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[Colonelkillabee]

I don't even care if they're not that well integrated (ok I care but not enough to say its be better with just humans), putting player races back in is the best decision they made for DA: I.

The second best is Dorian.

Agreed, no diversity is boring. Even if the other races aren't as appropriate, so what right? They still provide interesting playthroughs.

[Colonelkillabee]

I liked Hawke, but I understand it wasn't for everyone. I just don't think they should change their ideas when they know the stories best. The reason for the complaints is many people just want DAO again (and they still do... how about that). Without knowing this story, they demand it be more like DAO. But this isn't a story about Wardens.. and trying to make it open ended feels a bit tacked on.

I liked Hawke as well for what he was, but his story is that he's a failure basically. Not because it was his fault, not mostly, lol, but because of fate. I can appreciate it, but the series started off as making your own characters and stories. That's what drew me to them and that's what will make me stay.

 

Hawke was fine enough though. He got way too much hate for very little reason, and luckily people finally realize that with Inquisition.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I only play humans and I'm still glad they included it, even if it does require some suspension of disbelief to work into the plot. A certain degree of fanservice is needed in any sort of franchise product. And I would want humans to still be an option if DA4's story would actually make the most sense for a qunari/elf/dwarf.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

See, making him the Inquisitor was going to move past that. That he really wasn't a failure per se, but a person who knew what it was like to be pulled by opposing forces. Somewhat of a neutral party, for the most part. That's why Cassandra was looking for him or her. To help solve the madness.

I was a Hawke fan, and I still don't really think Hawke Inquisitor would have been that great. Most of his(/her) appeal was his relationships with the other characters in DA2, and I think it would have been a bit implausible to have Hawke's gang as the ground team of the Inquisition. I'm not totally sold on Hawke being able to ground an entirely (or almost entirely) new group like Shepard did with ME2.

[Colonelkillabee]

See, making him the Inquisitor was going to move past that. That he really wasn't a failure per se, but a person who knew what it was like to be pulled by opposing forces. Somewhat of a neutral party, for the most part. That's why Cassandra was looking for him. To help solve the madness. Now the story just floats away.. lost potential.

 

edit: Or her.

Worth it. I romanced Merrill, so Cassandra would be off limits

 

And anyway, I was tired of him by the time the game was over. It did seem kinda lame that all that happened and he comes back as really no one significant. I get why they said he stopped going by the Champion. Kind of a hollow title when all you did was make yourself rich, get everyone you loved killed or shipped off, then basically participated in the battle for Kirkwall. At least you stopped more deaths, but eh.

 

Two games to build up one character to real importance just seems a bit much. Glad it got dropped for someone new even if it meant that Hawke's story was weakened for it.

 

This does explain the lack of a real origin story though.

[Broganisity]

I'd have appreciated origin variants for the characters, but since they have voice acting I can imagine the additional work required to get it all down when you wouldn't for a silent protagonist.

I do hope that each race can have a choice of one or two origins when selected in the next game...maybe barring Qunari, all things considered.

[Colonelkillabee]

And yes, Hawke's story was a personal one, which is why I didn't mind his insignificance. Guys on the ground and their tales aren't bad after all. It was sort of refreshing.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'd have appreciated origin variants for the characters, but since they have voice acting I can imagine the additional work required to get it all down when you wouldn't for a silent protagonist.
 

Ah yea, I forgot about that.

[Squeeze the Fish]

I actually just noticed this trend the other day. However, it doesn't seem to...matter?... at all in DA:I. Like, there's no real 'meat' to back up your claim that you are who you say you are. What are there, like three? war table text-only missions where it applies? I don't know. There wasn't any depth to the noble lineage this time around, could have just as easily been a commoner.

[LilyasAvalon]

Technically Hawke DID live as a commoner (one in hiding one might add) for at least the first 20 or something years of their life.

 

When they were making Origins, there were apparently plans to do a human commoner and human avvar/chasind origin. They were cut for reasons of time, budget and story.

