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[Biotic Flash Kick]

my evil run: he serves until he dies

 

all my other runs: Atone and be yourself 

[Korva]

Used Josie to get him free -- it felt like the least objectionable option -- and then gave him his freedom to atone as he willed. As the Inquisitor says, there's nothing simple about it: he needs to decide who he is, with no lies to protect him or bonds to hold him aside from his own conscience. If he's worthy of his promo title "The Resolve", he'll serve well, but the trust of the people who called him friend will be a challenge to earn again.

 

My first/canon, faithful Andrastian Inquisitor is pretty big on the whole "second chances for people who seek them and even for people who are too broken to seek them" thing, but often with an edge of hard words and heavy expectations to shake them up and remind them that real atonement is hard work instead of a get-out-of-jail-free card. She usually leaves the gentler approach to the resident spirit of compassion, who is much better at that sort of thing anyway ... and who, especially as more of a spirit, has some touching banters with Blackwall that I wouldn't want to miss out on.

[Captain_Crunch]

I stopped recruiting him after my first playthrough.  Same with Viv.  If only I had the option of not recruiting Solas I'd be golden.

[Nefla]

I took him back using Josephine's connections. He was my LI after all, but he was also truly repentant (unlike Anders in DA2 who I always kill).

[Vicious]

I hate this guy so much. Not only did he lie and fail to turn himself into the Wardens after Blackwall died (to save his own skin from the Wardens who might blame him) when I challenged him about how he murdered children he callously asserted that in a different situation someone would get a medal for it.

 

Like that somehow justified it.

 

 

I'm only mad Bioware didn't give me the chance to execute him myself. I sent him to the Wardens with the 'if you die, good riddance' dialogue, but I really really REALLY wanted to kill him myself, and unfortunately he was pleased by the opportunity to join them. This worm justifies his past actions over and over and then admits they're unjustifiable then goes and justifies it some more. The guy was literally just one excuse after another. 

 

 

I still recruit him though because he's a good character. I don't recruit Viv anymore, I'm just indifferent and while I agree with her about the Circles, listening to her talk to Sera makes her sound like she's practically a villain.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I conscript him because its the only one that comes even close to a punishment. 

 

Leaving him in jail to die isn't a punishment because it is what he wants. 

Likewise sending him to the Wardens isn't a punishment because again it is what he wants. 

Letting him go without any punishment at all obviously isn't a punishment. 

 

That just leaves doing the same thing we can do to Sten in Origins and keep him in our custody. 

[Feranel]

Banish him with the Wardens when we finish the Abyss, what's all this about a revelation?

 

Jkjk

 

I did that on one playthrough though, no muss, no fuss, "All Wardens, OUT, even you Blarkwall."

[Eelectrica]

Blackwall acted like any Orlesian- Even if he's not a native, didn't take long for him act like a native. Murder is kind of the national sport there afterall.

First two playthroughs I freed him so he can get redemption.

3rd time I freed him, but decided he should really be a Warden instead of pretending to be one.

[Saberchic]

My first run, I was playing a very forgiving type of character, so I let him free to atone.

 

My 2nd run is with a character a little more wary, so she will offer him to the wardens to judge after they are done.

 

My more hardened guy will let him rot for what he did.

[Qunquistador]

I hate this guy so much. Not only did he lie and fail to turn himself into the Wardens after Blackwall died (to save his own skin from the Wardens who might blame him) when I challenged him about how he murdered children he callously asserted that in a different situation someone would get a medal for it.

 

Like that somehow justified it.

That struck me, too. If you take the time to question him in prison, he's all over the place. He starts off sounding sorry for himself, then he quickly makes a noble excuse for stealing a dead man's identity. Question him further about what he did and he doesn't sound sorry at all for the victims.  In fact he sounds as if he'd sleep well at night if Gaspard would have come out on top and rewarded him for his efforts.

 

He compares his men to yours, but if you respond that your cause is noble while his was for money he tells you that it's no different, as if anyone could kill defenseless children under the right circumstance. According to him they're war casualties he isn't really responsible for. And If he thinks that, then there's truly no way he can ever see how what he did was especially horrific. 

 

Clearly, he wants to be a big hero, but it's for selfish reasons. It's like that story he tells about helping the barmaid. He comes to her rescue, but only because he's getting something out of it by doing so - more beer. His intentions aren't noble, even if he can twist them to look and sound like they are, just like most smart criminals can. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I let him off scot-free because I am shamelessly corrupt when it comes to my inner-circle.

