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[Colonelkillabee]

Somehow, I find a new Arlathan to be a bad idea, since it wasn't this Disneyland place Dalish believe it to be.

From what we know, we have these ancient elves, where the elite were way too eager to brand their slaves with the markings of the gods they worshiped. Them slapping their faces with blood is expected, but what about their slaves?

 

I think each god had its own city or whatever. And maybe once Mythal died, Arlathan fell as well since they had no god to protect it.

 

They need to move on and learn from their past.

It's called a New Arlathan for a reason No one says they have to copy the old one. They don't even know what the old one was truly like, only the ideal that they built behind it. Anything's better than sitting on ass in the alienage, or getting kicked around like a dog and whining about it.

 

If the Tevinter and their ilk can have a kingdom, there's no reason elves couldn't.

 

With less slaves, hopefully, but I'm no idealist. Like the rest, New Arlathan will have something negative about it.

[herkles]

Somehow, I find a new Arlathan to be a bad idea, since it wasn't this Disneyland place Dalish believe it to be.

From what we know, we have these ancient elves, where the elite were way too eager to brand their slaves with the markings of the gods they worshiped. Them slapping their faces with blood is expected, but what about their slaves?

 

I think each god had its own city or whatever. And maybe once Mythal died, Arlathan fell as well since they had no god to protect it.

 

They need to move on and learn from their past.

But a new Arlathan can not be the same as old Arlathan. Asuming that they ask for all elves both dalish and city, and perhaps even qunari elves, to come. You are going to have different ideas and different faiths. You won't have the same arlathan because the elves of the current age have a different culture then the elves of the past, even if they might look back to it, they are not them. and a new elven kingdom would reflect the modern elves, city and dalish alike. 

[Vit246]

The difference is that there aren't still bands of Lakota wandering around the Great Plains chasing away people with bows and arrows who get "too close."  Most Native Americans also don't default to calling all non-native Americans something that amounts to "dirty outsider" to their face as a standard form of address either.  

 

Not all Dalish clans do that. (god I hate this type of phrase)

 

Also, you sure about that? Whats that one word i'm looking for..... Wasi'chu?

[Master Race]

I've always found elves in Dragon Age to be pathetic though from what we learn in Inquisition the ancient elves sound pretty cool. I still don't like the Dalish.

[Colonelkillabee]

Actually, now that I think about it, it doesn't even have to be a kingdom. I'm not a fan of pushing liberal ideas on a fantasy setting, especially since it doesn't really work as well as people like to pretend it does, but with the system of clans and their keepers, they might make the closest thing to a democracy in Dragon Age if they have a new nation.

 

Qunari have communism basically, so it's not like modern ideas aren't already in the story.

 

edit: Not what I'm pushing for, but just pointing out something that might turn out.

[MoonDrummer]

The difference is that there aren't still bands of Lakota wandering around the Great Plains chasing away people with bows and arrows who get "too close." Most Native Americans also don't default to calling all non-native Americans something that amounts to "dirty outsider" to their face as a standard form of address either.

Another difference being that the dalish live in a fantasy medieval world, were death is much more common and shooting people with arrows doesn't result in apache helicopters coming after you.

[Scerene]

 

...Seriously, you people are ridicoulous. Is it so impossible to stop coddling the d-bags and simply accept, maybe, just maybe they are in fact douches? But no, that can't happen innit? Bloody hell.
 

No, it is no retcon. Unless you can provide previous, exact, proven lore (which means no 3rd person narative, but actual documentation in writing or a first person account that says elves keep all the mages they have it isn't a retcon at all.
 

They live in a world that hates them for a reason. They are the people that isolated themselves, then sparked a 10 ten year war via an act of utter stupidty and then spends the next few hundred years roaming the countryside with a chip on their shoulder. Hell, some clans killed human for no reason at all.

And yes, the are in fact codexes of Elves attacking trade caravans for supplies and killing people.

Seriously, like them if you must, but the level of...you know what, forget it.

