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#26
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Its all about that gear though! :)

 

You earn far less gold p/h and 0 experience when these bugs occur. I've managed to earn perhaps 5k gold in 2 days of threatening due to these bugs, whereas I'd normally have acquired ATLEAST 15k gold, more likely closer to 25k. I love your optimism, but there's honestly a time when optimism is appropriate and a time when it isn't. For those of us who literally cannot play the game we paid for because it's so ridiculously broken despite being a tiny multi-player, the time for optimism is not now. 



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No?



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No?

 

No. 

 

The glass isn't half full or half empty. It's full to the brim and overflowing with poop. This isn't a situation of "oh your just grumpy for no reason! Look on the bright side!" 

 

What is the bright side to a broken game? A broken game I paid for. I'm not even exaggerating when I say this is the most broken multiplayer game I own, out of perhaps 80+ games in my library on my pc and 50 games on the xbox 360 [including resident evil operation raccoon city *shivers.*] 

 

To add insult to injury the multiplayer is basic AF with 3 maps and maybe 25-30 unique enemies [if that] that are still generic anyway. It's actually one of the worst coded yet simple and bare-bones games I've ever played. 

 

*grumpy noises* 


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So! Now its enough.

 

Just come home from work and its been 2 matches --> 2 crashes

 

I know Ive said that many times but now I am really out.

 

Will give it another try in a few months, maybe.

 

This is crazy - considering that I PAID for this "experiment of an early study of a game".

 

Sorry if I bore you, I just needed to vent some air



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So! Now its enough.

 

Just come home from work and its been 2 matches --> 2 crashes

 

I know Ive said that many times but now I am really out.

 

Will give it another try in a few months, maybe.

 

This is crazy - considering that I PAID for this "experiment of an early study of a game".

 

Sorry if I bore you, I just needed to vent some air

 

Completely understand where your coming from. Here's hoping that whenever you decide to come back this poop will be fixed and full of actual content! 



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I do agree bugs are frustrating, my system crashing the game due to video issues (Thank you direct X) is incredibly annoying. But I just dont see the use in getting all upset about it. As the community moderators here have stated they can relay information the community has concerns with but they dont bring the attitudes to the table. They translate your concerns into articulated bug reports and get them worked on.

I guess my point is "quitting" over bugs when the game hasnt been out for more than about a month doesn't do anything to improve the experience. Everyone paid money to play this game, so that "I paid for this" argument is null and void because any game you buy is a gamble (Brink anyone?). So lighten up guys, they know whats wrong and the "Evil guys" at bioware are working on it.

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Bioware and its apologists here don't seem to understand how market dynamics work when it comes to producer/consumer relationships.  I've seen people mention Warframe here as an alternative coop multiplayer game (warframe is amazing by the way, but I digress) and honestly its a pretty apt comparison.  Warframe is a game that is more or less in a permanent "beta" phase.  It's free to play and free to download, all "hard" content is able to be gotten for free through regular gameplay (relatively simply as well).  They even have an in game auction house where players can trade for stuff, mainly using their real world currency (platinum, same name that bioware uses) at a rate that SIGNIFICANTLY trumps the developers own prices.  Anyways, the point of this comparison is that due to the game being classified as "perpetual beta" it is UNIVERSALLY understood by its fans that this game is a constant work in progress and things are always subject ot change.  When new content is added, it might be buggy.  There might be balance changes/fixes.  Any and all of this can happen at a moments notice, though the developers are usually VERY forward and transparent as to the state of affairs.  They have (or had, I haven't followed the game for months) a monthly live stream with the developers where they show off upcoming content that they are working on and even answer questions by their fans.

 

Bioware, on the other hand, has released a retail game for full price and then some ($60 or $70 for the deluxe edition, not counting the handful of overpriced "extra" content you can get by purchasing various merchandise).  Full price for a game with a multiplayer aspect that is in NO way functioning like a finished game should, least of all one that costs this price by a formerly considered AAA developer.  If this multiplayer was a separate free or even budget download then these problems (which shouldn't happen in the first place) would be far more forgivable.  There's a phrase "you get what you paid for".  Bioware and its apologists seem to forget that.  People payed $60-70 for this, on top of that, they are spending their TIME on this game (something far more important than money in my opinion) that on a much higher occasion than is acceptable, is nothing more than a waste due to glitches.  When you pay for a product that is underperforming you have every right to complain about it.  Even if those complaints won't fix the product it can at least damage the reputation of the producer and warn others what they might be getting themselves into when they spend their money.

 

 

...but they dont bring the attitudes to the table. They translate your concerns into articulated bug reports and get them worked on.
 

 

Actually, they have condescendingly threatened to moderate people who have been voicing their complaints.


