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[Fullmetall21]

All this irrelevant points are supposed to mean something? Want a good story, go read a book.

I want (and miss) stat points, slow combat, AI, and the whole game mechanics in general

And I liked the story, but DAO is so good I would play it without a story anyway

DAI is awful and even with the story it is still painfull

As I previously stated in this topic people who loved Origins for what it was do not like DAI, and as I previously stated in another topic, the issue was never about if Origins is good or bad, neither if Inquisition is good or bad, you people arguing about it totally miss the point, it is just about being like what we did play and love, and that's it. It doesn't matter if it is pizza, icecream or ****, if you love it you will eat it again and want more and more and more. It is not hard to understand, the pedestal is not for being great or even good, but for being what we loved and/or what we needed. Which Inquisition is not.

 

Wait did you just say if you want a good story go read a book in the forums of a STORY driven game? And people wonder why others don't take them seriously. I got to tell though man you have some patience if you could play through DAO without the story anything aside from dual wield characters is so slow I thought I was in the Matrix. Now it's your opinion and good for you but an other option would be for you to go and play an other game instead of us going to read a book. Just a thought.

 

EDIT: And why people seem surprised about Inquisition anyway? Didn't you know it would be something like what it turned out to be? faster combat, no origins storys etc the devs talked about all these stuff multiple times. They said it over and over and over. Now you may want to consider that this game just is not for you. I don't like the Witcher series ( I know shame on me) and therefore will never play it regardless of how much praise and sunshine it gets in the future. The Witcher is not a game for me it's really that simple. 

 

Yet I do not go to the witcher's forums and say hey I don't like the witcher and anyone who does should not. Some people it seems need to grow up.

[Primalrose]

oop, double post.

[berrieh]

Wait did you just say if you want a good story go read a book in the forums of a STORY driven game? And people wonder why others don't take them seriously. I got to tell though man you have some patience if you could play through DAO without the story anything aside from dual wield characters is so slow I thought I was in the Matrix. Now it's your opinion and good for you but an other option would be for you to go and play an other game instead of us going to read a book. Just a thought.

 

I mean, if people thought the combat was the best part of DAO, they're definitely going to be disappointed by the others since that's totally changed. For me, the combat was the weak point I put up with for the story and characters. And then I did go read a book - or rather the 2 that were already out - and when they wrote more, I read more.  (Not the world's greatest books, but well better than I expected for video game books.) If your game is so story-driven that you write novels and comics in between them, it figures people are playing for the story. 

 

Hell, people play all kinds of games for stories now, but RPGs have put story at the center for a long, damn time in one way or another. BioWare even more so. It's silly to not imagine a lot of the BioWare fans care about story. 

[Fullmetall21]

I mean, if people thought the combat was the best part of DAO, they're definitely going to be disappointed by the others since that's totally changed. For me, the combat was the weak point I put up with for the story and characters. And then I did go read a book - or rather the 2 that were already out - and when they wrote more, I read more.  (Not the world's greatest books, but well better than I expected for video game books.) If your game is so story-driven that you write novels and comics in between them, it figures people are playing for the story. 

 

Hell, people play all kinds of games for stories now, but RPGs have put story at the center for a long, damn time in one way or another. BioWare even more so. It's silly to not imagine a lot of the BioWare fans care about story. 

 

I agree with the combat being slow and dull in DAO my favorite class ever is the 2 handed warrior its what i role play first  but the 2H warrior in origins was absolutely horrible. The swings took so long it should have been a tree i was swinging and not a sword. 

[Rake451]

Oh, trust me, it's fairly possible to enjoy both games.  Hell, if you're really good, you might even enjoy DA2, as well.

 

It's difficult, but I managed to pull it off.

[luism]

Da 2 combat was Diablo 3 level boring. I can't believe how many people think it's better. I guess people really like fightingmwaves of ninja Gaiden assassins. For me the abandoned building filled with blood mages is the epitome of rpg fighting. It's so much fun it's the only quest I would never skip in all of my many da o play throughs it got old after I found out about mana clash but it was still fun.

[Daishar Vneef]

Dragon Age: Origins is like that girl you dated in high school that was really sweet, you had a great time together but after graduation you grew apart. You're still friends but you started seeing other people. Like this really crazy chick (DA2) that was really great at first and there was some things about her that reminded you of the girl from high school but you were really glad when you dumped her. Then you meet this new girl that has freckles like your first love, she likes some of the same things and she's not psycho like the last girl! Is she perfect? Is she better than you're first love...yes and no and that's what relationships are all about, no two are exactly the same.

