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[lynroy]

Yep. That part of the map that says Oklahoma? In reality, it's just a deep, endless chasm that leads to a darker, twisted place. The government made up Oklahoma, the lamest sounding state, to keep people away from the madness pit, lest they wake what sleeps within.

Well, sh*t....

[Natureguy85]

Wait, Oklahoma is a myth?!? I've been lied to!

 

Years ago, Jay Leno read a story where a man was given a ticket for fake license plates... because the officer said there was no such state as West Virginia. Fortunately for him, the story said a court determined there was in fact a state of West Virginia, so the ticket was thrown out.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, sh*t....

Great quest name.  

[lynroy]

Great quest name.

Best quest name. xD So, who wants to come with me to investigate these Oklahoma claims?

[Grieving Natashina]

Best quest name. xD So, who wants to come with me to investigate these Oklahoma claims?

Oklahoma is suing my home state in the US Supreme Court.  No, seriously.  So, as the country will soon find out, Oklahoma isn't a myth.  

 

Now, 'dem lady gamers, on the other hand, are like the jackalope.  You gotta be drunk, lonely and mistake a deer in the distance with a jack rabbit in the foreground with a bunny with antlers.  A drunken myth told only by old timers, and turned into a tourist trap.  Women that are Dragon Age/RPG fans?  Why, they are just as much of a myth, my friend.

[AWTEW]

I'll grant you the emo thing with the Evangelions with the exception of Mari. Gundams however only have a few I would consider emo.

Gundams? Don't you mean: General Unilateral Neuro-Link Dispersive Automatic Maneuver

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[tanuki]

Leon Kennedy...

 

...Jake Muller 

[Tymvir]

Is this another SJW self-pity thread?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Is this another TROLL self-pity thread?

Fixed that.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Wow... thats a awesome outfit .

Actually surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet

[Murloc Knight]

Remember, the word Girl in the internet means "Guy In Real Life"

[finc.loki]

It's this simple. What attracted the women here to play this game? Was it the combat and to kill monsters? Was it the Character creator, romance, story and nice environments?

 

Most games on console and PC that are the big costly blockbuster games are clearly mostly actions, shooting, lopping heads of enemies, and in general action type deals. Even this game has the basis of action and combat.

 

That is usually  NOT what attract most females into gaming. That there are some women here does not mean it is representative of gaming in general. That is like saying  the men on "The Sims" forum is somehow indicative that it "MUST BE" 50% males playing that game.

 

Take this example who is more likely to play "Kim Kardashians" casual game? Women, why? Could it be that it doesn't appeal to men?

Who is more likely to have read "Fifty shades of Grey"? Twilight series of books and the movies? Is there something wrong with men and women having different likes and dislikes? No of course not.

 

When you start to think logically you can see that most big blockbuster games are very action and violent orientated. GTA is not really the taste for most women. Yet it has sold almost 40 MILLION copies. Where are all the 50% of women gamers?

Then you cite a game like Bioware games that are LUCKY to sell 3 million copies and, no I do NOT think it is a majority of women playing ME and DA games. They do have a larger percentage of women compared to other blockbuster games. It is still most likely a majority of men.

 

The comment and study that women play RPG more than men. What exactly do they base this on? Who in their right mind would think Mass Effect is not appealing to men somehow?How about Deus Ex, Fallout 3, Skyrim, Shadow of Mordor, The Witcher series I could go on and on.

It sound like complete BS to me. Of course men only play braindead shooters ala COD, right?

This also comes from "studies" that put MOBA games as "MMO", total idiocy at best. MMO stands for MASSIVELY multiplayer. MOBA games usually have 10 players and is arena games, not sprawling MMO worlds.

As I mentioned about saying women play RPG more than men, WHAT DO THEY BASE this on? I listed several RPG games. I dare anyone to say there are more women playing those games. It makes No sense at all. Period.

