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Exactly how much of Shepard is Synthetic? I need info from the experts.


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Back in 2012 there were discussions concerning a defibrillator implant to restart Shepards heart (as seen when Shep arrives in the Citadel dead body corridor and is jerked awake without any external influence). It looks like s/he's jump started. Is that considered a synthetic body part? 

 

The heart itself is seen in ME2 intro and it looks "normal".

 

It still has cybernetic stuff implanted on it, as we see in the Lazarus cutscene. That device may very well be what monitors the heartrate and jump-started Shep's body.


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Shepard is Steve Austin. Simple as that. He's got cybernetic implants to take up the slack from missing/broken bones and muscle tissue and his organs (as shown in ME2 Lazarus cutscene) have been revitalized and somehow decomposition has been reversed. It's not super deep or complicated.



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Shepard is Steve Austin. Simple as that. He's got cybernetic implants to take up the slack from missing/broken bones and muscle tissue and his organs (as shown in ME2 Lazarus cutscene) have been revitalized and somehow decomposition has been reversed. It's not super deep or complicated.

 

Missing bones? I'm fairly positive Shepard has all his bones. Hence why he could get them all reinforced (Boneweave). Missing muscle tissue and organs? Muscleweave suggests he did have muscle tissue already, though it was already 'improved' since he could fire the claymore. As for organs if they really used cybernetic implants to replace missing organs then we have to seriously wonder just what purpose having a Shepard clone for parts was. The fact that they had a clone should be a sign that they ensured he isn't missing bits and pieces. You also have to suspect Chakwas would had mentioned if he was missing some organs.



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Shepard is Steve Austin. Simple as that. He's got cybernetic implants to take up the slack from missing/broken bones and muscle tissue and his organs (as shown in ME2 Lazarus cutscene) have been revitalized and somehow decomposition has been reversed. It's not super deep or complicated.

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Unknown really, but if nanotech stuff was used? All synthetic, or mostly, as they repair and replace with "synthetic" particles. Of course we're not privy to the bio mechanicals involved in resurrection, etc.. :blink:


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Unknown really, but if nanotech stuff was used? All synthetic, or mostly, as they repair and replace with "synthetic" particles. Of course we're not privy to the bio mechanicals involved in resurrection, etc.. :blink:

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Depends on definition of synthetic.

 

If you mean things that are imitations of other things, then its only a small portion of himself. Most of Shepard is legit organic material, and legit what his body was before death.

 

If you mean something that is prepared artificially, then he may be determined to be even mostly synthetic. Everything is revitalized and restored and rebuilt via semi-unknown technological means, which may include nanites and more.

 

 

I think a reasonable answer is: Shepard's organs may be either organic or largely organic, but the framework that they work in and the methods to bring those organs back to life was synthetic, and he retains the skeleton of what would be a synthetic husk structure.

 

His eyes may be red and at least somewhat cybernetically assisted/constructed, but he's no robot. No strings on him. Could he be husk technology? Perhaps - but he's certainly not substantially networked to whatever hive/collective mind the Reapers may be using, and he relies on his organic parts in order to do at least most of his functions, not his synthetic parts.

 

Overall, I'd call him less than half synthetic, and based on how he operates and thinks of himself and his range of capabilities, EDI's wording of 'fully human' is proper, at least in a certain context that I admit many here may disagree with*.

 

 

 

*I consider transhuman to mean in 'in transition'. Shepard isn't going anywhere, so whatever he has on him, is purely a external (to the self) tool to get from Point A to Point B. Its when you consider the technology part of yourself that you are 'transhuman', and when you consider yourself to (for lack of better wording) 'be' the technology, you'll be 'posthuman'.

But especially for our current context, anyone putting any sort of artificial material in themselves to augment/replace parts of their body may be considered transhuman. I just don't think that works very well. Just imo really.

 

 

Then again, whatever humanness of himself that exists, seems to be stripped away in small ways as the series progresses, and while 'transhuman' might not be a perfect term to call him 'robot' or 'half-robot' becomes terms that get more and more appropriate. In the end, it is up to us to decide how synthetic Shepard is, and how he relates to synthetics in combination with that self-view.


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"Shepard", lol. Yeah, that one's interesting. Well..... How much of Shepard is synthetic....

 

I say, none. Zero. Nada. Nothing. 

 

 

But.... Then again. 

 

 

Shepard died at the beginning of ME2. 

 

Or did that one just go over everyone's head (including Shepard, lol)

 

So, "Shepard" post ME2...... I would say is quite a bit of synthetic... In fact... As EDI states, Shepard is. Transhuman. 

 

Shep 2.0 as I call it, is a bit of an...... anomaly. 

 

Lets just leave it at that. 

 

Because....If your really start digging.... You might not like what you find. 

 

 

Cause this thing- 

 

Shepard_renegade.jpg

 

Just..... Well.... It just ain't right. 


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The Lazarus project involved attaching cybernetic implants to reconstruct the Commander's skeleton, reconstruction of the skin, and fluids to restart the blood flow and internal organs.

 

The Clone was intended to be used for spare organs and other body parts over the course of Shepard's revival, but it was never utilized and remained in storage.