[ArvinDulku]

I'll up front honest about this, I was highly, horribly dissapointed that they reintroduced multiple races.

 

I have been RPG'ing for the past 20 odd years, and in the hundreds of charcaters I have played since, all have been human. So the idea that there might been multiple human origins (i know this was merely a rumour, but I have seen it repeated a few times, enough for me to conclude there must have been some smoke) only to be replaced by races I will never touch(and I try, I do) makes me a sad panda.

 

I wanna play an Avvar/Chasind damnit.

 

Anyway, I am pleased with noble background, cause at least it is the only background that allows me to RP with near all the convo perks considering he/she is the only one with the legit educational background to have studied all those areas. Only one I unlocked late in game was the undergound one, which i justified by the fact my Protag spends to much time with Varric.

 

So yeah, noble background for the win.

[Willowhugger]

I don't want to play Avarr or Chasined because "human" means generic European peasant or noble.

 

I would consider them every bit as alien as Dalish.

And if I had to play one, I'd probably skip the game.

[ArvinDulku]

I don't want to play Avarr or Chasined because "human" means generic European peasant or noble.

 

I would consider them every bit as alien as Dalish.

And if I had to play one, I'd probably skip the game.

 

...Okay? And Elves are the most cliched fantasy trope in history, your point?

 

Maybe I should clarify.

 

I was PERSONALLY dissapointed, I DO NOT begrudge others the oppurtinity to play whatever the hell they want.

 

RPG people tend to be vast communities of differing personalities and taste, it is all cool.

 

Do see why you had to jump on my post, lol.

 

Edit : The Avvar throw Goats are peoples castle for some reason, nothing generic European about that, unless I am missing something.

[Willowhugger]

...Okay? And Elves are the most cliched fantasy trope in history, your point?

 

Maybe I should clarify.

 

I was PERSONALLY dissapointed, I DO NOT begrudge others the oppurtinity to play whatever the hell they want.

 

RPG people tend to be vast communities of differing personalities and taste, it is all cool.

 

Do see why you had to jump on my post, lol.

 

Was I jumping?

I was just saying that I like to play vanilla humans.

 

I don't begrudge other players for wanting more options.

Fog-Warrior would be an awesome class but it would be a hard sell to me as a background.

[ArvinDulku]

Was I jumping?

I was just saying that I like to play vanilla humans.

 

I don't begrudge other players for wanting more options.

Fog-Warrior would be an awesome class but it would be a hard sell to me as a background.

 

I did think I would run a Qunari at least, Or Dalish as a hardcore Andrastian.

 

The Quanri failed in concept itself, cause IB is so freaking awesome I would be but a pale pretender.

 

Dalish Elf lasted about 40 - 50 hours before I got so bored I deleted her.

 

Fog Warriors are interesting, yes.

[ArvinDulku]

Probably would be cool to have a fog warrior companion though.

 

They're called warriors, but they actually sound like rogues to me. Or maybe just stealthy warriors?

 

Agreed, they definately sound like a bastardised version of Ninja's and... stuff.

 

Well, I guess they have warriors and hedge mages as well though.

[Gaesesagai]

Speaking of human origins in DAI. I went for human mage and when Josephine asks you about contacting your family I said we get along great and whatnot. Later on I realised the text warrior and rogue get at start, about being raised to be templars... and since I'm not ok with templars or the mentality that supports them in any way shape or sense, it kind of bugged me. Is the human mage in DAI supposed to be at odds with his family? As in are they all chantry/templar groupies who freak out over a mage son? I'm curious what others think about this (be it a more in depth explanations of the game texts or headcannon, doesn't matter )

[ArvinDulku]

It's up to you. My noble didn't like his family (not hated them... just the atmosphere and upbringing).

They aren't so tough, Hawke murder stomped one Arishok and King Alistair beat another in fair combat.

Well, I hope DA does move on to a potential Qunari invasion.

Cause it will be crushed, crushed I say.