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[DemGeth]

I miss in game dlc advertisements, companions behind a pay wall, and the best items in game being dlc most of all personally.

[Norwood06]

I liked vanilla DAO.  I *loved* DAO modded.  And I ran DAO heavily, heavily modded.  Mods is what enabled me to play DAO so many times. 

 

And now DAI.  I like it's vanilla version.  Don't love it.  Mod support is what is going to make or break it for me, at least regarding replay value.  The modders seem to be making good progress against Frostbite, so I'll hold onto hope.  

 

Of course there's a lot wrong with DAI.  But there's lots of good stuff too.   

[SofaJockey]

I might appreciate some of the detailed arguments made if it were not presented

under a hyperbolic whining troll thread title.

 

As the logic of the question can be addressed by a single contrary response (and I'm not the first)

 

I will simply say that much as I enjoyed DAO and DA2, I find DAI the better game in terms of combat mechanics and fidelity.

[Yosharian]

If you played DAO, especially if you played it multiple times, like as a dwarf noble, human noble, mage, etc, then you experienced a long introduction unique for any type of character you created. Take dwarf noble for example, a couple hours before the game really starts you are playing your 'origin' story. All choices have consequences and visual results. Before the game starts you choices as dwarf noble determine what happens with your brother, how other dwarves will view you, you have so many options you must reply a few times as dwarf noble alone to see all the variety of outcomes for the many choices.  For example at the feast do you support the land dwarves, or embarrass the noble pushing for that because his true motivation may be to get money, or challenge to a death duel, (3 different outcomes on that one little thing there), how your conversations go effect if you find your brother murdered or you fight him, many dialogue changes depending on things you said or what you did at the proving grounds, etc.  This is just a beginning story that nobody ever will see if they didn't play dwarf noble, then there are a ton of other beginning stories for each option.  All of this is nixed in DAI, you begin the same no matter what you select, so nothing different.  

 

In DAO, you are eager to return to your 'origin' area to address what disaster happened and also how various characters you interacted with during that origin story will react to you when you revisit them. 

 

In DAO, you see results for most of your side quests. In DAI many are fetch or find a letter with the last wish of a dead person and fulfill their last wish without ever talking to an NPC by fetching and dropping something.  

 

In DAO, all the zones had a deep story with it's own problems and villians.  The circle tower do you side w/ templars or help mages, and the possible outcomes.    In orizzmar who do you support as king, then with blanca do you support her or the golem, if blanca do you talk her out of making golems or support making them, etc. In Redcliffe the possessed brat and how do you resolve that or do you just leave and let the city get destroyed, if you solve that area do you sacrifice queen, save everybody, who do you send in the fade to help him, do you make a deal w/ the demon or not?    AND all of these choices show long term outcomes in the end game slides.  IN DAI - you are doing some quests in the other zones but you don't even know if you beat or fixed the area or not, not much of a story, mostly claim areas and if you run out of things to do you assume it's done, no end game slides on helping the area and in the side zones no choices, you either help them or don't.

 

In DAO you must get allies and visit the zones for your battles, if you don't get allies then on the final battle scenes you don't have them.  If you do you can summon them to help. In DAI, you never use your allies, no end game slides either for getting or not getting them.  

 

DAO expansion w/ being able to customize the keep and upgrade it was more interactive then DAI.  Were you excited in DAI how the chantry or garden look identical and the difference being 2 or 6 potable plants? Or the tower upgrade only being either templar or mage NPCS inside the back tower? The keep not being used for anything? 

 

I don't understand how so many love DAI UNLESS you didn't play DAO, then I understand completely.  If you played DAO and on biowares promises that DAI would be going back to its roots and being like DAO but better, you'd be pissed off they lied.   

 

I could go on further but find it funny people think negative reviews are just trolls, must be that DAI got a lot of first time sales and since most console games don't have much substance, they are mostly action/fight, nobody knows any better. 

I completely agree.  DA:O had a level of character introduction that really made it stand out from other RPGs.  It was one of the best things about the game.  I too played through the game three times, as a human, elf and dwarf.  Everything else you said is completely accurate as well.

 

I think the issue is that for a lot of people DA has been a transition game that introduced them to RPGs.  If any of them played DA:O (and I don't think a lot of them did), they didn't really appreciate a lot of the things DA:O did.  For them, the series is 'more of the same' but with added 'inclusivity' that they really like.  I can't blame them for liking the game, any more than they should blame us for disliking it.