 

Shepard is indeed a transhuman because he was rebuilt and revived, organically and synthetically.

 

That's pretty much all I remember about that.


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Commander Shepard looks like a villain.

 

He looks like a bad guy.


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The Lazarus project involved attaching cybernetic implants to reconstruct the Commander's skeleton, reconstruction of the skin, and fluids to restart the blood flow and internal organs.

 

The Clone was intended to be used for spare organs and other body parts over the course of Shepard's revival, but it was never utilized and remained in storage.

 

Shepard is indeed a transhuman because he was rebuilt and revived, organically and synthetically.

 

That's pretty much all I remember about that.

 

I'd say its a bit more complicated than that.

 

http://www.extremete...ean-to-be-human

 

I like how this puts it (especially since once could technically be called transhuman for even just using glasses, IF we use the definition of it being the usage of technology to improve beyond our human limits):

Transhumanism is a cultural and intellectual movement that believes we can, and should, improve the human condition through the use of advanced technologies.

 

To me, since Shepard:

1)Still considers himself in the script to be human and not in the process of change (except right at the very end)

2)Uses any technological changes to himself for the purpose and theme of making himself a better weapon, instead of better human

 

..then he's more right on the edge of transhuman, according to its more (imo) nuanced definitions. Its like the more cultural difference between (and I say this as a gay man) a gay person and a homosexual person. One may have sex with the same gender, but the other actually admits it to some degree, and is happy to do so, as a point of pride or self identification or whatever else. One is labeled by their attractions, but the other is labelled by what their attractions represent and result in.

 

In a similar vein, Shepard can be a 'robot man' or 'synthetic human' while not being outright 'transhuman'. The closest argument I can see against this is if a Shepard goes and grabs all the upgrades for his body in ME2 and you RP it as him embracing any tech that makes his body better beyond any human limitations, but that's not exactly his script.

 

And just to repeat - I'm not saying that he's 'clearly and absolutely human'. I mean he's on the edge that perhaps upon a second look, doesn't automatically mean 'transhuman'. Yet. He is, instead, cyborg. (http://ieet.org/inde...e/olson20130105)

 

Transhumanism really doesn't seem to be about sticking tech to and in your body. Its about the purpose of using that tech to ascend beyond human limitations and identity. Trans. So this is, I think, what EDI is talking about in ME3 (along with Shep's brain being 100% organic regardless of any implants); Shepard embodies nothing of this sort (until a Control/Synthesis decision, heh), so while you could say that he employs transhuman technologies and has them integrated into himself, he, himself, as a person, is not transhuman, even if eventually righttt up to it.

 

 

I know I can be fairly argumentative and nitpicky about this matter, so my apologies!


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Unfortunately around 30-40%, all major organs are still there but have space magic tech here and there to hold everything together. 



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I guess it depends what you term synthetic; Miranda could qualify in that regard.
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I guess it depends what you term synthetic; Miranda could qualify in that regard.


Miranda and Oriana, would indeed, be synthetic. I've always considered them as such.

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Miranda and Oriana, would indeed, be synthetic. I've always considered them as such.

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What with all the bone plating and muscle fibre-weave it's actually apparently pretty extensive. Extensive enough that it is quite odd to have never actually brought it up as a plot point or had it affect anything, to be honest. As in, Shepard should have been effectively superhuman in certain aspects, it's just weird that we never saw that put to any use, because post-Lazarus Shep never really did anything pre-Lazarus Shep couldn't have.



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What with all the bone plating and muscle fibre-weave it's actually apparently pretty extensive. Extensive enough that it is quite odd to have never actually brought it up as a plot point or had it affect anything, to be honest.

 

Yeah they really seemed to gleam over that. More than just the upgrades, even, the entire 'resurrected from the dead' bit is oddly forgotten about until a brief moment in ME3. For some reason.

 

 

 As in, Shepard should have been effectively superhuman in certain aspects, it's just weird that we never saw that put to any use, because post-Lazarus Shep never really did anything pre-Lazarus Shep couldn't have.

 

Like firing a claymore shotgun designed for Krogan, firing the Widow rifle, surviving poison, resisting tranquilizers or wrestling with a yahg?

 

Honestly I'd love to see what LazShep would do in the first game... He couldn't break Saren's one-handed grip - now he could probably snap the arm in half.


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Sheps organs seem to be partly synthetic. Miranda: "In an effort to accelerate the process [of recovery], we´ve moved from simple organic reconstruction of the subject to bio-synthetic fusion." But I don´t know what this exactly means.


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it's kind of funny that synthetic oils are made from plants. Where as "oil" is made from plants and animals and about anything else nature can toss into that mix..

 

(on a more serious note: I want more space magic... we should got o mars on a hunch!!)



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Sheps organs seem to be partly synthetic. Miranda: "In an effort to accelerate the process [of recovery], we´ve moved from simple organic reconstruction of the subject to bio-synthetic fusion." But I don´t know what this exactly means.

