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The game was originally human only, so I'm sure they would have had a commoner background. It would have probably been similar to a Qunari background.. maybe a merc or something. But instead, the Chantry invites Qunari mercs at the Conclave instead of humans. lol


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That's the thing, I really don't think you could be some qunari. I really think they just added this other stuff in to satisfy fans, hence the lack of origins stories.

 

Elves at least feel treated if they're banging the cue-ball, lol, but I've still yet to see anyone justify a Dalish actually leading the human Andrastians.

 

It was pretty obvi that the inquisitor was a human. The whole theme's basically challenging one's faith. Andrastian faith.


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And you could see them making one of these people the inquisitor?

Well, it's more plausible than making a Dalish elf, a qunari mercenary, or a dwarf mobster the Inquisitor. The real problem is that a servant wouldn't know what to do with a sword or a bow.



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And you could see them making one of these people the inquisitor?

Well yes, because it happened to the other races. I'm not saying it makes as much sense, or that they'd be anyone's first choice, but surviving the explosion and getting the mark are what ultimately gave the PC their place in the Inquisition, regardless of background.



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Well, it's more plausible than making a Dalish elf, a qunari mercenary, or a dwarf mobster the Inquisitor. The real problem is that a servant wouldn't know what to do with a sword or a bow.

They could always throw in "My ma was an ex blah blah, or my uncle was", etc. I agree it makes more sense than non humans though.



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Well yes, because it happened to the other races. I'm not saying it makes as much sense, or that they'd be anyone's first choice, but surviving the explosion and getting the mark are what ultimately gave the PC their place in the Inquisition, regardless of background.

 

The mark, and the fact that Divine Justinia was an idiot. She tasked Cass and Leli to form the Inquisition, but she wanted it to be "neutral". So Cass and Leli wouldn't lead. Instead randomjoe3432 gets to lead.



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Well yes, because it happened to the other races. I'm not saying it makes as much sense, or that they'd be anyone's first choice, but surviving the explosion and getting the mark are what ultimately gave the PC their place in the Inquisition, regardless of background.

Eh, since there is so much emphasis on reputation and perception of the Inquisition among the populous, it still wouldn't make sense of them to prop a non-human up as the the face of the Inquisition, especially if that non-human refuses to play up the Herald of Andraste angle (and you are allow to shout about how not blessed you are every time it comes up). It's more likely that they would prop up someone more palatable to the masses like Cassandra as a figurehead Inquisitior while allowing the non-human to do their thing behind the scenes.



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Well yes, because it happened to the other races. I'm not saying it makes as much sense, or that they'd be anyone's first choice, but surviving the explosion and getting the mark are what ultimately gave the PC their place in the Inquisition, regardless of background.

Again I don't think other races fit either. To me, them making you the actual leader of the chantry aligned force only seems plausible as a human of some stature, as you're dealing with nobles and their families, trying to gain their support, and your house standing comes up several times. You have to know how to do those snooty dances too for Orlais at one point as well and so on.

 

It's possible. One can spin a tale for a lot of things, but it isn't very ideal in my mind. What's so bad about being a noble anyway, the commoner rising to the top's played out. Sometimes, the special snowflakes are the already special snowflakes. They are more likely to have skills and knowledge that makes them natural born leaders after all.



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Well, not natural born, but you get me.



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Also, yea we were nobles, but we weren't in very high positions. We were expected to be templars or dedicate ourselves to the Chantry in some way, due to being the youngest, so it's not like we get all the prestige of noble birth. We're like middle class of the noble world, especially being of the Free Marches around Orlesians.



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Again I don't think other races fit either. To me, them making you the actual leader of the chantry aligned force only seems plausible as a human of some stature, as you're dealing with nobles and their families, trying to gain their support, and your house standing comes up several times. You have to know how to do those snooty dances too for Orlais at one point as well and so on.

 

It's possible. One can spin a tale for a lot of things, but it isn't very ideal in my mind. What's so bad about being a noble anyway, the commoner rising to the top's played out. Sometimes, the special snowflakes are the already special snowflakes. They are more likely to have skills and knowledge that makes them natural born leaders after all.

I pretty much agree with what you're saying, therefore a human commoner would at least make more sense than any of the non-humans that we can play as, yes?



