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[Colonelkillabee]

Here's a theory. The mortals are reminiscent of whatever spirit was, if ever, recognizable as "The Maker".

 

Everyone basically has a tie to the fade. Except Dwarves. Why? Perhaps the maker was overthrown by rival spirits, and his corner of the fade that he controlled was cast out, and "dead". Hence the world is unchanging, non malleable. The humans are pieces of his energy, the ones that held enough energy to still draw from the fade for dreams and even mages, while Dwarves are the energy and spirit run offs that had less, hence they're more like the stone of the world and separate from the fade.

 

Elves are like the humans but they changed in image due to accepting these other spirits as guides, and kept stronger ties to the fade than the humans due to having more natural energy after the maker's death, hence their original better understanding of all things magic, even enough that they were immortal.

 

And lyrium, lyrium being as the game says, "Alive", is the pockets of his energy not manifested as a mortal or a spirit.

 

It's just something I'm playing with, but if there is a "maker" and he isn't alive any longer or around, that's how I'd see it going down. That explains why everyone has ties to the fade. And who knows, maybe Andraste tapped into some group will left over from the maker in the fade.

 

Doesn't explain where the fade started in the first place though.

[Colonelkillabee]

i honestly think that spirit in the fade was her

I've toyed with that idea too. Who knows. She was very powerful, and spirits can take so many forms without much choice in the matter.

[Colonelkillabee]

Here's a theory. The mortals are reminiscent of whatever spirit was, if ever, recognizable as "The Maker".

 

Everyone basically has a tie to the fade. Except Dwarves. Why? Perhaps the maker was overthrown by rival spirits, and his corner of the fade that he controlled was cast out, and "dead". Hence the world is unchanging, non malleable. The humans are pieces of his energy, the ones that held enough energy to still draw from the fade for dreams and even mages, while Dwarves are the energy and spirit run offs that had less, hence they're more like the stone of the world and separate from the fade.

 

Elves are like the humans but they changed in image due to accepting these other spirits as guides, and kept stronger ties to the fade than the humans due to having more natural energy after the maker's death, hence their original better understanding of all things magic, even enough that they were immortal.

 

And lyrium, lyrium being as the game says, "Alive", is the pockets of his energy not manifested as a mortal or a spirit.

 

It's just something I'm playing with, but if there is a "maker" and he isn't alive any longer or around, that's how I'd see it going down. That explains why everyone has ties to the fade. And who knows, maybe Andraste tapped into some group will left over from the maker in the fade.

 

Doesn't explain where the fade started in the first place though.

Also, the wraith spirits being reminiscent of dead spirits and taking up their characteristics near the rifts sort of support this.

[raging_monkey]

I've toyed with that idea too. Who knows. She was very powerful, and spirits can take so many forms without much choice in the matter.

souls pass through the fade right? Perhaps they become spirits and linger in the world

[Colonelkillabee]

souls pass through the fade right? Perhaps they become spirits and linger in the world

I'm not entirely sure what the difference between a soul and a spirit is though. The chantry makes a distinct separation. I guess it's the energy without a consciousness immediately present. If so, that makes the idea of a great spirit "dying" and birthing a new realm and lesser beings seem likely.

[raging_monkey]

Im not master philosopher not even a amaetur but yeah what is the dif between a soul and spirit contextually its the same right

[Colonelkillabee]

If we're going by elder scrolls rules, which is partly why I'm a fan of the Maker being the actual mortals and world after death, then the soul would be the energy and thing that carries the essence of what someone was, their conscience basically. And a spirit is that energy and conscience taken form.

[myahele]

If Sola's is an indicator of Ancient Arlathan views of magic then it seems like the Dalish got that wrong too

[raging_monkey]

After a month of thinking perhaps this is a good thing maybe from all these revelations the dalish can carve out a new life. Keeping traditions but learning the "proper" ways, without human meddling. (Dalish/culture supporter's opinion)

[herkles]

Another sort of question I am curious about how a new elven kingdom would have to deal with: magic.

 

would they form something like the circles? the imperial circles, the free college concept that is begun under divine lelianna? What about potential abominations? Currently Dalish don't really deal with that many mages as the clans don't have that many mages in their clan currently. But in a new kingdom this is something they would have to solve.

[Colonelkillabee]

They should leave it to their own mages.

[Reznore57]

Another sort of question I am curious about how a new elven kingdom would have to deal with: magic.