 

Oh wait...we were talking about DAI? Oh yeah, I like it and I wouldn't say its better than DAO...its about the same. If we could easily mod it, like we did with DAO that would make it better...to me. 

[Chaos17]

EDIT: And why people seem surprised about Inquisition anyway? Didn't you know it would be something like what it turned out to be? faster combat, no origins storys etc the devs talked about all these stuff multiple times. They said it over and over and over. Now you may want to consider that this game just is not for you. I don't like the Witcher series ( I know shame on me) and therefor will never play it regardless of how much praise and sunshine it gets in the future. The Witcher is not a game for me it's really that simple.

 

1. They avoided to show how the controls for PC were used during their stream. They prefered to sell us "PC gamer at heart" with this commercial.

 

 

2. They avoided to tell us that 80% of the content were big open zones areas not related to main plot that were filled with content that don't have any real impact on the game. So what are there for if it's just being filler ? MP ?

 

 

Do you want me to go on and seek every videos of Bioware or do you stop to play the fan boy by saying "it's your fault people".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this game shoud burn, NO! I'm saying that is taking a direction that I don't wish it to take.

[Daishar Vneef]

It is obvious this game was made for consoles first and PCs last...dead last, like only because they knew PC gamers would scream bloody murder if they didn't include us. Oh and they wouldn't get our money...that too. 

Does it annoy me? Hell yeah! Having only 8 ability options to up there drives me nuts. I am hoping our skilled modding community will be able to fix that eventually (please dear Santa...all I want for Christmas is a modder that can fix the UI in this game!) but I still like the story and that's all that is really important to me. 

[Zombie_Alexis]

I lost count how many times I played DAO and loved every minute of it, flaws and all. Dragon Age 2 wasn't a bad little game, but I went in with low expectations so I wasn't that disappointed. Sure there were plenty of weaknesses in the game play and maps, but I enjoyed the lore and the stories and played that game more than a few times. And I love Inquisition. It took some getting used to the new game play and I wish the tactical camera worked better, but I enjoyed every minute of it and will probably play it again and again. But I don't go into games expecting the same thing with a sequel. I know from past experience that there will always be changes and I try to just go with it.

[Fyurian2]

... Because it's a good game?

 

That was easy.

 

That's like asking how I could like Gears of War after having played Spec Ops: The Line.

 

Never played any of the GoW games, but love Spec Ops: The Line. Especially for it changing events and outcomes based on your actions and not just "go left/right" or "choice A, B or C".

For example, the section where you can either shoot an angry mob, knock one down with the butt of your gun, or fire into the air to send them all running away. Each one gives a different response from your squad mate, and affects the ending too.

 

In all honesty, I'm really not fussed about the lack of "Origins" prologues for each race/class. This isn't Dragon Age: Origins 2 - Even Originier...

Of all of them in DA:O, only the Human Noble, Dwarf Noble and Mage Origins actually felt like they were connected to the overall plot, while the others all felt like obligatory prologues because they had to have them, with only minor callbacks to them later on.

Dalish Elf was the worst in my opinion. It's the only one where you have to wait until the end of the game before there's any real content to do with the Origin story, and if you're a dead Warden then Marethari must have a Tardis disguised as one of the clan's aravels.

 

As to the OP's point about not seeing the results of your side quests in Inquisition, why then do many side quests relating to killing certain enemies or enemy groups have them no longer showing up in the area, or in no more than one or two small groups. Blatant and lasting evidence of your accomplishing the goal of the side quest.

Pretty sure the three keeps you can capture are all side quests, as are acquiring Agents for the Inquisition.

[luism]

If origins were doctor dre he'd say :

I started this dragon age **** and is the muthafugn thx I get?

[Fullmetall21]

1. They avoided to show how the controls for PC were used during their stream. They prefered to sell us "PC gamer at heart" with this commercial.

 

 

2. They avoided to tell us that 80% of the content were big open zones areas not related to main plot that were filled with content that don't have any real impact on the game. So what are there for if it's just being filler ? MP ?

 

 

Do you want me to go on and seek every videos of Bioware or do you stop to play the fan boy by saying "it's your fault people".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this game shoud burn, NO! I'm saying that is taking a direction that I don't wish it to take.

