Says a person who likes massmurdering them. Yeah... don't talk to me about morally right and wrong attitude
Do you like, have actual statistics from Thedas? Cuz I doubt you do
Um what? Lol I don't mass murder them so calm your ****. I was joking earlier. I actually help them every chance I get.
They still annoy the **** out of me, however.
I'm much more content with letting them kill themselves, tbh.
Um what? Lol I don't mass murder them so calm your ****. I was joking earlier. I actually help them every chance I get.
Yeah... surrrre
The City Elves don't become bandits that kill humans out of racism or superiority.
Did you play the city elf origin in DAO? The PC's mother is a rogue who gets into a violent confrontation with humans. In the return to the alienage, you encounter a bunch of city elves beating up a human who's strayed into the alienage. So yeah. Your argument is kind of weak.
Yeah... surrrre
What are you, five? I don't give two shits if you believe me. Even if I did kill them all the time, it doesn't change the fact that what I said is true.
But for those that like Ad Hominems, I always helped the clan in Origins, usually both the elves and the werewolves, and in DA 2, I romanced Merrill on playthroughs I romanced anyone at all, and most of them ended with the clan still living, even though I'd much rather just kill them all. Didn't feel right for them to die for Merrill's stupidity, as well as their keeper.
I'm much more content with letting them kill themselves, tbh.
Indeed. As are they, evidently. When they die out, it won't be because of my hand.
What are you, five? I don't give two shits if you believe me. Even if I did kill them all the time, it doesn't change the fact that what I said is true.
But for those that like Ad Hominems, I always helped the clan in Origins, usually both the elves and the werewolves, and in DA 2, I romanced Merrill on playthroughs I romanced anyone at all, and most of them ended with the clan still living, even though I'd much rather just kill them all. Didn't feel right for them to die for Merrill's stupidity, as well as their keeper.
I am a person who finds genocide jokes not funny. Like rape and holocaust jokes. Some things are too damn terrible to be laughed at
I am a person who finds genocide jokes not funny. Like rape and holocaust jokes. Some things are too damn terrible to be laughed at
Well, that's your problem, isn't it? I suggest getting over it.
Well, that's your problem, isn't it? I suggest getting over it.
Slow clap... very good, damn snowflakes.
He does say that he tried to go to them in order to share knowledge, and the Dalish he encountered called him flat-ear and drove him off. So he kind of writes them off as a lost cause, unless he encounters a Lavellan Inquisitor who makes him reconsider.
Example, this exchange.
Spoiler
They're craftsmen, in particular woodworking, like the ironbark quest you can do in Origins. You can't build up culture or education without stable institutions, however. Until they can get a stable homeland, they're probably going to continue the downwards slide. I hope we do see a New Arlathan emerge.
I don't get this attitude. I mean, I sympathize with the city elves, but their situation is also pathetic in the worst sense of that word. They accept being forced into ghettoes and becoming the victims of pogroms every time a human ruler needs to solve a poltiical problem of their own. They aren't moving anywhere but down, either. Say what you want about the Dalish, but "we will never submit" is still an admirable trait. I guess you have to prefer freedom over death to accept that.
I remember this exchange, which is why I compared the Dalish to the six-year-old who hates school. My point is that their whole "flat-ear" reaction, completely expected, so just because they don't appreciate it as much as they should doesn't mean he ought to stop trying. Another poster said he would belt said six-year-old and force them to learn. I don't disagree and in fact that's exactly what I think should be done rather than just throw up his hands and give up.
I remember this exchange, which is why I compared the Dalish to the six-year-old who hates school. My point is that their whole "flat-ear" reaction, completely expected, so just because they don't appreciate it as much as they should doesn't mean he ought to stop trying. Another poster said he would belt said six-year-old and force them to learn. I don't disagree and in fact that's exactly what I think should be done rather than just throw up his hands and give up.
Haha, that was me, lol. Yes, a little tough love didn't hurt nobody. Bible says a parent that spares the rod hates their child. That logic seems more appropriate in this situation.
I admit, I actually kind of like the Dalish more.
They're now the Wiccans or Asatru of Thedas.
Poor Solas being a genuine Druid from ancient Celtic times.
Haha, so brilliantly said.
relative to the topic. WHAT inquisition introduced to the lore, only corrects the inconsistency of the elves as pure victims, a whole socieade is not nearly extinct, twice for no reason. and no empire is perfect without any kind of oppression, so the only thing they did was make the elves more real.