 

would they form something like the circles? the imperial circles, the free college concept that is begun under divine lelianna? What about potential abominations? Currently Dalish don't really deal with that many mages as the clans don't have that many mages in their clan currently. But in a new kingdom this is something they would have to solve.

 

Imho this is going to be the big question for the Dalish , they come from a magical empire ...but let's face it currently most of the Dalish are a bunch of hunters lead by mages .

It's possible magic was part of their downfall , and how they managed to completly destroy themselves .

In the Dales you can find the temple of Dirthamen , it's not a cheery place.

The elves of the Dales were trying to get in touch with their lost God , basically they cut their high priest into pieces , and the temple got cursed.

 

The huge problem in reclaiming their heritage is ...it's not just ruins text etc...it's also magical artifacts , some Gods ( who appears to have been way crueler than what current Dalish lore says) the lost immortality and blablabla.

And if the Dalish gods were not truly gods , but just really really powerful elven mages ...we already have a vague idea how wrong things went since somebody decided to lock them away FOREVER.

 

Another point ,a couple of time in DAI you learn elven blood is very old and magical , the OGB tells that to the Inquisitor , in a codex entry you learn Cory sacrificed elves to get to the Golden City , he told them they had more magic in their blood.Also Solas tell Sera it's possible she had some magical power dormant and he could maybe awake her power.

 

I'm thinking if the elves find out their true potential , circles etc are going to be the least of their problems.

[raging_monkey]

They should leave it to their own mages.

i like the idea of a separate culture of non-human magic but thats slippery slope

[Colonelkillabee]

i like the idea of a separate culture of non-human magic but thats slippery slope

It always is with magic, no matter the "solution".

[raging_monkey]

It always is with magic, no matter the "solution".

either way mundanes will find a way to oppress a x group... the irony. They can go tevinter or they can go andrastian... so depressing

[Colonelkillabee]

I think they could do rather well with that. Their keepers are mages after all and they know the dangers. It would likely be respected more than elsewhere and have enough wise individuals to teach and guide to not need to lock anyone up, unless they really proved dangerous.

[myahele]

With a crack permanently in place in the veil I wonder if this will be the impetus for everyone, especially elves due to their inborn connection to the fade, will slowly get magic.

Aren't the Dalish clans named after noble families? I'm thinking mages probably were in positions of power within the old Dalish nation.

[TK514]

With a crack permanently in place in the veil I wonder if this will be the impetus for everyone, especially elves due to their inborn connection to the fade, will slowly get magic.

Aren't the Dalish clans named after noble families? I'm thinking mages probably were in positions of power within the old Dalish nation.

 

What crack?  There's a scar in the sky, but it is absolutely closed.  They are unambiguous about that.

[Addai]

Lyrium did it? Come on.
 
There's that and all the funky stuff that went on there as well. It would be too expected honestly, for there to be no maker. I don't think the maker's the Chantry idea, but not that either. Andraste's ashes and all that wouldn't make a great deal of sense. Being devoted to a figure for several gods rather than a real one like the elves' god. It could even be a god the elves and humans both once shared.

I haven't heard the official pronouncements, but even the devs suggested the "lyrium did it" theory. It's more implausible than "a wizard did it" or "a god did it"?

They've said they aren't going to confirm or deny the Maker's existence, so expect there to be more "funky" explanations for events rather than an all-powerful Prime Mover who's able to orchestrate events as he sees fit- which is about the most boring explanation I could think of anyway.
 

Who is the "you" here though? Quizzie? Cuz Solas left. He didn't even bother to tell Quizzie the truth. I suppose he could later, but that would have to be his choice, and I don't think he wants to.  And what if Quizzie isn't an elfy elf type?  
 
I think Solas is a very tragic figure. He wants to shape that change and he has the best intentions and a lot of wisdom, but I think some of his blindspots  prevent him from making the best possible decisions.

Yes, Inquisitor. Sure, not everyone's going to be equally interested in the fate of the elves, but I played a DLC about Leliana and one about Tallis, and...

Solas' blind spots are why he needs either an antagonist or an ally to balance him. It sounds like a good story setup to me.

[Colonelkillabee]

I haven't heard the official pronouncements, but even the devs suggested the "lyrium did it" theory. It's more implausible than "a wizard did it" or "a god did it"?

They've said they aren't going to confirm or deny the Maker's existence, so expect there to be more "funky" explanations for events rather than an all-powerful Prime Mover who's able to orchestrate events as he sees fit- which is about the most boring explanation I could think of anyway.
 