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Also, yea we were nobles, but we weren't in very high positions. We were expected to be templars or dedicate ourselves to the Chantry in some way, due to being the youngest, so it's not like we get all the prestige of noble birth. We're like middle class of the noble world, especially being of the Free Marches around Orlesians.

 

Yeah, Trevelyan doesn't rule Ostick if I recall (they're Arls, not the Teyrn). And we just the runt of the family, who can't excel. My dude is just a Chantry brother and law expert, who never could shine or use his real skills. It's not anything to be proud about. Sounds like it sucked. He spent most of his time at the Chantry entertaining kids and juggling knives.



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I pretty much agree with what you're saying, therefore a human commoner would at least make more sense than any of the non-humans that we can play as, yes?

Yes, but it still makes less sense than a noble human. Since each race only got one origin this time, it's understandable why they went noble again.



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^^ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: @ Streetmagic's post.



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I pretty much agree with what you're saying, therefore a human commoner would at least make more sense than any of the non-humans that we can play as, yes?

Yes, just not by much in my book. But yes, more sense than non humans.

 

Yeah, Trevelyan doesn't rule Ostick if I recall (they're Arls, not the Teyrn). And we just the runt of the family, who can't excel. My dude is just a Chantry brother and law expert, who never could shine or use his real skills. It's not anything to be proud about. Sounds like it sucked. He spent most of his time at the Chantry entertaining kids and juggling knives.

LOL he was a rogue I take it? :lol:



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Yes, but it still makes less sense than a noble human. Since each race only got one origin this time, it's understandable why they went noble again.

Yeah, it makes sense especially when it was a human-only game, the noble would likely be the "default" background. Maybe in the next game they can fit in a couple different backgrounds for each race.



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Yes, just not by much in my book. But yes, more sense than non humans.

 

LOL he was a rogue I take it? :lol:

 

That character, yeah. 

 

I have to say I like the mage origin more, but I can work with this. :)

 

Good thing about rogues is that they keep up their abilities all the time.. going hunting or playing with knives. :P



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I wasn't even aware the game was human only. Glad it's not. I would only play human but I like seeing all the unique characters.

 

But that gives me more credence when arguing this point, since a lot of people insist Dalish are the canon Inquisitor, lol. Yea, no.



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That's the thing, I really don't think you could be some qunari. I really think they just added this other stuff in to satisfy fans, hence the lack of origins stories.

Elves at least feel treated if they're banging the cue-ball, lol, but I've still yet to see anyone justify a Dalish actually leading the human Andrastians.

It was pretty obvi that the inquisitor was a human. The whole theme's basically challenging one's faith. Andrastian faith.


Wow. Way to erase the faith of Andrastrian dwarves, Qunari, and Andrastian-curious elves, sheesh. :P

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Wow. Way to erase the faith of Andrastrian dwarves, Qunari, and Andrastian-curious elves, sheesh. :P

:P Lol I'm sure their brethren with think I'm doing them a favor. Andrastian dwarves, qunari and elves... Disgraces.



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I wasn't even aware the game was human only. Glad it's not. I would only play human but I like seeing all the unique characters.

 

But that gives me more credence when arguing this point, since a lot of people insist Dalish are the canon Inquisitor, lol. Yea, no.

Elf fans tend to be a bit... well, fanatical. Seriously. That's where all the crazies in the fan base tend to congregate.



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I wasn't even aware the game was human only. Glad it's not. I would only play human but I like seeing all the unique characters.

 

But that gives me more credence when arguing this point, since a lot of people insist Dalish are the canon Inquisitor, lol. Yea, no.

 

The Inquisitor was originally going to be Hawke. Then people whined about DA2. Then a new human. Then people complained again.



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The Inquisitor was originally going to be Hawke. Then people whined about DA2. Then a new human. Then people complained again.

Thank GODDDDD. I did NOT want to see Hawke as the protagonist again.

 

Actually, I did argue that maybe DA should take that turn to a reoccurring protag like Mass Effect. What the **** was I smoking that day.



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Elf fans tend to be a bit... well, fanatical. Seriously. That's where all the crazies in the fan base tend to congregate.

Ha, yea I noticed. Definitely noticed. Though there's a lot of insecure frat boy beta males in the opposite camp as well, so it's not all just the Dalish fans from what I've observed. Been lurking around the forum since Mass Effect 1.



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I don't even care if they're not that well integrated (ok I care but not enough to say its be better with just humans), putting player races back in is the best decision they made for DA: I.

The second best is Dorian.
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