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My personal opinion is that this thread is elf hate clickbait.
Was not my intention. I was just curious about what people thought about the Dalish now, so I thought I'd post a thread about it. *shrug*
Answering your questions, OP, I will share my views.
Did the new information change my opinion of them? - Inquisition and TME just made it more clear for me why I didn't like the Dalish. From the very beginning in Origins I couldn't understand why I didn't feel anything for them. I liked the city elves much more.
Then it was Merril and although her goal was commendable I couldnt agree with her a bit (past is a past, just deal with it and create something new and beautiful) and I'm glad the in the end she's helping the city elves of Kirkwall (at least in my PT).
Their arrogance and pride is just annoying and is in fact groundless. They think that thay're so righteous and proud while in fact they know for themselves that they know nothing of their lore. (hope this part is not confusing).
I don't want to argue with people who love the Dalish and such, just my opinion.
Was not my intention. I was just curious about what people thought about the Dalish now, so I thought I'd post a thread about it. *shrug*
there are a lot of people who think that the dalish are evil without any redeming value as you can see in this thread.
Was not my intention. I was just curious about what people thought about the Dalish now, so I thought I'd post a thread about it. *shrug*
Don't mind them, some people are just too sensitive towards the truth.
That said, some people are a little too committed to hating a people that simply don't want to be pathetic bitches like the city elves.
I remember this exchange, which is why I compared the Dalish to the six-year-old who hates school. My point is that their whole "flat-ear" reaction, completely expected, so just because they don't appreciate it as much as they should doesn't mean he ought to stop trying. Another poster said he would belt said six-year-old and force them to learn. I don't disagree and in fact that's exactly what I think should be done rather than just throw up his hands and give up.
I recall someone on Tumblr saying this:
"considering solas’ personality and his comments about ‘i offered to share knowledge [to the dalish] and they attacked me for no greater reason than their own superstition’ makes me highly suspect solas just popped in there and went ‘wrong wrong you’re all wrong all your ancestors are wrong everything you value is wrong trust me i’m a random bald elf and all of your traditions are wrong and pathetic and hey wait why are you getting mad why aren’t you LISTENING to me’"
Made me laugh a bit
He's kinda... like a dalish to be honest. Stubborn and proud
Don't mind them, some people are just too sensitive towards the truth.
That said, some people are a little too committed to hating a people that simply don't want to be pathetic bitches like the city elves.
The Dalish just kinda handle it... well, like bitches.
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So I was reading the Masked Empire last night and I got up to the part where Celene, Michel, Briala and Felassan reach the Dalish camp... the way they (Celene and Michel) are treated was pretty shocking to me. Of course, the distrust was unsurprising but Michel was beaten, threatened and taunted when he gave them no reason to (unless you count walking away from camp to Imshael but he wasn't in control of that) and instead of trying to negotiate with Celene peacefully when she offered they were more interested in pointing fingers and bringing up past wrongs that Celene personally had nothing to do with. It's becoming incredibly tiresome to listen to. They were sympathetic in Origins but they're so stuck in their ways and are uninterested in trying to change their lot in life and focus on the future rather than dwell on a past lost to them. And the revelation in the elven temple in Inquisition only makes the whole thing worse. I understand the Dalish aren't aware that their empire's fall was caused by in-fighting and not by the humans, but now it's just enraging to listen to them rant and rave about Arlathan or the Dales knowing (through meta-gaming, I'll give you that) that it's all their fault and the crap with Tevinter came after.
Plus their snobby superiority towards city elves, and claiming they aren't "true elves" is vomit-inducing, when it's clear they don't know as much as they'd like to think they do about "the old ways" (eg. Solas revealing to a romanced Inquisitor that their facial tattoos are slave markings and not something to be proud of). It feels to me like they should be taking a leaf out of Merrill's book and be more invested in the lot of their city brethren and try to help them rather than just hiding out in the woods with their noses in the air and arrows up their backsides, summoning demons and playing "Fen'Harel's Teeth" with humans in their spare time.
