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[snackrat]

I'm more interested in the Chasind tribe, to be honest. That's where the shapeshifters are.

[Cypher0020]

Imagie being an avvar or a chasind mage.........

 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

You could summon a Goat.

[chr0n0mancer]

Imagie being an avvar or a chasind mage.........
 

Imagine having both, the chasind shapeshifts into a goat, and the avvar throws him/her into an enemy!

[Cypher0020]

LOLOL

 

combo attack! The ultimate limit break

[atamajakki]

I've wanted playable Avvar ever since I heard about the Human Barbarian origin getting cut. Sadly, there's little reason for an Avvar to be involved with the plot if we're headed north in the next game. Damn shame, but we'll have to live with the terrible tabletop game to tide us over.

[Maverick827]

 

These guys rock.

 

Are they naturally blurry as a people?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

yeah i noticed that just now. it wasnt blurry when i coppy'd it.

[Draining Dragon]

Do want Avvar ladies.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[NaclynE]

Might be interesting to look into. I was kind of thinking of that as being a new possible race myself after meeting that one avvar guy in the mire and the leader guy who tossed goats.

 

I kind of think playing under Venatori would be kind of cool too.

 

I still miss city elf.

[Giantdeathrobot]

The problem is that historical nomadic groups could do this anyway. Most such societies existed in close relationships with the sedentary societies nearby. For example, the various steppe tribes of Central Asia depended on trade with China: they possessed military-bred horses and jade, and Chinese imperial governments would exchange these for other foodstuffs, gear, clothing, and tokens of rank. Bedouin groups did (and still do) the exact same thing. Romani are notorious for the particular, um, flavor of their interactions with sedentary peoples even in the modern world.

Poor sedentary "barbarian" societies close to richer ones had a similar dynamic; the various groups near the official Roman borders on the Rhine and Danube were as closely tied into the Roman patronage/power network as were many Roman generals and aristocrats.

Naturally, wars between "civilized" and "barbarian" also happened, and they happened a lot. They were often brutal and savage, and "barbarian" raids were undoubtedly a terrifying experience for anybody caught in one...as were the attacks of "civilized" peoples on "barbarian" homes. But when discussing, say, Rome's wars against the peoples outside its borders, it's instructive to remember Rome's wars against the peoples inside its borders. The latter were no less common, and a good deal bloodier; "barbarians" were weaker and less capable of defending themselves from attack, so they were a better target for, say, slave raids. And too much of this kind of war could be devastating for the "barbarians". In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the Khalkha Mongols and the Zuunyar khanate were forced to come to terms with the Qing Empire on multiple occasions because they were simply running out of basic necessities like, y'know, food, that they could only get through the usual state-sanctioned border post trade. (Smuggling wasn't enough to make up the difference.) The American military used the same methods against the steppe-dwelling groups in its own frontier lands in the nineteenth century, with considerable success.

This isn't an endorsement of the "noble savage" or anything like that. That trope is just as stupid and wrong. Life is marginal outside of "civilized" sedentary societies, and the people who live there are often brutal and uncompromising. But the people who live inside those sedentary societies can be equally brutal, and it doesn't romanticize the peoples who live on the margins to point out that they are far weaker than the might that a "civilized" society can bring to bear. They have less, so they must trade for more...and in the process, rely on their relationship with "civilized" society.

The portrayal of these "ambassador" types as unusual - with bizarre, barely-sane savages like Movran the Under as the norm - is another fictional trope, a byproduct of old, bad historical generalization based on what was, essentially, the propaganda of "civilized" peoples. The two groups were, of course, different, with different cultures and values, but if the "barbarian" peoples had not been able to operate with the same frame of reference, they would have died out or left to go find some "civilized" peoples that they could interact with more easily.

 

I'm not sure how Movran is portrayed as barely sane? He threw a goat at Skyhold because it's what his customs demanded, he didn't seem particularily happy doing it. The fandom just kinda ran away with this one because it was hilarious.