[sandalisthemaker]

Why waste such a powerful ally?

 

He was already doing what he could to make up for what he did.

 

My Inquisitor never knew this "Thom" guy.

 

But he did know the brave warrior that was pretty much the rock of the group while out on the field.

 

He knew the guy who inspired the Grey Wardens at Adamant to snap the hell out of it and do the right thing.

 

He knew the guy who freaking saved his life when they first met by blocking that arrow with his shield. 

 

Blackwall stays with the Inquisition. There can be no other way for me. 

[Thane4Ever]

I still don't understand those who love Zevran yet hate Blackwall for his crime.  So many murderers in these Dragon Age games if you really think about it.

 

I've freed him to atone and also given him to the Wardens.  I also did the "your ass is mine" choice but he was so hateful to me afterward, I had to reload.  I have a real hard time playing "evil" in Dragon Age.

[Saberchic]

I still don't understand those who love Zevran yet hate Blackwall for his crime.  So many murderers in these Dragon Age games if you really think about it.

 

I've freed him to atone and also given him to the Wardens.  I also did the "your ass is mine" choice but he was so hateful to me afterward, I had to reload.  I have a real hard time playing "evil" in Dragon Age.

I don't get why he is so hostile after that choice. I also don't get why he has a hostile tone when you free him to atone, but I know it's really bad if you tell him to keep living the lie. He was already doing it; I don't see why making him keep it up is a problem for him.

[Dean_the_Young]

I conscript him because its the only one that comes even close to a punishment. 

 

Leaving him in jail to die isn't a punishment because it is what he wants. 

Likewise sending him to the Wardens isn't a punishment because again it is what he wants. 

Letting him go without any punishment at all obviously isn't a punishment. 

 

That just leaves doing the same thing we can do to Sten in Origins and keep him in our custody. 

If you're going to argue that someone who wants to be punished isn't really being punished (because they find it desirable), that same logic of basing 'punishment' off of the subject's desires can also be used to imply that the 'no punishment at all' would, in fact, be a punishment. Blackwall at that point pretty clearly wants to be held to account, somehow- not taking any action would deny him what he wants, ergo a punishment.

 

 

Personally I think the 'what the subject wants' line of thought is misleading- justice shouldn't be a matter of sadism to inflict discomfort for its own sake, because that puts the perpetrator at the center with the power of what is 'bad' rather than the society judging it, and we should encourage people to accept the legitimacy and morality of punishments deserved. As fun as karmic revenge fantasies can be from an emotional perspective, I don't think they should dictate matters of justice.

[Dean_the_Young]

 I let him off scot-free because I am shamelessly corrupt when it comes to my inner-circle.

 

You know, I'm trying to remember the last time that Bioware didn't give us a murderer as a companion we were supposed to find sympathetic and root for.

 

Mass Effect had Wrex (professional murderer for hire), Jack (convicted murderer), and Garrus (who quit his job to kill strangers on Omega because he felt they deserved it). In DA2 we had Anders and Fenris who both attempt and/or commit murder under iffy circumstances, and our introduction to Sebastian (the most goody-two-shoes of the cast) is when he puts a murder bounty on a chantry board with an arrow. DAO obviously had Zevran and Leliana and possibly Shale. Jade Empire had the Black Tornado.

 

I'll happily admit that the DA team at least tries to make their acts of murder a bit more controversial than the ME team did, but they also tended to use the ******* victim or ideology cards that made them a lot less controversial in practice. When I got around to Blackwall's quest, I was honestly more surprised they were making a big deal out of it than the fact that it happened at all.

[LaughingBanana]

My Inquisitor romancing him forgave him but didn't want to accept him back as a partner.

 

It left a bad taste in her (well, my too) mouth that he didn't reveal himself to her even after they're committed to one another. ESPECIALLY since he chose to sleep with her before revealing the truth.

 

That's just unacceptable.

[Korva]

That struck me, too. If you take the time to question him in prison, he's all over the place.

 

He has some lines there that are very grating, the whole blather about "it's how war works" -- yes, he's painfully right about that, but that doesn't make it any less wrong, and he bloody well knows it too. It really flies in the face of the remorse and anguish he shows otherwise and created an impression of being more sorry for ruining his own life than for having a family butchered.