 

Biological parts made synthetically, or made to heal through synthetic assist, making those parts synthetic, by some standards, but generally not. If you needed a working heart, you could go for a more artificial-robotic working one, sure, but a bio-synthetic one would work just as an organic one, with the same or nearly same elements, but still be synthetic. Also would reduce the chance of rejection.

 

Shepard is a 'hybrid' that is 'human'. Artificial means were used to reconstruct him, but he 'is' a natural being. And still 'just a man', albeit one that verges on being a transhuman.

 

A 'synthesis' was used in his healing and reconstruction, but the 'synthesis' isn't used for what the end product is, in ME2-ME3. You could have nanites used to do all sorts of things to you, and they could even lay completely dormant in you, but if you're otherwise 99.99% of the time operating as if you're a human with human limitations, then you're human.

 

I just want to say though, that this whole 'Shepard is a human' thing, which I do believe, is nonetheless not the whole truth. He is only human so far as he and others consider him to be a human, and by many of our standards, he is effectively transhuman and partly on the way to being a synthetic entity outright.

 

If you go mega Renegade, the transhuman shows on his face (if not hidden away by cosmetic surgery) but he personally denies it.

 

If you go mega Paragon, the transhuman doesn't show on him but he personally (relatively) accepts it. Or at least the concept of it.

 

Mixes of Paragon and Renegade could make Shepards that utterly reject anything robotic and just consider their implants to be tools, or Shepards that increasingly welcome synthetics and show just how robotic they've become on the face.

 

In any case, the narrative of the trilogy clearly does not want people thinking too hard about Shepard being synthetic, even if it partially acknowledges it.

 

We may consider people in the coming years/decades who undertake gene therapy and replace some body parts with cybernetics to be transhumans, but honestly, honestly... at that point (years/decades from now), I'm not sure those people would actually consider themselves transhumans, nor would the future society of decades from now. If it becomes the norm definition of human (as we still consider those who have hearing aids or heart implants or glasses or whatever), then it is 'human'. If it is on the transition away from 'human', then it is 'transhuman'.

 

Language is funny like that.

 

 

IMO the Catalyst is right when it directly states "even you are partially synthetic", even while Shepard can still be called 'a man' or 'human'.

 

But the lines are meant to be increasingly blurred. The Collectors have organic parts and come from an organic species - are they Prothian? The Geth may have an upgrade that changes their code to operate in a highly organic manner akin to human/quarian neural networks - are they still robots?

 

'Transition' and 'Post' become words necessary in order to understand states of existence. Collectors may be replaced entirely by tech, but much of that is an organically based technology. Geth may have been arguably called robots, but upon upgrade it is more difficult to fully consider them as such, but instead 'synthetic life' or 'conscious entities' at minimum, not robots.

 

 

Dragon Age is doing a similar thing, but instead with mortals and spirits.



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I always assumed Shep version 2 was a clone in a way.  Memories (including those of being rebuilt) can be implanted to suit.  The DNA is there (being a clone).

 

Just meat and Tubes?  There wouldn't have been enough of him left to fill a thimble.  Why?  Well that planetary re-entry is a bit of a bummer when it comes to burning up.  Shep lost his oxygen in his suit as well, so his lungs and heart (being exposed to space) would have expanded and exploded.  Intact after re-entry?  Of course he was (insert sarcasm here).  Must be common place to rebuild someone after burning up during re-entry in the future (if enough of him survived the lung and heart explosion that is).  Good luck with that one.



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Sheps organs seem to be partly synthetic. Miranda: "In an effort to accelerate the process [of recovery], we´ve moved from simple organic reconstruction of the subject to bio-synthetic fusion." But I don´t know what this exactly means.

It means Shepard was brought back to life though amazing breakthroughs in fields of Applied Phlebotinum and the discovery of Handwavium ;)

 

Interesting that the log is made by Miranda, who herself is technically synthetic in that she is "created life" built from the genetic level up through technology.  The only difference being she is carbon-based.


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Like firing a claymore shotgun designed for Krogan, firing the Widow rifle, surviving poison, resisting tranquilizers or wrestling with a yahg?

 

Honestly I'd love to see what LazShep would do in the first game... He couldn't break Saren's one-handed grip - now he could probably snap the arm in half.

 

Oh yeah. Well, besiiiiides the numerous things you mentioned...

 

Still, nothing actually all that crucial. When were the poison and tranquiliser bits though, I honestly don't remember?



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Oh yeah. Well, besiiiiides the numerous things you mentioned...

 

Still, nothing actually all that crucial. When were the poison and tranquiliser bits though, I honestly don't remember?

Shepard can be poisoned by a racist batarian brtender in Omega.  And be the first to survive (and force teh bartender to drink his own stuff).  If Mordin is in the

party he notes some odd reasing on his omnitool as Shep is recovering.

 

Shepard can also drink ryncol, a krogan beverage toxic to most species and live

 

Shep is tranqulized (and left by a Reaper device) for several days, and unexpectedly wwake up on his own with no ill effect whatsoever in Arrival



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Shep is tranqulized (and left by a Reaper device) for several days, and unexpectedly wwake up on his own with no ill effect whatsoever in Arrival

I thought it was only a couple(2) of days