 

Besides, he thinks the whole idea of fighting the Inquisition is ridiculous and knows when to fold 'em. He does have a idgaf attitude, but he didn't seem like an idiot to me. He was probably smarter than the majority of the people who oppose the Inquisitor.

[herkles]

I'm not sure how Movran is portrayed as barely sane? He threw a goat at Skyhold because it's what his customs demanded, he didn't seem particularily happy doing it. The fandom just kinda ran away with this one because it was hilarious.

 

Besides, he thinks the whole idea of fighting the Inquisition is ridiculous and knows when to fold 'em. He does have a idgaf attitude, but he didn't seem like an idiot to me. He was probably smarter than the majority of the people who oppose the Inquisitor.

also if the foppish noble from the templar mission is alive and you assign them together, I read that they become a diplamtic power-team.

 

As for the Avvar. I like them, I also love how their religion is the closest to mine(greek polytheism). As they worship a variety of gods and goddess from minor spirits to the Lady in the skies and Korth. I doubt we will be one ourselves in da4 but having one as a companion/LI would be cool.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

just semes cool. pluss the guy from yhe Mire looks like Ronan the Acuser. 

[Han Shot First]

We have yet to see the Avvar or Chasind in the games except for a few very minor characters who only utter a couple lines of dialogue at most. So on that note, I hope we get one as a full time companion in the next game. 

 

 

[SandiKay0]

I think I'd like a fog warrior compainion, who could teach me his fighting style.

[Imryll]

If the plan is to head north, I'm not sure a southern tribesman would really fit. I'd rather have companions with insight into local conditions. It's not that I'm really opposed, just not seeing the why of it.

[BloodyTalon]

So long has we can't get codex entries when playing one, remember reading is weakness!

[AzureAardvark]

Are they naturally blurry as a people?

 

Avvar stealth haze.

[Han Shot First]

I think a Chasind Shaman (mage) could be fun.

 

For some reason I've got this mental image of a less campy Sulik w/o with the Jamaican accent.

 

[eyezonlyii]

I would suggest fog warrior since we're going north

[Aimi]

I'm not sure how Movran is portrayed as barely sane? He threw a goat at Skyhold because it's what his customs demanded, he didn't seem particularily happy doing it. The fandom just kinda ran away with this one because it was hilarious.
 
Besides, he thinks the whole idea of fighting the Inquisition is ridiculous and knows when to fold 'em. He does have a idgaf attitude, but he didn't seem like an idiot to me. He was probably smarter than the majority of the people who oppose the Inquisitor.

 
He's a chief; either he went with his tribe (a preposterous reason to uproot everybody and wander into the high mountains) or he left his tribe, purely for the sake of throwing a goat at the ramparts and getting taken into custody. Barely-sane might be stretching it a bit, yeah, but bizarre certainly fits, and either way it was a dumb decision. Sending emissaries to disavow the son and come to some sort of agreement with the Inquisition would make sense; beginning negotiations by giving personal submission is strange.

That he is smart enough not to fight the Inquisition is clear, but his method of showing it is ludicrous and clearly played for laughs. If it is in accordance with his people's customs, then that just makes his people look ludicrous and laughable. I'm not sure how that is an improvement.

Look, I thought it was hilarious too. I like a laugh as much as the next girl. But if we're going to do something centered on barbarians, it would be nice to get outside the stereotypes.
 

also if the foppish noble from the templar mission is alive and you assign them together, I read that they become a diplamtic power-team.

The Movran-Abernache team gives an operation that is arguably even funnier than Movran in person.

[AzureAardvark]

The Movran-Abernache team gives an operation that is arguably even funnier than Movran in person.

 

What's the setup for that? Doing first time Templar play through atm.

[Han Shot First]

If there is an Avvar companion in a future game, I hope they get Mark Lewis Jones to voice him.

 

For those unfamiliar with him, he voiced Letho in The Witcher 2 and Shagga son of Dolf in Game of Thrones.