Anyway, I didn't mean for this to turn into a rant-y post. I love many Dalish characters - Felassan, Merrill, Marethari, Tamlen, Josmael I can think of off the top of my head, and I also realize that not all clans are like the the ones Celene and co. encounter in TME, especially Clan Lavellan who are very human friendly, but I find the Dalish as a whole very irritating and vastly prefer the city elves. I'm just curious as to everyone's opinions of the Dalish after the revelation at the temple in the end of Inquisition - does it change your opinion of them? Did you ever like them to begin with? Or if you love the Dalish and think they are justified I would love to hear your reasoning.
TL;DR - what is your personal opinion of the Dalish elves, in light of the revelation at Mythal's Temple in Inquisition?
Anybody whose interaction with me is chiefly about using me as some kind of external boogeyman against which they can compare themselves so they can fuel their pet identity construction doesn't sit well with me. If they aren't willing to interact with me as if I'm a person and not a concept, I'm certainly not going to extend them the same courtesy. Ironically for the Dalish, their behavior just creates a self-fulfilling prophecy as their treatment of external people usually just makes those people defensive and defensive people usually lump sum their aggressors. Nice never-ending bigotry circle they are helping to shore up there.
I think the Dalish are the most actively bigoted group in Thedas I've encountered so far. Most people in Thedas just go along with institutionalized bigotry without actively promotely it. The Dalish consistently and actively *work* through stories and lore to maintain bigotry as a central part of their worldview. "Us vs. them" is what it means to be Dalish. It's literally what their entire culture is based on.
Anybody whose interaction with me is chiefly about using me as some kind of external boogeyman against which they can compare themselves so they can fuel their pet identity construction doesn't sit well with me. If they aren't willing to interact with me as if I'm a person and not a concept, I'm certainly not going to extend them the same courtesy. Ironically for the Dalish, their behavior just creates a self-fulfilling prophecy as their treatment of external people usually just makes those people defensive and defensive people usually lump sum their aggressors.
Well said. How are they any different than people saying all (insert race or nationality) are racist and evil for what their ancestors did to them in the past?
Especially when a lot of the reason the Dalish are where they are is because of themselves.
I think the Dalish are the most actively bigoted group in Thedas I've encountered so far. Most people in Thedas just go along with institutionalized bigotry without actively promotely it. The Dalish consistently and actively *work* through stories and lore to maintain bigotry as a central part of their worldview. "Us vs. them" is what it means to be Dalish. It's literally what their entire culture is based on.
At the second edited in part, I actually completely get this us vs them mentality. I mean, it's ignorant, but it's good for survival. I understand it, but unfortunately for them, I'm a fan of the Andrastian humans. Whose God is pretty much well confirmed to be real, for those saying that the Andrastians are invalidated on this forum. Rather obvious in Origins, and especially now with Leliana. And an empty throne is still a throne, lol. Someone had to sit in it.
Anyway, like I said, I'm a human. So when you hold an us vs them mentality, so must I, which is why I largely say "**** 'em".
Did you play the city elf origin in DAO? The PC's mother is a rogue who gets into a violent confrontation with humans. In the return to the alienage, you encounter a bunch of city elves beating up a human who's strayed into the alienage. So yeah. Your argument is kind of weak.
Fair point. Yes I did play the origin several times. My intention was to explain why fans might prefer the City Elves to the Dalish but I had a misstep.
The point of contention is that the Dalish hold on to their past too much to these fans, often to the point of romanticizing what they don't really understand or aren't very knowledgeable of just because it happens to be a Dalish *something*. This sometimes leads to feelings of bigotry towards City Elves(We are the last of the Elven) and Humans. City Elves are felt as more admirable because they try to live with their current situation to the best, as opposed to how the Dalish act bitter about how much they lost. Yes. City Elves can hate humans just as much as the Dalish, but again this is seen as more understandable because the Dalish are perceived aa inviting all negative attitudes to themselves.
Fair point. Yes I did play the origin several times. My intention was to explain why fans might prefer the City Elves to the Dalish but I had a misstep.
The point of contention is that the Dalish hold on to their past too much to these fans, often to the point of romanticizing what they don't really understand or aren't very knowledgeable of just because it happens to be a Dalish *something*. This sometimes leads to feelings of bigotry towards City Elves(We are the last of the Elven) and Humans. City Elves are felt as more admirable because they try to live with their current situation to the best, as opposed to how the Dalish act bitter about how much they lost. Yes. City Elves can hate human just as much as the Dalish, but again this is seen as more understandable because the Dalish are perceived aa inviting all negative attitudes to themselves.
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