eye , put a female with a flaw and oh boy. example is Dreasden files , the protagonist is a male and gets beaten to a pulp noone complained to the author , but in one of his latest books something happened to one of his female characters and he said he got a lot of hate mail for it. Now imagine a new and upcoming studio taking on that heat compared to EA/bioware who have a whole division to take care of it. I truly believe we are stifling potential creations in our media by being to sensitive to minorities when they are cast as the primary character. We need flaws and insecurities to make diverse characters which is why its easy to put a white male as protagonist

But thats just my 2 cents.

I don't see why I can't build my character and have interesting companions. Surely Bioware shows that this is possible. I don't see why it has to be either/or.

I do actually understand that white males are seen as more of a blank slate so whatever happens to them is seen happening to them rather than their race and/or gender. I get why video game companies choose these types of protagonists. I think it's lazy, but whatever. I get it. In my opinion , though, this is a failing of society at large that we somehow can't see minorities as people rather than minorities.

[MrSnoozer]

I don't see why I can't build my character and have interesting companions. Surely Bioware shows that this is possible. I don't see why it has to be either/or.

I do actually understand that white males are seen as more of a blank slate so whatever happens to them is seen happening to them rather than their race and/or gender. I get why video game companies choose these types of protagonists. I think it's lazy, but whatever. I get it. In my opinion , though, this is a failing of society at large that we somehow can't see minorities as people rather than minorities.

minorities = minority representation in games, sorry its lazy writting ^^

 

Your 2nd paragraph is the answer , we need to get people to see that 'woman/non-white character' portrayed with a negative is just that character not a portrayal of their race/gender/sexual orientation .Until we can get pass that , things won't really change , because its easier to take the safe route.

 

As for why you can't build your own character, mainly 2 points : Money (takes time to make sure the whole game has different coding for each gender within the game. i.e swapping around he/she )

2nd point which is the more valuable one : Its the characters story. Dragon age series is the story of thedas , you just play a character in it. other games like tomb raider is the story of Lara croft the rest of the world isn't as important. not that its trivial but her story trumps it.

[SnakeCode]

Sometimes games are just another medium to tell stories. Its why i would vastly prefer to have more interesting companions than an interesting PC. Not saying games where you create your own character is wrong. but having a preset is a good way to build empathy towards someone different. something different could be a black/female/latin/gay/lesbian and even 'gasp' straight white male

 

I had a conversation with a friend once who asked me why we don't have female protagonists in COD , i told her i'd much prefer female companions/sidekicks because all you see in CoD most of the time are your hands/guns/pants. And we build stronger bonds with them. Empathy is a powerfull tool

 

I guess i'm weird like that. I'd much more prefer to have interesting and diverse friendly and enemy NPC's than diverse Protagonist. I remember Meredith more than i do my hawke for example

 

Its also alot more stress free for creators to create flaws to make the protagonist white male than any other because 'critics'. White males can have w/e are done to them and noone will really bat an eye , put a female with a flaw and oh boy. example is Dreasden files , the protagonist is a male and gets beaten to a pulp noone complained to the author , but in one of his latest books something happened to one of his female characters and he said he got a lot of hate mail for it. Now imagine a new and upcoming studio taking on that heat compared to EA/bioware who have a whole division to take care of it. I truly believe we are stifling potential creations in our media by being to sensitive to minorities when they are cast as the primary character. We need flaws and insecurities to make diverse characters which is why its easy to put a white male as protagonist

 

But thats just my 2 cents.

This is a really good point. I'm going to steal from something Su Lu Pi posted in another thread recently, but with developers, they can really do whatever they want to straight white male character that they couldn't get away with doing with any other demographic. Look at Guybrush Threepwood. He's a nerdy, weak, socially awkward, cowardly fool of a character that get's both physically and verbally abused throughout the duration of the games he stars in. Now imagine Guybrush as a woman, or a black character, or a gay character. All of a sudden it would be offensive, because the way the character is and gets treated all of a sudden will have wider social connotations. People would assume that the character is so pathetic and gets abused because of who/what they are, rather than just being an individual. It would be presumed to be due to the characters gender, or race, or sexual orientation.

