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[LadyofClockwork7]

So I was reading the Masked Empire last night and I got up to the part where Celene, Michel, Briala and Felassan reach the Dalish camp... the way they (Celene and Michel) are treated was pretty shocking to me. Of course, the distrust was unsurprising but Michel was beaten, threatened and taunted when he gave them no reason to (unless you count walking away from camp to Imshael but he wasn't in control of that) and instead of trying to negotiate with Celene peacefully when she offered they were more interested in pointing fingers and bringing up past wrongs that Celene personally had nothing to do with. It's becoming incredibly tiresome to listen to. They were sympathetic in Origins but they're so stuck in their ways and are uninterested in trying to change their lot in life and focus on the future rather than dwell on a past lost to them. And the revelation in the elven temple in Inquisition only makes the whole thing worse. I understand the Dalish aren't aware that their empire's fall was caused by in-fighting and not by the humans, but now it's just enraging to listen to them rant and rave about Arlathan or the Dales knowing (through meta-gaming, I'll give you that) that it's all their fault and the crap with Tevinter came after.

 

Plus their snobby superiority towards city elves, and claiming they aren't "true elves" is vomit-inducing, when it's clear they don't know as much as they'd like to think they do about "the old ways" (eg. Solas revealing to a romanced Inquisitor that their facial tattoos are slave markings and not something to be proud of). It feels to me like they should be taking a leaf out of Merrill's book and be more invested in the lot of their city brethren and try to help them rather than just hiding out in the woods with their noses in the air and arrows up their backsides, summoning demons and playing "Fen'Harel's Teeth" with humans in their spare time.

 

Anyway, I didn't mean for this to turn into a rant-y post. I love many Dalish characters - Felassan, Merrill, Marethari, Tamlen, Josmael I can think of off the top of my head, and I also realize that not all clans are like the the ones Celene and co. encounter in TME, especially Clan Lavellan who are very human friendly, but I find the Dalish as a whole very irritating and vastly prefer the city elves. I'm just curious as to everyone's opinions of the Dalish after the revelation at the temple in the end of Inquisition - does it change your opinion of them? Did you ever like them to begin with? Or if you love the Dalish and think they are justified I would love to hear your reasoning.

 

TL;DR - what is your personal opinion of the Dalish elves, in light of the revelation at Mythal's Temple in Inquisition?

[LightningPoodle]

 

My opinion of the Dalish is the same opinion towards anyone trying to reclaim something lost. They feel they need too in order to find a place in the world again. They might come across as harsh bast*rds but that's only because they grown to experience hate and fear from humans. It's in their nature to be cautious and aggressive, all at the same time.

[LadyofClockwork7]

 

My opinion of the Dalish is the same opinion towards anyone trying to reclaim something lost. They feel they need too in order to find a place in the world again. They might come across as harsh bast*rds but that's only because they grown to experience hate and fear from humans. It's in their nature to be cautious and aggressive, all at the same time.

 

Forgive me, let me try again - I think Dalish elves are mean. Do you also think they are mean? Tick the box, yes or no.

[AlexiaRevan]

 

My opinion of the Dalish is the same opinion towards anyone trying to reclaim something lost. They feel they need too in order to find a place in the world again. They might come across as harsh bast*rds but that's only because they grown to experience hate and fear from humans. It's in their nature to be cautious and aggressive, all at the same time.

I still frown on their obsession . Generation after generation are tasked to look for old relics..while the present flee away from them . They could rebuild..instead they rather go into ruins and find something their ancestors made...instead of making something they make themself . 

 

I have more respect for the city elf then this lot . Add to that...generation after generation the hate and bitterness is passed down...thats not good . 

[LightningPoodle]

Forgive me, let me try again - I think Dalish elves are mean. Do you also think they are mean? Tick the box, yes or no.

 

No. I don't consider them mean.

[veeia]

I love the Dalish. I think the games have gone from portraying them as sympathetic, but very flawed to comically inept and jerky, and that bums me out. Honestly TME and DA:I felt like giant hammers hitting the Dalish. Ooh, look, you thought the elves were all noble victims?? Look, they're dirtbags!

It's like come on, we knew they were dirtbags like every other race already, this is not shocking or subversive. At this point, the most interesting thing they could do is make a sympathetic Dalish character and not have them be a special snowflake or whatever.

...I'm being harsh, but I was irritated about a lot of the elf content in the game. So there it is.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I love the Dalish. I think the games have gone from portraying them as sympathetic, but very flawed to comically inept and jerky, and that bums me out. Honestly TME and DA:I felt like giant hammers hitting the Dalish. Ooh, look, you thought the elves were all noble victims?? Look, they're dirtbags!

It's like come on, we knew they were dirtbags like every other race already, this is not shocking or subversive. At this point, the most interesting thing they could do is make a sympathetic Dalish character and not have them be a special snowflake or whatever.

...I'm being harsh, but I was irritated about a lot of the elf content in the game. So there it is.

 

Agreed. They've always been flawed, very much so, but as of late I feel like they've been trying way too hard to piledrive them with flaws to the point where they're now less believable than they were before. It's kind of annoying to see.

 

Though, like Solas said, referring to them as one people is kind of vague. They vary from clan to clan. I guess, if anything, we've seen that much is true - we have Sabrae and Zathrian's clan which welcome city elves rather than shun them, we have the Inquisitor's clan which seems mostly peaceful even with humans...then we have wild packs of c**ts like the ones in TME. 

 

Kind of like anyone else, really. My canon Warden is always going to be a Dalish however, so perhaps there's some bias with me.

[AlexiaRevan]

I love the Dalish. I think the games have gone from portraying them as sympathetic, but very flawed to comically inept and jerky, and that bums me out. Honestly TME and DA:I felt like giant hammers hitting the Dalish. Ooh, look, you thought the elves were all noble victims?? Look, they're dirtbags!