 

This is completely separate from the completely objective problems DA:I has (e.g. shitty UI/controls), however, which should be roundly condemned by anyone who isn't a total moron.

[FreshRevenge]

I almost don't want to come on these forums anymore. All I see now is people posting ridiculous threads on how they dislike the game. Do we have angry butthurt teenagers or what?

 

Each game in the series offers something different. People need to realize that Bioware told Dragon Age Origins story and now is moving on. Stay in the past and get left behind. I have enjoy Dragon Age Inquisition immensely. I am on my fourth playthrough. I even tried the mp and that was fun.

[AllThatJazz]

I agree with that I believe that some people just don't like changes, it's not bad in fact my best friend is like that I bet that when Origins launched people were on about how it's not like Baldur's Gates or whatever older RPG at the time.

 

 

I was one of those people. I didn't vocalise my disappointment on the forums, but I wanted BG3 (to me BG2 had been the perfect game), and I was bitterly disappointed that DAO wasn't it and so was predisposed to dislike the game even from before release; and despite claims of 'spritual successor' I saw nothing of BG in DAO aside from the most superficial of qualities. I hated it, and didn't finish and put it aside. After a few months, having nothing else to play and hearing good things about it, I decided to try it again, but this time with a fresh pair of eyes, trying to enjoy the game for what it offered rather than lamenting what it didn't when compared to this impossible to achieve benchmark of BG2, my 'perfect' game.

 

And whaddya know, by the end of that playthrough, Origins had become one of my favourite games of all time and one I've played on numerous occasions

 

Nostalgia can be really cruel - it blinded me to the faults of BG2 even though I know it had them, and made me incapable of enjoying other games as much, and was very hard to overcome. As soon as I booted up BG2 (and PS:T for that matter) I'd be flooded with these fabulous feelings of warmth, familiarity with the terrific characters, perfectly at ease with the mechanics etc. I still get those feelings when I start the game now, but now I recognise them for what they are and don't allow them to make me bitter when playing something else.

 

OT, I love DAI just as I (eventually) loved DAO. Some things I love about them are the same - the characters, the setting, the lore, the dialogue and writing, the perfect balance (for me) of humour and seriousness, the scattering of decisions I find really tough to make.

 

Some things I love more about DAO - I preferred Loghain, Howe and the Archdemon to Corypheus for example. I also loved the Origins stories. Other things I prefer about DAI - that sense of being able to drown myself in the world, Skyhold, the character creator, the companion arcs and romances, I also love the War Table.

 

In terms of gameplay, I think combat has had its problems in both titles (I'm on PC with kb&m). In DAI the tac cam is a bit rubbish and doesn't zoom out enough, but because I never used the advanced tactics in DAO or DA2 the rest of the Tactical stuff doesn't directly affect me, though I do sympathise with those who liked that system. I like the fact that it's faster in DAI, though. In Origins, the slow pace did bother me, I found combat very boring and clunky, and a bit of a chore.

[Pacman]

I played through DA2 more times than DAO and for me it is a better game. DAI is my favorite of the series and I'm already doing a 3rd playthrough.

 

Wow different opinions? PREPOSTEROUS!

[HereticDante]

Oh good another hyperbolic angry nostalgia thread.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think the issue is that for a lot of people DA has been a transition game that introduced them to RPGs.  If any of them played DA:O (and I don't think a lot of them did), they didn't really appreciate a lot of the things DA:O did.  For them, the series is 'more of the same' but with added 'inclusivity' that they really like.  I can't blame them for liking the game, any more than they should blame us for disliking it.

 

Not only did I play Origins (nine times!) but before that I'd been playing BioWare games since Baldur's Gate. That's wasn't my first CRPG, though - I started with Blade of Destiny in 1994. And yet despite all that, I love Inquisition. Not all old school CRPG fans who are members of the PC gaming master race hate new things, you know.

 

In fact, Inquisition reminds me a lot of the first Baldur's Gate in many ways. Far more than DAO or DA2 did.

[Vilegrim]

I like DA:I it's not as good as DA:O, but DA:I is still a good game, not a great one, but good.