 

As long as straight white men are the only characters that can be ridiculed, or be scumbags, or weak, comically  inept, or be made to look bad in any way. They will continue to be the safe option when new protagonists are being made, and diversity will continue to be a rarity. We (society in general) really have to stop thinking that a woman/black/gay character reflects women/black/gay people everywhere.

[EvilChani]

Are we only talking about fantasy RPGs here or? Curious to know what type of games you as a female would like to see with a female protagonist, i'm asking because its hard to make a game everyone likes , what gaming has found is what men like. Its experimenting slowly with what women like. Rockstar might make a game with a female protagonist in GTA but what if it doesn't sell? the sheer amount of money to make a game is a huge risk , same with other media . But i think its cheeper to make films and easier to get them distrubuted and viewed either on TV or cinema. TOmb raider reboot did well but not extraordinary enough like CoD or GTA and its considered a cult clasic series.

 

Bioware had the foresight at the start to make you choose your protagonist and that in turn has made sure it had a non straight male fan base , which allowed it to create games which you as a female can enjoy without taking a huge risk on marketing.

 

I mostly play RPGs, like BioWare games and Bethesda games, but enjoy playing games like Assassin's Creed (though I admit I only liked Ezio...the other assassins kinda suck), The Witcher (which I feel is an action game with RPG elements), Deadpool, CoD (though I'm not that good at co-op because I shoot anything that moves, so getting in front of me is a bad idea), Halo, and Far Cry (which I actually replayed a few times). I love games that let me shoot things and blow **** up. My playstyle is best summed up by the fact that my nephew taught his friends about it during a game where they were trapped in a neverending standoff told them he'd demonstrate an "Aunt Tina" - he got a rocket launcher, marched toward the enemy blowing them to hell and let his snipers back him up. That's pretty much me in a nutshell.

 

One of my favorite non-RPG games is Half-Life, which had awesome gameplay. Honestly, I'd play games like those more often, and replay them, if I had the chance to play a female protagonist, for a change. I bought Bayonetta because the PC was a female, but the game sucked, IMO. As for Tomb Raider, I didn't buy it because I didn't like the original...all the jumping around and having to jump just right to get where I needed to be hacked me off. I had the same problem with The Force Unleashed, which I otherwise loved....games where you have to jump just right to keep going irk me to no end. Needless to say, I was never a Mario fan. Other games I've loved include Dungeon Keeper ("It's the witching hour!"), The Simpsons Road Rage (I love running over people in that context), and a very old PC game that was either called Road Rage or something similar...I used to play it after driving in traffic and danced with glee when I smashed people between my car and a wall. I don't like GTA, though. Being a pimp and killing cops really doesn't entertain me. Make it so I can go kill drug lords and criminals, and I'd be all over it.

 

Anyway, I like a variety of games, and would love to see more where I can actually choose to be female instead of being stuck as a man all the time. My nephew swears I'd love Borderlands, but I have yet to try it. Unfortunately, my gaming time is limited, which is why I choose to play games where I get to be female more often than not.

 

I will say that my absolute favorite game of all time is one where I was forced to be a man...the Star Wars arcade game. I wish I could afford to find one of the machines and put it in my basement. I'd live down there! 
 

[Nimlowyn]

I'll play games with a preset male protag no problem (which were basically all JRPGs when I was growing up) but if I'm rolling my own character? I'm way more interested in playing someone of my own gender. I just am. I feel more connected, whether I'm role playing or self inserting, and am much more interested in the story (and romance) from that perspective. And I get a kick out of people saying "you're limiting yourself". It's like the people who tell me, no just try this meat, you'll like it! NO. I realize it can be hard for some to fathom when you don't like something they do, but,  I am not limited - there is no loss - when declining to participate in something I don't want LOL. 

 

That said, DAI is the first time in almost 13 years of playing Bioware games that I'm considering rolling a male character. Why? Cassandra.