Apologies if this has been discussed - I have a hard time sifting through these boards.
SPOILERS FOR VIVIENNE COMPANION QUEST
Did she actually murder Bastian so she could elevate her status, gain power and connections? Was that snowy wyvern heart some sort of untraceable poison? It's hard to tell because she seemed upset, but it could have been a show for the Inquisitor, and then she was pretty shameless about talking up the advantages in Skyhold after the final battle.
I think she generally cared for Bastian. It could have been a show but clearly that man was on his death bed, probably in pain, and she let him die peacefully. I think that says a lot about her character. How she cares for those she loves.
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Am I the only one who *didn't* interpret this as poison? The potion was called an "age regression" potion. I thought she was trying to save him and it just didn't work? If she just wants to give him a poison to make him fall asleep and die, she doesn't need especially exotic ingredients for that.
Exactly how I interpreted it. I felt so bad for her, I backed her for Divine. Which didn't really work out.Am I the only one who *didn't* interpret this as poison? The potion was called an "age regression" potion. I thought she was trying to save him and it just didn't work? If she just wants to give him a poison to make him fall asleep and die, she doesn't need especially exotic ingredients for that.
Yeah, I think she tried to save him. There is nothing she could gain from his death. She benefits more from him living. If you talk to her afterwards you can basically tell that she loved him.
Am I the only one who *didn't* interpret this as poison? The potion was called an "age regression" potion. I thought she was trying to save him and it just didn't work? If she just wants to give him a poison to make him fall asleep and die, she doesn't need especially exotic ingredients for that.
I suppose. It could go either way. "Poison" - I'm not entirely sure it was poison but something to help ease his passing, or a failed attempt at trying to help reverse his age. Either way, she was trying to help a person she loved. I don't think she used you (The Inquisitor) for her own ends.
Am I the only one who *didn't* interpret this as poison? The potion was called an "age regression" potion. I thought she was trying to save him and it just didn't work? If she just wants to give him a poison to make him fall asleep and die, she doesn't need especially exotic ingredients for that.
I know that's what it was called, but she could have been lying. Just a thought. But you're right, she could have just used any old poison.
Yeah, I think she tried to save him. There is nothing she could gain from his death. She benefits more from him living. If you talk to her afterwards you can basically tell that she loved him.
I did talk to her afterward and she seemed genuine, I only had second thoughts at the end when his kids are visiting and there is some dialogue choice from the Inquistor that said "So you always get want you want at the end" or "It all worked out for you", something like that.
Am I the only one who *didn't* interpret this as poison? The potion was called an "age regression" potion. I thought she was trying to save him and it just didn't work? If she just wants to give him a poison to make him fall asleep and die, she doesn't need especially exotic ingredients for that.
I also read it this way. I think that the following scene, with his family, is just her taking advantage of an opportunity that ended up in front of her.
To sum it up, I think:
* She didn't want him to die and actually tried to save him.
* Her line, "Well played" to the Inquisitor who tricks her wasn't about being caught, it was about her appreciation of an excellent player of The Game.
* When he died, she used the subsequent events and discussions to better her position as best as she can. Again, she's a master of The Game.
* Her appreciation when you help her is obvious and seems genuine. It's also why she pledges her new support in your direction as well.
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I suppose. It could go either way. "Poison" - I'm not entirely sure it was poison but something to help ease his passing, or a failed attempt at trying to help reverse his age. Either way, she was trying to help a person she loved. I don't think she used you (The Inquisitor) for her own ends.
I don't think she used me. I just never understood where the poison angle came from.
I'm not sure... I missed the final cutscene with her in my first file where the Duke's family comes to visit, so I never saw the part where apparently she seems happy and it looks suspiciously like she planned it out. Still, it's a good point that Vivienne wouldn't need something as specific as the heart of a snowy wyvern to end his suffering/ quicken his death.
I don't think she used me. I just never understood where the poison angle came from.
Because he dies right after she gives it to him? I thought this was the general consensus in all forms of media and real life.
Am I the only one who *didn't* interpret this as poison? The potion was called an "age regression" potion. I thought she was trying to save him and it just didn't work? If she just wants to give him a poison to make him fall asleep and die, she doesn't need especially exotic ingredients for that.
Yes, that's what I also believed. She seemed to have genuinely loved him - that's always been my impression (and I did find that note nearby explaining the nature of the potion if properly prepared, etc.).
I did talk to her afterward and she seemed genuine, I only had second thoughts at the end when his kids are visiting and there is some dialogue choice from the Inquistor that said "So you always get want you want at the end" or "It all worked out for you", something like that.
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Because he dies right after she gives it to him? I thought this was the general consensus in all forms of media and real life.
That's just as likely to be dramatic license. The scene doesn't have nearly the same impact if he dies off screen three days later.
Yes, that's what I also believed. She seemed to have genuinely loved him - that's always been my impression (and I did find that note nearby explaining the nature of the potion if properly prepared, etc.).
Ah, I had forgotten about the note. It just seemed weird that he died immediately after, but that's what probably happens if the potion doesn't work.
That's just as likely to be dramatic license. The scene doesn't have nearly the same impact if he dies off screen three days later.
True. Vivienne would be on the other side of Thedas when he died if it was poison.
I don't think she used me. I just never understood where the poison angle came from.
Because she's a bit shady in general. Maybe shady isn't the right word - ruthless? You get that impression when you ask your advisors about her also. It's not like it's that far fetched to think about that possibility.
I'm pretty sure she had tried all kinds of more traditional cures, and was now trying a youth potion. It did something, which is why he is able to have last words when you give her the real heart, but it didn't cure him.
She may have been with him mostly because of his position and power, but it's obvious that she cared for him too. A person who doesn't care wouldn't try to prolong life by making the recipient *younger*.
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Because she's a bit shady in general. Maybe shady isn't the right word - ruthless? You get that impression when you ask your advisors about her also. It's not like it's that far fetched to think about that possibility.
Possibility that she might poison somebody, sure, but nothing in this particular situation seemed to match it.
I'm pretty sure she had tried all kinds of more traditional cures, and was now trying a youth potion. It did something, which is why he is able to have last words when you give her the real heart, but it didn't cure him.
She may have been with him mostly because of his position and power, but it's obvious that she cared for him too. A person who doesn't care wouldn't try to prolong life by making the recipient *younger*.
Oh interesting - I gave her the real heart. So if you give her the fake heart he just dies and doesn't speak?
She may have been with him mostly because of his position and power, but it's obvious that she cared for him too. A person who doesn't care wouldn't try to prolong life by making the recipient *younger*.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious that she loved him. She is really broken when you speak to her after the quest.
I think it was a cure that failed. Offing his wife makes since, make her more valuable to him, but what is she without the duke?
Ah, I had forgotten about the note. It just seemed weird that he died immediately after, but that's what probably happens if the potion doesn't work.
Bastien's absence from court/the council was mentioned early on during Vivienne's recruitment mission. In retrospect, I believe that it points to the fact that he was probably gravely ill and was on his deathbed for quite some time. Even though Vivienne finally succeeded at creating at a potion that could have saved him, I just think that it was too late for Bastien and that he was too weak to hang on.
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