[Battlebloodmage]

Control: DAI is annoying and not intuitive since it's made for console, DAO is a lot smoother

Gameplay: I prefer the fast pace of DAI but miss the finishing moves from DAO 

Romance: I find both games' romance for m/m to be terrible, so I don't play it for the romance. I find the straight romances to be better like with Cullen and Alistair

[AllThatJazz]

Not only did I play Origins (nine times!) but before that I'd been playing BioWare games since Baldur's Gate. That's wasn't my first CRPG, though - I started with Blade of Destiny in 1994. And yet despite all that, I love Inquisition. Not all old school CRPG fans who are members of the PC gaming master race hate new things, you know.

 

In fact, Inquisition reminds me a lot of the first Baldur's Gate in many ways. Far more than DAO or DA2 did.

Like, many likes. A gazillion likes for you!

[spinachdiaper]

I expected DAI to be DA2's combat housed a weak Skyrim clone and I've enjoyed it for what it is. DAO was the last of a dying breed it seems. DAI was way better than DA2.

[Bizantura]

DAO is worth gold because of the caracters alone.  A big plus is its modding ability.  I had lots of fun playing it but simply put it is not a perfect game and feels very outdated today.

I enjoy DAI for what it is and don't mind the changes, for me the RPG aspect is different but not diminished in any way.  For me a game doesn't have to be perfect to be enjoyable and fun to play.  I do mis the not modding part very much.

[One4sakenAngel]

 I honestly love DA:O and DA:I. Crazy, right?

 I'm not saying that they're without their flaws, but they have both secured a place in my heart. After everything that happened with Destiny (now that was false advertising!), it was nice having a game be what I expected it to be. I didn't feel led on and I still don't. I'm sorry that some people are soured on this game, but that's just how it is. Play what makes you happy, stop wasting time on what doesn't.

[txgoldrush]

All three DA games simply are not great. Its Bioware's "B-team" franchise.

[Silcron]

... Because it's a good game?
 
That was easy.
 
That's like asking how I could like Gears of War after having played Spec Ops: The Line.
 
 
 

 
I forgot that Alien: Isolation, The Wolf Among Us, The Walking Dead Season 2, Forza Horizon 2, Metro 2033 and Last Light Redux, the Tomb Raider and The Last of Us remakes, Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, and Dark Souls II are all PC exclusive.

Not to mention Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, or, I don't know. Dragon Age Origins. I still dream of the day I can play those on a console. For the time being I'll just play KotOR on my ipad *sigh*

[Fantazm1978]

a load of absolute guff

 

 

Christ alive. I've only been out of bed less than an hour today but if I end up reading anything that I think is more of a load of old rubbish than that I'll be surprised.

[Farangbaa]

I just love people and their highly selective memories.

 

ME2 best RPG ever? You don't remember the cries of Shepard dying in the intro? The retcons? Or how it, you know, dumbed down every RPG aspect?

DA:O best RPG ever? You don't remember the cries of how it wasn't like BG? You don't remember the **** tonne of bugs that needed patching?

 

Time to take off those nostalgia glasses.

[slick_ktm]

Yeah , i love DA:O and i think its one of the best RPGs of its time. And i think DA:I is even better.

 

Now what?

[dsl08002]

I love DAO still, the story and everything

DAI is nowhere near DAO in any way and there are many faults in the game which I will not count now. but for all its fault I like DAI and I would say its Ok. I don't love it but I like it.

However I in my opinion DAI is a game that doesn't leave you inclined to continue. Its in the categories of games where you only play 2 times and no more, then the game will stay in the drawer for 6 months and you only bring it up if you get the inspiration back.

[Rifneno]

Loved DAO.
Hated, and I mean goddamn HATED DA2.
Loved DAI, at least as much as Origins, maybe a bit more.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I like all Dragon Age games, they're fun, including DA2 and mega sidequest Inquisition. For me was, is and always will DA:O the best in the entire series.

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[Corto81]

For me...

 

Vanilla DA:O was great. 9/10.

Small flaws, felt like a game designed to be a great RPG, replay value one million.

Modded DA:O is fantastic. 9.5/10.

 

Vanilla DA:I is good. 7-7.5/10.

Felt like a game that was a product of the industry and just veered away from the RP core. Replay value gone once the novelty wore off.

 

Mods are not supported and the modders are basically having to battle through everything to get stuff in...

IF they succeed, I think there's certain stuff that would make the game MUCH more enjoyable.

 

In the end, if the modders succeed and improve the game, I'm sure I'll get many enjoyable playthroughs out of it yet.

If the modders fail, I won't be playing DA:I again for a long time - especially with TW3, Blooborne, PoE, Numenora all coming out in the next 6 months.