 

I already said the pc controls are not good before that is a fact i never said otherwise what I said was that I got used to them and I don't mind them at this point. Could they be better ? of course they could but that is beside the point. As for the commercials that's how advertising works and I and possibly you don't know how much impact did Bioware have in the creation of the commercials since I believe that's EA's job.

 

As for your second point there could be more ties to the main quest that for sure. Is it bad the way it is now? For me no. No one is forcing you to do those zones if you don't want to they are giving you a choice do you want to do side quests or do you want to just do the main quest and be done with it. The areas are vastly larger than Origins and yet Origins had side quests in those smaller areas. Did it work better? most likely did for most people however that doesn't automatically means Inquisition is bad. I very much enjoyed the Emerald Graves being 100% side quest area. 

 

You can play this game almost the same way you played Origins if that's what you like do your main quests and some side quests why should everyone play the game in an exact same way? I understand where you're coming from I am not saying you are wrong in your beliefs you make fair points however to return to my original post and the OP's point Origins stories? combat in the same way Origins did it? Did Bioware ever say it would be like that? Now you can correct me if I'm wrong since I didn't follow every promotion and video since the very beginning but I at least don't remember them ever saying that.

 

You said you don't like the direction the game is taking. That is your right of course not everyone would like it and that's fine but saying the game is bad in general because you don't like it and trying to force your opinion on others with posts like these (how can anyone like what I don't like that's what this post is all about) is not good. You don't like it that's alright what could have made the game better? what would you like see changed? what not? these are all good questions and would avoid this discussion.

 

Saying I don't like it because it's not Origins v2 and then go on and explain what you liked of Origins is ridiculous. What is the point of creating the same game over and over again? Would people not call Bioware lazy then? The way people trying to prove their point in these topics are more close to I don't like the game and those who do are fools because Origins was so much better.

[Rekkampum]

[snip]

I have more than twelve original characters on DA:O and every DLC with a variety of choices in each playthrough. I still like Inquisition alot. There are some great elements to DA:O I like and wish they'd be repeated, but I'm not going to base my entire enjoyment off of them not being present in Inquisition. Inquisition isn't perfect and neither was Origins. That didn't stop me from plugging no less than 100 hours in my first playthrough.

[hexaligned]

Bolding is mine.

 

God, YES, good times. Might & Magic VI & VII were and are among my fave RPGs of all time.

 

But according to today's "standards", they wouldn't even be considered RPGs anymore (And that's so depressing) because there are no decisions & no romance in those games, just an excellent story, a fascinating world to explore and it hasn't lost any of its charm to me. Just hearing the main theme of Mandate Of Heaven again gives me incredible nostalgia. And tbh, DAI is closer to the golden BG glory days than either DAO OR DAII ever were.

Yes I brought this up before, BG2 for example you could wander around Athkatla for 30 hours doing side quests if you really WANTED to, you didn't have to.  I think the majority of complaints are coming from people who started playing Bioware games in the ME/DAO era.  Linearity isn't any newer of an idea than open games, both have existed since the beginning of gaming, Bioware had just been making linear games lately (as in the last 10 years).

[bEVEsthda]

While I'm sure that the number of players who meet that description is not insignificant, I doubt you have any statistics to back up that assumption.

 

But I do. Of course I have. I'm surprised you are so unaware, since this issue has come up so intensively, with Bioware, in discussions? EA/Biowares research (which I can always claim is made on an unrepresentative test group, as it likely isn't made up exclusively of RPG players) gives a figure of, quote: "think it was about 60-40 in favor of voiced", according to Mike Laidlaw. Outside polls (which one can always claim are unrepresentative, of course, due to participation driven by interest in the issue) gives a 60-40 favor to silent.

 

But what was your point? What itches you?

[AlanC9]

So there are stats -- they just aren't very conclusive. And since Bio seems to like voiced...

[mindw0rk]

I loved DAO and I hate DAI. Literally everything about DAI except maybe characters and dialogues is wrong and flawed

[NugHugs]

By not focusing on what you miss from Origins. It's all I can do to make it through the day.

[Han Master]

Looks like shadow of mordor won gamespot's game of the year 2014 instead of DAI.

http://www.gamespot....-/1100-6423918/

[Ashevajak]

Yes I brought this up before, BG2 for example you could wander around Athkatla for 30 hours doing side quests if you really WANTED to, you didn't have to. 

 

With some of the combat and tactics mods out there, this was the only way to be levelled enough to survive some fights.  Improved Firkraag and Chosen of Cyric, I'm looking at you.