It's like these studies think men just disappeard that they used to play games, but just gave it up and in just a short few years women all of a sudden play these games and more so than men. Come ON!

 

All these studies never have any proper breakdown. Just by these statistics I should know a huge amount of female 'gamers'. Yet my wife does not play these games. She plays flash games, casual mobile games. Same with her mother. My mother doesn't play at all (age I guess). None of women I come across ever speak about games like "hey did you play Witcher or Mass Effect, awesome stuff, right". I know of one female gamer that is in my "gaming community", ONE out of 40 males. It is awesome though.

I have nothing against female gamers, why the hell would I. I do however not like Sarkesian and her ilk or the claims I am a misogynist because I play games that men could possibly like.

 

I am just stating I do not believe these studies, they seem so engineered to be the "perfect" 50%-50%. 

No doubt they take into account games like smartphone games. Smartphones ALL have access to games. there are a BILLION smartphone users. Ask any woman or man if they play games on that merit and EVERYONE will say yes. Voila now it's 50-50.

Ask more direct questions like. Do you know commander Shepard and the Citadel and Reapers, How about who is "Geralt of Rivia"? Did you like Trevor, Michael and Franklin, crazy robbers, right. Who is Master Chief and Captain Price, Code name 47, Solid Snake, Niko. I could go on and on.

 

I think most peoples eyes would glaze over. Go to any high school and mention these names and I guarantee you the girls would (most) have NO clue at all, and most of the boys would laugh and say what game it is.

So if these young women wouldn't know why on earth would grown women. As I said, the women here are not the "norm".

 

But I love the fact they are here, instead of it being a sausage fest. So yet again people don't get up in arms.

[daveliam]

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Simple question:  Do you have any data to support your claims?

[finc.loki]

I also think that there is an important distinction here. Are the polls saying 'women gamers' or are they saying 'women who play games'? Those are different things. Some 'gamers' tend to think that only other 'gamers' are important. If a person doesn't identify as a 'gamer', is their opinion less important?

It seems to me that 'gamers' (ie, people who identify as part of that niche subculture) are the ones who are putting the value in that term. Who cares if someone plays different video games than you? Mobile and flash games ARE video games, so arguments that their audiences don't count are short-sighted and weak. They might not be the same audience as the DA:I audience, but they ARE, without any doubt, video game audiences.

I think it has to do with the term.

Think of someone calling themselves a "movie-buff" or a "book aficionado". They would be upset if someone comes in and say they read a few books of especially bland order, and say I am now a Book aficionado. 

 

A gamer in gamer culture are people that constantly check video game forums and gaming news sites. Think of E3 as the second christmas of the year. Watch every single trailer of a game and all the info they can get. Like us here discuss the best "builds" and so on.

The fact that we are even TALKING about number of women in gaming.

 

A casual gamer doesn't do this. They don't care if Dragon age have stopped having healing spells and now have combat based on attrition instead of waves of enemies.

That do not know Bloodmagic is a no no in Thedas or even what the hell Thedas is.

 

Playing candy crush although a GAME, doesn't require any of this. Where are the trailers for this game? Will it be at the next E3?

 

I think you are starting to see the point. Also to join this club of ours we call gamers, all genders are allowed, we only care that you are INTO gaming like us.

 

That is how I see it. Lately media has tried to pervert this and kill the 'gamer' culture. It's just a bunch of misogynists right? Nevermind the fact there are tons of women here that clearly game hardcore.

[finc.loki]

Simple question:  Do you have any data to support your claims?

Get real I just explained to you why that is.

 

I don't have a study because NO study ever goes into detail, they make general questions.

Sometimes I wonder if people can think.

 

I hear religions claim there is a god and they have a "study" called the Bible to prove it. Where is your study to prove them wrong.

Starting to get the point?

[frankf43]

Years ago, Jay Leno read a story where a man was given a ticket for fake license plates... because the officer said there was no such state as West Virginia. Fortunately for him, the story said a court determined there was in fact a state of West Virginia, so the ticket was thrown out.

