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[Quaddis]

You can do that other ways, if you feel that strongly.

 

Just being some random dude, taking a religion of millions over by force.. that's pretty fucked up. Especially when it isn't even your religion. Divine "Heretic". Not a believer. Just some meddler.

 

Why random dude? Andraste did it by force also.  I don't need to kill everyone. Obviously there would be significant part of people who think like the Inquisitor and decide to support him in this. Poor people first. I can see also how you could do it trough scheming too. No need to kill thousands of poor people that were conscripted by some noble(who prob stayed at home to rape their wives), to fight your army. 
You act with purpose and you are not gonna be stopped by some people clinging to what at that time are remnants of the old system that gave them power.

[Fardreamer]

Why random dude? Andraste did it by force also.  I don't need to kill everyone. Obviously there would be significant part of people who think like the Inquisitor and decide to support him in this. Poor people first. I can see also how you could do it trough scheming too. No need to kill thousands of poor people that were conscripted by some noble(who prob stayed at home to rape their wives), to fight your army. 
You act with purpose and you are not gonna be stopped by some people clinging to what at that time are remnants of the old system that gave them power.

Actually, Andraste didn't spread the chant of light. She was just fighting for freedom against Tevinter. The Chant was developed after her death. The Seekers of the first Inquisition were the one who spread it by force.

[Quaddis]

She at least believes in the Chant of Light. She's the leader of the loyalist fraternity as well. She sided with the Chantry when she had nothing to gain by it. And she's the only person besides Cass who gives high approval for speaking in favor of Chantry based ideas, or saying you'll make the Inquisition for "Faith". 

 

Well...my "evil" inquisitor could also believe in Chant of Light. There is actually in game a option for inquisitor to say does he believe or not.

[Quaddis]

Actually, Andraste didn't spread the chant of light. She was just fighting for freedom against Tevinter. The Chant was developed after her death. The Seekers of the first Inquisition were the one who spread it by force.

 

That actually works for me even better. Thank you nice man.

[Quaddis]

It would have changed the world too much, and given too much variance in world states from player to player, for them to be able to write the next game.

 

In Bioware fashion, that could make DA4 game 5 years after, and Inquisition got slapped silly by united armies of Nevarra, Anderfels, Free Marches and Antiva.
And then Navarra did almost the same thing as you did and installed puppet divine. They will call you Anti-Divine. 

Tevinter is ROFL.

[The Baconer]

She at least believes in the Chant of Light. [...] And she's the only person besides Cass who gives high approval for speaking in favor of things like Chantry based, or saying you'll make the Inquisition for "Faith".

 

So? I don't see how a genuine belief in the Chant would preclude someone from taking the Sunburst Throne due to a lust for power (again, literally Vivienne), or the desire to govern holy doctrine. One could even lie about their belief in the Maker to appear more legitimate.

 

I'm sure whether Vivienne truly believes or not matters little to the overwhelming majority of the Chant's believers. Her violent response to all rebellion is a straight-up invalidation of one of the Maker's commandments. She's pretty much a Black Divine.... In more ways than one hyuk hyuk.

 

She's the leader of the loyalist fraternity as well. She sided with the Chantry when she had nothing to gain by it.

 

On the contrary: in rebellion, she stood to gain nothing. In siding with the Chantry, she stood to gain everything, and does if she is made Divine.

[omgodzilla]

People like you are the reason we can't have decapitation stock animation anymore.

 

I wasn't aware that I was partly responsible for that. I love decapitating people. Please explain what it is I did exactly, so that I may redeem myself. 

[SomberXIII]

Why not? I already decapitated her once. A few tears won't seem like much at this point. 

...................................

 

People like you are the reason we can't have decapitation stock animation anymore.

This.

[The Baconer]

Yes, because she knew an Ancient Magister would blow up the Conclave, kill the Divine, and some random person with a glowy hand would help form an Inquisition. All part of her master plan, eh?

 

Yeah hindsight is 20/20. Even so, what does the rebellion have to offer her? There was no percentage in it. Regardless of which way the Conclave could have gone, her loyalty to the Chantry means she is going to be in the good graces of the nobility, the ruler of Orlais, the grand clerics, and the Divine. From her position, there was nowhere to go but up, and the only thing that could have changed that would have been some totally cataclysmic, world-changing event.

 

Of course, and event of that variety does in fact occur, but it actually improves her station.