 

But yeah.  I don't get the sidequest hate.  Narrative is nice, it is what I play the Dragon Age series primarily for.  But exploration is also nice.  I know Skyrim gets criticised a lot on this forum, and not unfairly.  But one thing it did do well is provide some fairly gorgeous scenery and the ability to just go off climbing mountains, delving into caves and stripping down Dwemer ruins of all their valuables.  And that's without modding it, though I do that too.

 

And I think, while DA:I doesn't have quite that same scope, it's still one aspect of it I find enjoyable.  The Hinterlands is amazing....infuriating in places, but in terms of scope and scenery, it's awesome.  I was so excited the first time I stumbled upon Valammar, for example.  And of course, hidden boss fights are a staple of Bioware RPGs, so I'm sure there is some optional, extremely powerful enemy out there for the Inquisitor to discover...

[Giubba]

It is obvious this game was made for consoles first and PCs last...dead last, like only because they knew PC gamers would scream bloody murder if they didn't include us. Oh and they wouldn't get our money...that too.

Does it annoy me? Hell yeah! Having only 8 ability options to up there drives me nuts. I am hoping our skilled modding community will be able to fix that eventually (please dear Santa...all I want for Christmas is a modder that can fix the UI in this game!) but I still like the story and that's all that is really important to me.

False.

Inquisition wasn't made for console first but thanks to the implementation of gamepads in the pc version (something that people asked since origins) the dimwit that plague this place can wail about bad bioware who develop first for console

[berrieh]

1. They avoided to show how the controls for PC were used during their stream. They prefered to sell us "PC gamer at heart" with this commercial.

 

 

2. They avoided to tell us that 80% of the content were big open zones areas not related to main plot that were filled with content that don't have any real impact on the game. So what are there for if it's just being filler ? MP ?

 

 

Do you want me to go on and seek every videos of Bioware or do you stop to play the fan boy by saying "it's your fault people".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this game shoud burn, NO! I'm saying that is taking a direction that I don't wish it to take.

 

Uh...I saw that E3 footage, and I don't see how it's different than the game? They do side quests in the Hinterlands and kill the dragon. Personally, I don't find that stuff to be filler. Why would they advertise it as such when that doesn't even need to be what it is, when that's only SOME players opinions and others find the side stuff well done? (The only quibble in re-watching I can find is that The enemy AI isn't as intelligent as I hoped, but what was shown does happen. They are intelligent enough to put glyphs in strategic places.)

 

Didn't they show the PC UI on one of the Twitch streams? And what they do show in that vid of the Tac Cam is accurate. Isn't it possible they actually thought it was good (some PC players who play KB really don't have a problem and say it's similar to other games - not DA games - in its mapping; I don't know, but I think they truly thought it would play well). The definitely showed them playing with mouse+KB at least a few time (they did all different control and platforms in those streams). They can't show that everyone would like the controls because everyone is different, I imagine, but they played fairly easily with them. 

 

I know they showed a lot of the open world - and they said it would be open world. When the "40 endings" rumor was leaked, they stressed very clearly it was just different flavours. As to what side quests matter, I need the Keep to be updated before I have any idea. In the streams, we saw a lot of people running around in big open areas (because they could not show us story) and they did make small stories for most of the areas. They don't have cut scenes, but that doesn't mean the area doesn't have an over-arching story. Many of those over-arching stories connect to the main plot in some way (Cory's influence). 

 

Personally (controls aside - I play on controller, so can't say), I wasn't surprised by the open world aspects. I missed the idea of capturing a Keep and deciding what flavour it should have, but other than that, I really can't say I expected something wildly different. I knew it would be open world. And all DA games, all RPGs practically, have side quests unrelated to the main, collection quests, etc. So those didn't surprise me - except in good ways, like the astrarium puzzles being so fun. 

[Ascendra]

Not this again. Yes, I have a gazillion of playthroughs for DAO, yes I'm planning to do the same with Inquisition. Yes, I love both games. I even liked DA2, the horror!

Both games have strong and weak parts, both are great games. Yes, many people that like Origins actually do like Inquisition, because opinions.

[Farangbaa]

Lol, the 'great combat of DA:O'.

 

You mean.. this?

 

Glyph of Repulsion + Glyph of Paralysis --> Paralysis Explosion

Spell Might + Blizzard + Tempest --> Storm of the Centuries

 

In every single room.