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Sephlezar, on 17 Dec 2014 - 7:59 PM, said:
I do agree bugs are frustrating, my system crashing the game due to video issues (Thank you direct X) is incredibly annoying. But I just dont see the use in getting all upset about it. As the community moderators here have stated they can relay information the community has concerns with but they dont bring the attitudes to the table. They translate your concerns into articulated bug reports and get them worked on.
 
I guess my point is "quitting" over bugs when the game hasnt been out for more than about a month doesn't do anything to improve the experience. Everyone paid money to play this game, so that "I paid for this" argument is null and void because any game you buy is a gamble (Brink anyone?). So lighten up guys, they know whats wrong and the "Evil guys" at bioware are working on it.
 
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When it's been on-going for a full month and just got significantly worse, I think it warrants trying to get their attention. Especially considering I paid for this, as did many others,  - as a product - and it doesn't function properly. They don't have community moderators, very rarely bioware employees visit the forum to assure us they read everything even if they don't reply to it all, occasionally followed by some vague promise of action. But I'm past the point of thinking vague promises is fine. I waited a month, that's more than enough for them to fix atleast SOME of the issues, rather than creating more in a tiny "DLC" as they've called it. It's pathetic. 
 
Your argument is non-sense. It doesn't matter how many consumers buy a defunct product - if it is defunct then they have a right to complain and request action. Buying a game is not a gamble. But by your own argument, this game is a poor game to gamble on. Which is reason enough why people are quitting. You cannot tell people to grin and wait it out, when they've already waited a month - which is by rights longer than they should have to wait. This is my first Bioware game, it will also be my last at this rate. Because this is THE buggiest game I own by far, and it shows no signs of getting remedied. 
 
Why should I pay for the privilege of a broken game, with no direct contact as to when it will be fixed, and simply put up with it without saying a word? I haven't claimed their evil - 'Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity' would entirely fit the multi-player devs at this point. Up until now they have been inept, and this silence is just adding insult to injury and getting us more worked up. If they'd just say "hey guys, we messed up, we're trying to fix it, ETA X for bugs X,Y and Z, we are aware of issues *list of issues* and are working on them, we'll keep you posted." It would go a long way. That isn't even much to ask either. It is infact the BARE MINIMUM a customer deserves when given a defunct product. 


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This is the cup you're looking for

 

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This is the cup you're looking for

 

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Oh Noez! 0.0 Such a waste of coffee!

 

We have all bought into games that were not so great, and gaming history has shown us that just because a "big" development company is on a game that does not mean it will be amazing quality. As a consumer you do have the right to voice your concerns and complaints with a product you bought, I do not dispute this, but there is a appropriate forum (And not the internet forum(s)) to voice these concerns. The biggest difference between complaining and constructive criticism is one actually contributes to the future of a game. 

 

Personally I think gamers are way to spoiled these days, they want fixes and balances done when it is convenient for them forgetting that it costs time and money to make those fixes. Considering they are releasing the DLC for MP for free, as in not making money off it, I don't feel it inappropriate to cut them some slack. I personally don't like EA as a publisher and don't like their 'Online all the time" mentality they took to gaming but hey some of my favorite games have the EA logo on them. 

It is easy to get upset about something you invested time and money into when it doesn't work correctly but blowing up the forums over issues that are already being looked at doesn't speed up the process any. Look at it this way, the more bugs we find the faster they can be addressed and we keep a few programmers in a job, if every game was perfect then the turn around rate for the gaming industry would be pretty high. 

 

They are showing "Signs of remedy" as they are hotfixing and prepping patches as we speak, take a back seat from the game if it is upsetting you that much. It is, in fact, their first time implementing MP into this series. As I said, i have issues with the game as well and I am upset when my game crashes or a stupid big prevents me from finishing a mission but life goes on. Now I need to get ready for my kids christmas concert, peace out girl scouts. 



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We have all bought into games that were not so great, and gaming history has shown us that just because a "big" development company is on a game that does not mean it will be amazing quality. As a consumer you do have the right to voice your concerns and complaints with a product you bought, I do not dispute this, but there is a appropriate forum (And not the internet forum(s)) to voice these concerns. The biggest difference between complaining and constructive criticism is one actually contributes to the future of a game. 

 

Personally I think gamers are way to spoiled these days, they want fixes and balances done when it is convenient for them forgetting that it costs time and money to make those fixes. Considering they are releasing the DLC for MP for free, as in not making money off it, I don't feel it inappropriate to cut them some slack. I personally don't like EA as a publisher and don't like their 'Online all the time" mentality they took to gaming but hey some of my favorite games have the EA logo on them. 

It is easy to get upset about something you invested time and money into when it doesn't work correctly but blowing up the forums over issues that are already being looked at doesn't speed up the process any. Look at it this way, the more bugs we find the faster they can be addressed and we keep a few programmers in a job, if every game was perfect then the turn around rate for the gaming industry would be pretty high. 