[Quaddis]

Yes, because she knew an Ancient Magister would blow up the Conclave, kill the Divine, and some random person with a glowy hand would help form an Inquisition. All part of her master plan, eh?

 

I understand she isn't that likeable, but you're taking it a bit far.

 

She was just dealt good hand and played it well. Nothing villainous in that.

[Ghost_of_Zap]

Why not? I already decapitated her once. A few tears won't seem like much at this point. 

 

There's a difference between killing a character and prolonging their suffering for the sake of it. Then again i just kinda sat there and watched for a while when Fetch finally got a hold of Shane at the end of Infamous First Light so i suppose i can't talk. 

[The Baconer]

I think the world was a mess.. she and Fiona are both gambling. I don't think anyone knew who'd come out on top. Remember that Justinia herself was friendlier to mages than Vivienne prefers too.. she could have very well sided with Fiona, if she lived.

 

But what would that even mean? Even if Justinia "sided" with Fiona, Vivienne and her group of mages certainly wouldn't be punished or have their careers hindered in any way; they would be looked upon with endearment for their loyalty and their orderly conduct. Not to mention that the mages were apparently losing the war, so sticking it out with the Chantry is pretty much the safest bet she could have made.

[The Baconer]

Not much to gain, not much to lose. It's still not a master plan, if you ask me. It's just a survival plan. Not a power play.

 

Her fortune begins because of us (if you are so inclined).

 

Not true. Like I said, regardless of which way the Conclave went, it will strengthen her position at court. In most foreseeable outcomes, it will strengthen her position within the Circle as well. She has fortunes aplenty regardless of our (the Inquisition's) existence, but with us, she can become something greater than any king or empress in Southern Thedas, in total opposition to Chantry doctrine and conventional belief.

[TheLittleBird]

Why, BSN?

 

Why do you keep torturing me with things that could have been?

 

[omgodzilla]

 

People like you are the reason we can't have decapitation stock animation anymore.

 

 

This.

 

 

Lol, all I did was decapitate her. I'm not one of those people who complained about her coming back in DA2 if that's what you're thinking. I simply made a choice in a game revolved around making choices. I mean I guess I did screw over most of the people in Ferelden as I played the game but atleast I had fun   

[omgodzilla]

There's a difference between killing a character and prolonging their suffering for the sake of it. Then again i just kinda sat there and watched for a while when Fetch finally got a hold of Shane at the end of Infamous First Light so i suppose i can't talk. 

 

So I'll just decapitate her again and minimize her suffering. Problem solved.

[The Baconer]

That's the thing. It might be against Chantry doctrine, but not the Chant of Light. There's still a difference. And listen to Cassandra in the beginning at Roderick. She doesn't follow the Chantry either. But the principles on which the Chantry is founded: that is, the Chant of Light.

 

Chant of Light: Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.

 

Vivienne's rule:

"Given the name Divine Victoria, she is the first mage to hold the position - and the uproar is immediate."

"Three revolts follow in quick succession, and her response is immediate and vicious. For months, chaos reigns."

"To the surprise of many, she reinstates the Circle of Magi and creates a Templar Order firmly leashed to her hand."

"Mages rise quickly in the new Circle, having more freedom and responsibility then ever before - even if all true power lies with her."

 

It refutes the Chant of Light in the same manner that the Tevinter Divine refutes the Chant of Light.

 

 

Other than that, the original Inquisition set this current system in place. Not the Chantry. It's free to change it.

 

Oh? Isn't that the same hijacking of a religion with millions of followers that you were railing against on the last page? To what extent, exactly, are we allowed to change it before it becomes "humiliated and broken"?

 

 

As for the other stuff, I still disagree that it was power play to stick with the loyalists. I think she believes what she says. That magic is dangerous and must serve better purpose. And she still maintains that as Divine. There's no sign of her becoming like Tevinter.

 

Vivienne believes in what is best for Vivienne. Her personal beliefs regarding magic just happen to be convenient to this end.

 

While of course she won't try to turn southern Thedas into Tevinter (after all, why would she?), her position as Divine would make any Magister green with envy.

[Ghost_of_Zap]

So I'll just decapitate her again and minimize her suffering. Problem solved

 

Tis preferable but know this, she'll be back again eventually

[The Baconer]

I think you're projecting too much.

 

This statement makes absolutely no sense.