actually in a codex entry that you find in a villa in the emerald graves?, it is heavily implied that attack on the orlesian town was mispresented and an inside job, the orleasians wanted that area and  It also brings up all the benefits of Orlais owning it, of which there are many.  Ive suspected all along that this would be the case tbh. I find it bizarre that people hate them so much considering the treatment that the elves have endured. Yes they fucked up with infighting, but later on they were enslaved, then given false hope,  massacred and enslaved again. Just look at how humans treat city elves, and the way they talk about them. Rabbit, knife-ears, lazy savages that dont understand their place etc etc. A human mating with an elf, the child is considered garbage etc. Celene had an entire alienage purged, and didnt Michel slaughter city elves as part of a chevalier initation thing? Isnt that part of the chevalier initiation, to kill elves? people call me a ******, but there seems to be something very disturbing about many DA fans,rooting for oppressive behavior and slaughtering oppressed people, liking murderers who kill the weak etc. Its funny how on this forum the elves are held to a standard of sainthood and everything they do is an excuse to enslave and/or slaughter them, while humans get away scot free and are celebrated for their behavior. Michel deserves even worse than he got, its a shame i couldnt torture and kill him myself for what he has done and represents. He also pretends to be entirely human, and is a self-hating racist. I want to clarify that i do not condone oppressive behavior/evil/murders toward people that are helpless and weak, and will fight for their rights, but people who deliberately perpetuate oppressive institutions are free game for me. Seeing Celene die was very satisfying. Briala isnt perfect, but she is doing her best to help her people, and herself inside a system that seeks to destroy her and her efforts at every turn.

[Chari]

The difference is that there aren't still bands of Lakota wandering around the Great Plains chasing away people with bows and arrows who get "too close." Most Native Americans also don't default to calling all non-native Americans something that amounts to "dirty outsider" to their face as a standard form of address either.

The difference is that nowadays being a native american doesn't automatically by law means being a second-class citizen
Thedas is akin to medieval times, nowadays in modern age we have different life style and all. You might as well ask why don't they use guns instead of bows
A more appropriate example would be America during slavery age, or medieval Europe. Just replace the dalish with african or jewish folk

[herkles]

Actually, now that I think about it, it doesn't even have to be a kingdom. I'm not a fan of pushing liberal ideas on a fantasy setting, especially since it doesn't really work as well as people like to pretend it does, but with the system of clans and their keepers, they might make the closest thing to a democracy in Dragon Age if they have a new nation.

 

Qunari have communism basically, so it's not like modern ideas aren't already in the story.

There were republics in the middle ages, generally they were city states within either Italy or Germany. It could be something like an elective monarchy, ala poland-Lithuania. It really depends on what sort of leaders rise to lead the people to this new country. 

[MoonDrummer]

No, but it can result in Exalted Marches.

you can't have an exalted march against homeless people, I don't think the chantry would care too much about a few dead peasents either.

[MoonDrummer]

This is a weird tangential argument to be on. I'm honestly not even sure what your point is. Is your argument that the Dalish do this because they don't fear retaliation?

Templars or soldiers can (and still are) sent out after them. There's also just impromptu mobs to consider. In fact, doesn't that very thing happen in DAO when you chase those humans away? Later the Keeper says that a mob of villagers is coming or something?

I don't know my own point to be honest.
It was just banter?

[Colonelkillabee]

There were republics in the middle ages, generally they were city states within either Italy or Germany. It could be something like an elective monarchy, ala poland-Lithuania. It really depends on what sort of leaders rise to lead the people to this new country. 

I called it modern mainly because it still exists, but anyway, I hope whatever they build doesn't resemble the roman republic.

[Colonelkillabee]

I called it modern mainly because it still exists, but anyway, I hope whatever they build doesn't resemble the roman republic.

Then again, we still do have monarchs.

[Chari]

I think the most accurate example would be some people descended from an actual nation-state that dissolved due to warfare and are now in diaspora. In this case, Jews seems fairly accurate. But even that's not completely accurate. The Jews didn't change from a sedentary culture into a tribal hunter-gatherer one overnight.

I doubt the dalish became nomads after a single day. It kind of takes time to pack things and collectively agree to do sth
Still even devs said that elved are based on the jews. At least the alienages are, jewish ghettos

[Colonelkillabee]

I think the most accurate example would be some people descended from an actual nation-state that dissolved due to warfare and are now in diaspora. In this case, Jews seems fairly accurate.  But even that's not completely accurate.  The Jews didn't change from a sedentary culture into a tribal hunter-gatherer one overnight.  

It also depends on which "Jews" we're talking about. Contrary to popular belief, they weren't the same race throughout history. Their name was stolen. But that's a whole different thing.

[herkles]

I called it modern mainly because it still exists, but anyway, I hope whatever they build doesn't resemble the roman republic.

I don't want it to look like the roman republic because that would take away from Tevinter.

 

Though I like to imagine it would be some form of monarchy.

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't want it to look like the roman republic because that would take away from Tevinter.

 

Though I like to imagine it would be some form of monarchy.

Lol true

[MoonDrummer]

Yea, I'm being hyperbolic. I more meant that they made a radical cultural shift from a sedentary civilization to hunter-gatherers as a result of their nation-state being dissolved by enemies. As far as I know, there's no precedent for this in history. It seems like their should be, but heck if I can think of one.

Maybe the tribes that fled from the Huns into western Rome, kind off.