It's like come on, we knew they were dirtbags like every other race already, this is not shocking or subversive. At this point, the most interesting thing they could do is make a sympathetic Dalish character and not have them be a special snowflake or whatever.

...I'm being harsh, but I was irritated about a lot of the elf content in the game. So there it is.

It always has been like this.......as far as I can tell , 

 

They have this tendacy to want one group to take the fall . I remember Mass effect 3...where my beautiful Asari got taken down..while those bloody Salarian get nothing...arghh make me maaaaaaaaaad ! 

 

Ahem..anyway......thats why..apparently...

[BabyFratelli]

You've got to remember that every Clan is different, just like every group of humans is different. The only thing they have in common is a basic structure (Keeper, Keeper's First, hunters, being nomads, blah, blah).

 

So I guess, yes, Dalish elves are mean. But they're also kind, and curious, and selfish, etc, because there's many different kinds.

 

The ones you're referring too, the ones who are anti-human and snobby, for me it isn't hard to see how they got to that place, even if I disagree with it. As for them being a 'joke' because of their misperception of their history, like some think, I find people who think that rather narrow-minded, and also hypocritical. It was the only opinion of Solas' I disagreed with. Our real world history is much, much better documented than the elves history and there's an incredible amount of misconceptions and inaccuracy about things that happened as little as 40 years ago.  

[Kulyok]

I love the Dalish. The particular Dalish in the Masked Empire weren't very reasonable (summoning a demon, threatening and beating their guests) - I think Keeper Marethari and possibly even Zathrian and Lavellan Keeper would never treat Celene that way.

 

Still, I felt sad and upset at the destruction of the clan(and at Felassan's carefree attitude towards it all, though that might've been a mask).

 

I think Dalish have a right to live as they do. Why should they care about city elves or shemlen or their problems? They run from the Blight, they care about their own, and they don't interfere in the Mage-Templar war. Just like you or I would, if normal 21st century people were suddenly thrown there without any mysterious marks upon their hands. And, after all, Zathrian's clan honored the treaty when they were called to.

 

I remember Origins, and reading the descriptions of each origin for the first time. Mage? Locked in a tower? No, thank you. A younger sibling in a noble house, being forcibly given a family I don't care about? No, thanks. A city elf, poor and forced into a loveless marriage by her own father? (chokes) A dwarf criminal? A dwarf princess in the middle of cutthroat intrigue with her own family? 

 

... Dalish it was. And remains my canon. Needless to say, my DAI canon protagonist is Lavellan.

[Willowhugger]

I think you should cut the Dalish some slack given the reason they're nomadic is people kill them if they stay in one place too long.

Oh and the Orlesians kinda destroyed their homeland.

Sort of like if you were descendants of the United States or Europe living in the Soviet Union-ruled Empire in some twisted alternate universe.

[tanuki]

Ironically I didn't care about Dalish until DAI. Because of revelations in this game I like them waaay more than before.

[ArvinDulku]

DAI relevations in regards to the Elves in general, my overall reaction =
 


It was glorious.

[Roamingmachine]

The Dalish are a hard and proud people. And i love them for it. They chose a free but hard life and continue to live it generation after generation and that is worthy of respect. I don't really care about your points, OP. They've been debated before and debunked one by one. I'm not going to convince you, youre not goint to convince me.

 

Also, no the Dalish are not mean. They are cautious.

[Master Warder Z_]

The elves?

Got no problem with humanities cousin.

I do take issue with religious extremist isolationist cults though.

[Ajna]

I don't think you can really refer to them as "The Dalish" as a whole anymore, it's clear it's not like that.  We've played the best of the Dalish and we've been shown the worst most recently.  Dorian is a mage from Tevinter, but he's not a slave owning megalomaniac.  It's not a case of "The Dalish are a**holes".  Some of the Dalish are a**holes, just as some of the human nobility of whatever country are a**holes.  Some people are a**holes, just like in reality.  Clans being a**holes, equates to families being a**holes. *shrug*.  This is how I see it at least.

[Willowhugger]

I admit, I actually kind of like the Dalish more.

 

They're now the Wiccans or Asatru of Thedas.

 

Poor Solas being a genuine Druid from ancient Celtic times.

[RenAdaar]

I like the dalish but that eleven pride can get annoying.

I swear I want to make loud farting noises every time one of them says  

"I am a true elf!" or "flat ear" 

[Willowhugger]

I like the dalish but that eleven pride can get annoying.

I swear I want to make loud farting noises every time one of them says  

"I am a true elf!" or "flat ear" 

 

It explains a lot about Sera if you realize she IS a Flat-Ear.

 

One of the elves who leaves an Alienage to fully assimilate into human culture.

Which explains why she hates both of them.

 

She's probably been spit on by City Elves her entire life.

[dantares83]

they are struck in the past, unable to move on. much like many of the people who like to compare past games to the newer games here. 

 

then eventually, it was revealed all they are holding on are false memories and they are actually despised by the very people they were emulating. what a sad sad race. 

[Willowhugger]

they are struck in the past, unable to move on. much like many of the people who like to compare past games to the newer games here. 

 

then eventually, it was revealed all they are holding on are false memories and they are actually despised by the very people they were emulating. what a sad sad race. 

It's kind of funny but if the Dalish realized they weren't beholden to their ancestry, their lives as free-roaming nomads isn't so bad.
 

It'd be something "new" they've created.

[Colonelkillabee]

My opinion of the Dalish is that they suck eggs. In other words, not much better than anyone else. But since I play as a human, I'm especially susceptible to calling them douchebags.

[MoonDrummer]

If the TME clan had of been more cautious and killed michel and Celene on sight they would probably still be alive come da:I