 

They are showing "Signs of remedy" as they are hotfixing and prepping patches as we speak, take a back seat from the game if it is upsetting you that much. It is, in fact, their first time implementing MP into this series. As I said, i have issues with the game as well and I am upset when my game crashes or a stupid big prevents me from finishing a mission but life goes on. Now I need to get ready for my kids christmas concert, peace out girl scouts. 

 

There is no appropriate forum to post constructive criticism for multiplayer. And what exactly would that look like? "Hey, your game is broken, here's a list of ways it's broken?" Because that is what my OP is. 

 

It's not spoiled to expect the product you have paid for to function correctly. In what world do you live? 

 

Example:

 

"Oh, this cup I ordered is broken" - Person 1

"Stop being spoiled! Don't expect us to give you a new cup. OMG kids these days, so spoilt." - Business

 

Correct response:

 

"Oh, this cup I ordered is broken" - Person 1

"That's a shame! We'll send you a new cup in the post first class ASAP. We're sorry about this!" - Business

 

I absolutely demand fixes to a broken game, because I paid for a functioning product, not a beta. By rights it should not be broken in the first place, so I expect it to be fixed promptly. A month after release a mounting pile of bugs is entirely inappropriate for a game of the year no less. Bioware should be utterly ashamed of how they've dealt with this thus far. 

 

I don't know if they're working on patches nor do I know their progress. They also haven't implemented a hot-fix - as these bugs have existed for a month but simply become more prevalent. They haven't maintained ANY kind of consistent communication on their own forums. 

 

I should not have to sit back and wait another god knows how long for them to fix they're broken game that I paid full price for. I expect, at the very least, an update on the situation and an acknowledgement of the problems. 

 

Enjoy your Christmas Concert. 



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Today I have attempted overall around 50 games, 4 games have been successful with only minor bugs/glitches. 

 

Let that sink in. Around 46 games were UNPLAYABLE. That is a 8% success rate. Even then, the 4 successful games were still riddled with minor bugs and glitches. 

 

I'm literally done for today. F this.



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3 games played, 3 games had to quit because of no key dropping. Brilliant.

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Today I have attempted overall around 50 games, 4 games have been successful with only minor bugs/glitches. 

 

Let that sink in. Around 46 games were UNPLAYABLE. That is a 0.08% success rate. Even then, the 4 successful games were still riddled with minor bugs and glitches. 

 

I'm literally done for today. F this.

Don't be too hard on the Devs, it is a rate of 8% and not 0,08 %   :)



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Don't be too hard on the Devs, it is a rate of 8% and not 0,08 %   :)

whoops! :P It's actually 8% even - my bad 

 

For the record, it feels like 0.08% ;) 



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Don't be too hard on the Devs, it is a rate of 8% and not 0,08 %   :)

If only the rest of the industry could aspire to such heights

 

#gameoftheyear

#GOTY2014

#notbroken

#freeDLC

#strongcommunityinvolvement

 

I can only imagine the interesting and exciting ways the next free DLC will break the game!  (remember kids, if it's free you can't complain about it)

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If only the rest of the industry could aspire to such heights

 

#gameoftheyear

#GOTY2014

#notbroken

#freeDLC

#strongcommunityinvolvement

 

I can only imagine the interesting and exciting ways the next free DLC will break the game!  (remember kids, if it's free you can't complain about it)

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Prepare to be hyped. This season: Free "DLC" - Adds cats with santa hats and 50 bugs that will not be fixed. Prepare yourselves for the worst gaming experience since the last worst gaming experience you've ever had with DAMP. 

 

It genuinely competes with Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City. I think that's the most offensive thing I've ever said about a game in my life. 


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What do Battlefield 4 and DAMP have in common?

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What do Battlefield 4 and DAMP have in common?

 

They were both games that had not a single bug at launch, setting a global precedent in gaming due to their perfection. 

 

... Am I right? 



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What do Battlefield 4 and DAMP have in common?

The broken unworkable engine that is Frostbite 3?



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Another day, another bucket-load of bugs. And the revelation that there's no hotfix in the works. 10/10 GOTY 



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The Only new bug I found was that people seem unable to switch from the archer class after the DLC.



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I guess i'm one of the few who haven't experienced any of the bugs named in this thread - until yesterday. Here I am, buying tons of platinum (not only because i like to gamble, but to support the game). What do I get in return? Not even enough keys to make my way to the last room... That's the least i ask for. To get keys when all enemies are killed, so that me and my party can progress to the next room.

Oh well, it seems the bugs are more common on the PC/Xbox than PS4, so maybe I don't have any rights to complain in the first place...

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3 games played, 3 games had to quit because of no key dropping. Brilliant.

3/4 bugged so far!



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seriously its a WASTE OF TIME to play that game minor bug since the begining but now its UNPLAYABLE  wtf no key drop no xp no money drop cause i hav to leave the party 8times on 10 

 

and without talking about 

crash game 

black screen ....

 

SERIOUSLY ITS A BETA ? ITS A FREE TO PLAY GAME ?