 

On the other hand, I didn't mind the comparisons to me too much because he's right about that, too. Corruption and abuse of power are huge themes in this game, and the Inquisition and its leader could easily go down that path if they don't question and examine themselves constantly.

 

You know, I'm trying to remember the last time that Bioware didn't give us a murderer as a companion we were supposed to find sympathetic and root for.

 

You forgot HK-47 and Canderous from KotOR. It's a rather annoying tendency, yes, especially when the murderer also plays comic relief as HK does. If nothing else, at least Blackwall's story is a big step up from that (very low bar) because he at least shows remorse and wants to change.

[Eldial3los]

Where is the choice for rewarding him for pulling that scam off for so many years.

I actually liked him more after knowing what he did. It was ingenious and creative. Plus points in my book.

The only thing I did not like was his remorse. It was such a downer and who cares the warden was dead anyways.

[Jaydo]

I am admittedly very late to the party and I know I may be giving this way more meaning than the writers did, so I apologize for digging up this thread but it seems to be THE thread for this issue and I need to share my thoughts here since none of my friends play Inquisition (anymore). This matter is so far the only thing in DA:I that actually caught me off guard and made me think twice.

 

Based on the game's writing and the conveniently placed Amulet of Power incentive, the game seemingly wants me to believe that this guy is changing and becoming a better man and therefore should be granted rescue. I disagree. The flaw in his character that actually matters has not changed. Just like before, this man continues to act irresponsibly, on a whim. I understand that he has done some sh*t in his past. We are all murderers with questionable pasts. I also understand that he could not tell me the truth when I first met him, but after he joined and learned what was at stake, he continued to withhold this political time-bomb. And that's fine, he could have also continued the lie until our mission was over, but instead he went public in order to satisfy his feelings of guilt, knowing full well what kind of damage that could do to the carefully built relationship of the Inquisition with the Fren....Orlesians and other parties. I realised that this guy can never again be trusted because at some crucial moment in the future he will again decide to do what he feels like. And I had just crafted a new sword for this dude...damn it.

[GoldenGail3]

Be bored as all heck.. No changes about boredom throughout his personal quest. He's still boring.

[Wulfram]

You know, I'm trying to remember the last time that Bioware didn't give us a murderer as a companion we were supposed to find sympathetic and root for.
 
Mass Effect had Wrex (professional murderer for hire), Jack (convicted murderer), and Garrus (who quit his job to kill strangers on Omega because he felt they deserved it). In DA2 we had Anders and Fenris who both attempt and/or commit murder under iffy circumstances, and our introduction to Sebastian (the most goody-two-shoes of the cast) is when he puts a murder bounty on a chantry board with an arrow. DAO obviously had Zevran and Leliana and possibly Shale. Jade Empire had the Black Tornado.
 
I'll happily admit that the DA team at least tries to make their acts of murder a bit more controversial than the ME team did, but they also tended to use the ******* victim or ideology cards that made them a lot less controversial in practice. When I got around to Blackwall's quest, I was honestly more surprised they were making a big deal out of it than the fact that it happened at all.

I don't think any of our protagonists are really in a position to turn up their noses at Garrus' vigilantism. They've at best got a tissue paper veil of legality over their own extra-judicial killings.

[AlanC9]

Extra-judicial, but not "murder." Is it even possible for a Spectre to commit "murder"? Come to think of it, is murder a thing on Omega?

Though Shepards without Spectre status can commit plenty of murder in ME2.

We can go even further back with murderer companions. KotOR had, of course, HK-47, and Canderous might count too depending on how we evaluate his merc work. HotU's Nathyrra was an assassin. In the BG games, Edwin's trying to murder Dynaheir from his first appearance and Korgan's got plenty of murder in his backstory. But I'm not sure we're supposed to "root for" all of these.

[Wulfram]

Spectre status can only really grant legality to actions within Council space, I'd have thought. So most of ME2 wouldn't really count.

But really I'm arguing that the government granting impunity to its henchmen doesn't make a moral difference. And I wouldn't say that the Inquisition's claim to authorisation by a dead Divine makes much of one either.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Thom Rainer was a Grey Warden neophyte,he was being taken by Blackwall to become an official Greywarden when he came down with a bad case of death,in my opinion he was the property of the Greywardens and they would ultimately decide his fate. The Inquisition merely had him on loan until the cloudy with a chance of demons had ended.