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[Sifr]

You are talking about those 2 groups that hawke can make deal with? I wouldn't use word legal considering that those 2 groups were shady , not mention one of them are outright criminals.

 

Which is why I said "apparently", since it might be not have been? There are a few slavers operating in Kirkwall regardless and it makes me wonder what happens to those who didn't satisfactorily pay off their debts by the end of their term of service?

 

Course, if it's not legal, then you'd wonder why Aveline isn't cracking down on them hard when she joins the guard? You'd think that she'd want to stop that kind of thing, especially since Hawke's family are now free and clear of the debt?

[congokong]

Dorian doesn't contradict Fenris. He's just mentioning the positives of slavery while Fenris focuses on the negatives. It's one of things I don't like about Dorian. You can earn some nice disapproval from him if you're anti-slavery in banter.

 

Anyway, Fenris' issues are still valid. While some slaves may have families, be treated well, etc. others end up dead as blood sacrifices to amuse magisters at a party. Both Dorian and Fenris acknowledge this; Fenris is just bitter about it while Dorian makes light of something horrid.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Which is why I said "apparently", since it might be not have been? There are a few slavers operating in Kirkwall regardless and it makes me wonder what happens to those who didn't satisfactorily pay off their debts by the end of their term of service?

 

Course, if it's not legal, then you'd wonder why Aveline isn't cracking down on them hard when she joins the guard? You'd think that she'd want to stop that kind of thing, especially since Hawke's family are now free and clear of the debt?

They probably end dead ,like when they try to kill hawke if hawke screws them over.

 

Avoding that Aveline turned a blind eye what hawke and his company did (not only them), maybe she did something about them or at least tried just we didn't see that like for example with castillon list that she takes but we never see what she does with that.

[myahele]

From what Krem tells us, it does seems that those who sign themselves into contractual slavery like his father are better protected and more taken care of than non-citizen, privately-owned slaves, which would imply that some kind of regulation might exist in place to prevent any abuses?

 

After all, we see that reneging on a contract in Antiva and Orlais is seen as uncivilised to the point of anathema amongst the nobility, so it's likely that Tevinter too has similar penalties in place to prevent Magisters from going around killing these temporary wards of the state?

 

What I want to know is the rules and distinctions that the rest of Thedas have about this kind of thing, since from DA2, it's (apparently) legal for someone in Kirkwall to sell themselves into indentured servitude, meaning that Hawke and their siblings were at one point no different from Krem's father?

 

 

That's what I am thinking. Dorian is of the opnion that if ever a citizen falls into hard times they can apply for some sort of indentured servitude and are then "property of Tevinter" or whatever fancy word they use. This is a good thing (in his eyes) becuase then rather than never find a job and remaining poor, that person can then put their skills to use, while their family benefits.

 

Then there's Krems dad who did just that. In the end, though, these people have useful skills.

 

I doubt that people being kidnapped from other countries have any rights. If anything they are "black market" slaves. Not sanctioned by the Tevinter gov't on paper

[FemShem]

Hmmm.  Slavery.  Blood sacrifices by your master/mistress who can afford a bunch of slaves.  Might not get to prove that excellency.  Death kind of cuts that short.

[renfrees]

That's what I am thinking. Dorian is of the opnion that if ever a citizen falls into hard times they can apply for some sort of indentured servitude and are then "property of Tevinter" or whatever fancy word they use. This is a good thing (in his eyes) becuase then rather than never find a job and remaining poor, that person can then put their skills to use, while their family benefits.

 

Then there's Krems dad who did just that. In the end, though, these people have useful skills.

 

I doubt that people being kidnapped from other countries have any rights. If anything they are "black market" slaves. Not sanctioned by the Tevinter gov't on paper

From wiki:

• It is still legal for elves and humans and even Qunari to be sold into slavery in Tevinter, a fact which allowed many elves from Ferelden to be sent to the Imperium during Teyrn Loghain's regency.
• Free people may choose to sell themselves into slavery to provide for their families. Those slaves who are purchased by the Imperium itself rather than private individuals are called Servus Publicus, or state-owned slaves.
• Slaves can only legally be set free before a judge, with the owner present to formally state the slaves have been granted freedom, or by the owner's will upon his or her death.

[Ferraro]

I'd rather be an Elven slave in Tevinter than a City Elf in Southern Thedas.

[congokong]

I'd rather be an Elven slave in Tevinter than a City Elf in Southern Thedas.

That's a pretty interesting ultimatum; kind of like the tranquility-or-death choice. Both situations for elves suck. Alienages get purged when a lord throws a fit while elves are sacrificed in Tevinter magister parties. And I'm sure elven slave deaths extend beyond that. Between this, the slaughter of dalish clans as a sport (or if the player feels like wiping them out in all 3 DA games), and how elves can only have elven offspring with other elves, it's a surprise elves aren't near extinction.

[luckybaer]

Wasn't Fenris a slave of the Tevinter?  Maybe that is what colored his opinion... just maybe!

[vertigomez]

That's a pretty interesting ultimatum; kind of like the tranquility-or-death choice. Both situations for elves suck. Alienages get purged when a lord throws a fit while elves are sacrificed in Tevinter magister parties. And I'm sure elven slave deaths extend beyond that. Between this, the slaughter of dalish clans as a sport (or if the player feels like wiping them out in all 3 DA games), and how elves can only have elven offspring with other elves, it's a surprise elves aren't near extinction.

I remember trying to figure out whether elves or dwarves were going to bite it first...

Theoretically, of course. Obviously Bioware's not going to kill half their races.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Are people actually claiming that just because Tevinter has slavery, poverty doesn't exist there? Are people ACTUALLY that dimwitted?

[Siha]

You never do see any Elven magisters...interesting.

 

Fenris's sister hoped to become one, so it must be possible.

Apart from that we've only just seen two magisters at all, so that doesn't yet establish a rule.