It has to be a state John Denver sang about it. I

[frankf43]

Great quest name.  

It lead to a game of Wicked Grace for me. Happy times.

[finc.loki]

They are both video game players.  One takes it more serious than the other, but it is a definitive fact that the person who buys an $800 gaming rig for PC gaming and the person who plays Candy Crush while sitting on the bus are both video game players. 

 

By your "the primary purpose of the device" argument, then anyone who uses their gaming PC more than 50% of the time for anything else (email, streaming movies, internet message boards.....) is now no longer a 'video game player'.

 

You are trying to make a distinction between "gamers" and video game players, but aren't doing so explicitly.  I agree that these are two different types of people.  But I often see people mixing them up in this exact conversation.  Are more than 50% of video game players women?  Surveys seem to suggest this.  Are more than 50% of gamers women?  Likely not, but I've not seen any surveys that look at this. 

 

It's two different constructs.  If you want to argue that gamers are more important than video game players, that's one thing.  If you want to discount anyone who's not a "gamer" as no longer being a video game player, that's just incorrect.

By that account we can move into semantics and call me a "filmmaker" because I used the camera on my smartphone to make a couple of videos of my dog.

I am now Christopher Nolan or Steven Spielberg, right.

[finc.loki]

I wish my mon was like you!

 

Yes, I'm a female, 28 yo, I'm a proffesor in High School and I play lots of videogames. Actually my first videogame was DAO (first single-player, previously I played Ragnarok online and Lineage 2)

How are you a "professor" and teach High School. That makes you a teacher. A Professor has a doctorate and usually teach at College and university level.

 

I mean since we are on the subject of misuse of the term gamer and all, here seems to be another one.

[finc.loki]

Anyone else wondered why we are almost exclusively killing male characters in games and hardly ever if at all women?

 

Just another topic to ponder in this 50% female gamers.

We have some female lead protagonists, like Lara Croft. She is a master at slaying men in Tomb Raider. Where are the female enemies?

How come only the Heroine exist as the bad@ss slayer of bad guys, but there are seldom any female enemies just as capable and trying to slay the hero, whether female or male lead protagonist?

[Lebanese Dude]

Anyone else wondered why we are almost exclusively killing male characters in games and hardly ever if at all women?

 

Just another topic to ponder in this 50% female gamers.

We have some female lead protagonists, like Lara Croft. She is a master at slaying men in Tomb Raider. Where are the female enemies?

How come only the Heroine exist as the bad@ss slayer of bad guys, but there are seldom any female enemies just as capable and trying to slay the hero, whether female or male lead protagonist?

 

Wut? Are you talking about BioWare games? 

 

Enemy mooks have always been relatively evenly split between men, women, and non-gendered beings in DA.

Most melee units in DA2 tend to be men while ranged tend to be female but that's irrelevant really.

[daveliam]

Get real I just explained to you why that is.

I don't have a study because NO study ever goes into detail, they make general questions.
Sometimes I wonder if people can think.

I hear religions claim there is a god and they have a "study" called the Bible to prove it. Where is your study to prove them wrong.
Starting to get the point?

No, I'm not. You make claims about how many people of different types play this game. Did you make it all up? Are you basing it on assumptions? Are you basing it in facts?

[daveliam]

How are you a "professor" and teach High School. That makes you a teacher. A Professor has a doctorate and usually teach at College and university level.

I mean since we are on the subject of misuse of the term gamer and all, here seems to be another one.

In America. In other countries, the word professor means something else.

[daveliam]

By that account we can move into semantics and call me a "filmmaker" because I used the camera on my smartphone to make a couple of videos of my dog.
I am now Christopher Nolan or Steven Spielberg, right.

Uh, yeah. It's exactly about semantics. Now are YOU starting to get the point? More women play games than men. That doesn't mean that they are 'gamers'. There is no data on the demographics of 'gamers'.