Well that's not my theory or explanation actually.

 

http://forum.bioware...-and-the-maker/

 

Actually, to be honest, in this game, a god did it does seem more likely at this point, lol.

 

As for funky explanations, you know I have no problem with those. I just simply disagree with the one presented because there's not enough pointing to it. Too simple and too much evidence to the contrary. Some form of a "maker" existing at this point would be more interesting than him not being real. That's such an old played out concept by now.

 

Him not being real and just some elven yadyas doing elfy stuff would be rather safe and easy. But dealing with the reality that he does exist... and that he might not be like what we expect... that is interesting, in conjunction with the elven lore we have now.

[myahele]

Dalish and elves in general need to be preserve because their blood is a lot more poten for blood magic rituals

[Scerene]

I'm not expecting much from Briala, ever, or the Inquisition on this matter.  Too many different outcomes for it to carry forward in any meaningful way.

 

 

 

Two elf-centric games in a row seems pretty unlikely, but perhaps.  I still doubt BioWare will pull an elven nation out of their hat without some necessary buildup first.

haha yes, i feel silly for that post because i forgot to mention, it was part of my own fantasy more than anything else,  bioware are going to do whatever they want , but it seems like they are interested in making these strides in canon lore, otherwise they wouldnt have given us the option to support Briala at all, or play an elf that becomes one of the most powerful people in thedas. And there is a lot of focus on the elves in this game, admittedly not all of it good. For example i managed to get my clan in wycome to be part of the council along with a city elf, not that those war mission matter, but the fact that they added all these options for elves to be empowered says something. Im getting the feeling they are on their way to empowering the race little by little, as we see elves taking on more powerful positions, within canon lore. The game constantly makes references to how powerful the elves were and how much the foundation that thedas is built upon is based on their culture and magic. Many stories and codex entries reveal the truth and offer redemption to their past, more specifically all the excuses and blame that the chantry and other countries placed on them for the exalted march. They played a far greater role in shaping the worlds foundation than the qunari, dwarves and humans. Hell they are the only ones whose gods have been proven without a doubt to exist, unless i have missed something?. The orb, which is elven,is one of the powerful artifacts in DA lore. We focus on how bioware is dragging them through the mud in this game, but this may just be a prelude for whats to come. Solas, talks about wanting to "help his people" , The elves are clearly getting a lot of attention, and their cultural heritage, religion and lore is shown to have great significance. Flemeth turns out to be an elven goddess, carrying a fraction of her soul, and colluding with another elven god involved in some sort of sheningans(until one of them ends up sucking the other ones energy dry, which one it is, i honestly couldnt tell. Did flemeth steal his body? or did he steal her essence? or take myhal inside himself to continue whatever he intented to "help the elves" or use the essence for himself?). Im surprised people talk about the game being pro chantry when bioware presents them as nothing but a failure too. So far, the one thing the chantry got right is the magisters and their role in the fade, but where is their maker? Theyve lost control of both the mages and templars and now all they have are a bunch of pathetic clerics jockeying for a chance to become divine, which ends up being one of the high ranking members of the inquistion anyway, with two of them wanting to change the lives of the other races, Cassandra being the more conservative option, but still. I wont even entertain the idea of Vivienne as divine.

I must say i am very happy that Leliana got to be divine, especially ruthless Leliana.

[MoonDrummer]

I love Solas, but the last time he tried to help the elves, he destroyed their society and reduced them to a scavenging, poverty stricken existence. Then when he tried to fix his mistake, he ended up almost destroying the world because he was a bad judge of character and shared his toys with a bully. He's not exactly who I am pinning any elf hopes on.

It would be funny if all of the dread wolfs dastardly trickster schemes were solas messing things up, the slow arrow story was actually him trying to kill the beast but he slipped and fired into the air before runnin off.

[raging_monkey]

It would be funny if all of the dread wolfs dastardly trickster schemes were solas messing things up, the slow arrow story was actually him trying to kill the beast but he slipped and fired into the air before runnin off.

id buy that

[herkles]

It would be funny if all of the dread wolfs dastardly trickster schemes were solas messing things up, the slow arrow story was actually him trying to kill the beast but he slipped and fired into the air before runnin off.

well if the dread wolf is anything like Loki or anyother trickster gods/goddesses that is totally to be expected.  Loki is interesting as often times he creates problems and then tries to fix them, often for something he did. So if Fen'harel acted the same, then he would be a good trickster god