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[Vylix]

The Audacity of game companies is very strange.

1) You bring a beta game at full price on the market.
2) With respect to equipment, game length and control you have lied to us.
3) The game is not playable for many buyers (CTD, DirectX, etc)
4) The patch2 and Hotfix has made everything worse.
5) BIOWARE and EA wraps himself in creative silence as with ME3.
6) Fix No problems! Getting Bioware nothing better to do than nonsensical and overpriced DLC's on the market. A good joke!
    I have the choice to spend even more money on an unfinished S....
    Are you insane?

So, me enough! One month after the release of the game is still unfinished and you get nothing but crappy DLC's.

Does what you want. No respect for buyers, not respect for BIOWARE!!!
You're either become incapable (which I doubt) or the shareholders interested you more than the paying customer.
You and the other manufacturers have milked us long enough, but slowly it's time to show you who rules the world!

There is a joke that a loss for words!

 

It is also interesting in the forums where DA: I is offered illegally, the players do not have this problems. Are the Denuvo or DRM the problem?

F... the buyer or I have to understand that?

Honestly I am disappointed with Inquisition but I don't think there's any reason to be this angry over everything. y'know. Relax a little have a little faith in Bioware, maybe try and give some constructive criticism. Point out what they did well, point out what they did poorly and perhaps offer suggestions of what they could have done better. It's easier to listen to constructive criticism than it is to have someone yell at you for everything you did wrong, and the suggestions might give ideas for what we could see to fix some of the problems either with inquisition now or in a future Dragon Age game. Part of the problem is that Bioware keeps overcompensating for everything, If we try and give some more level headed and constructive responses as opposed to constantly being aggressive and angry over what we view as 'wrong' or 'poorly done' it might help gauge the level of importance and disappointment towards certain features in perspective. Afterall, the loudest voices are usually the ones giving the most negative or harsh opinions.

 

1. Yeah. no I can somewhat agree with this, It's buggy as hell and unplayable for some people, Even patch 2 for a while broke more than it fixed. This said, Kudos for the fast hot patch, but Bioware needs to let us know they're working on it ASAP. Communication guys! This said they probably eliminated far more bugs than we know of during alpha and beta testing. They're not exactly working with a familiar or friendly engine.

 

2. Alright explain what you mean by equiptment and controls. I get that pc controls kind of suck but really once you get use to them the lack of response time in game (particularly for rogues) is what hurts more than anything. This might be because the controls are somewhat similar to my controls setup for Neverwinter and WoW when I played with a touchpad.  As for game length the main story should take 20-40 hours if you're rushing. Doing the more interesting side quests (The main storyline of various areas, particularly crestwood, Capturing keeps, companion stories ect) should tack on at least another 20 hours. So honestly 40-60 hours isn't that bad for a fairly rushed play, especially since you should also play each major event where you take a side multiple times so you can experience all the content. There's also multiplayer if you can stand some of its instability which can add in a few more hours. I'm nearing 200 hours of time racked up, and honestly for the amount I paid for it? That's some pretty fair priced amusement.

 

3. This I can agree with. Patch 2 did however fix this for some people. That said it also broke it for a few others (I've had way more crashes since patch 2.)

 

4. Patch 2 yes. The hotfix? Not so much, more than anything it fixed the wonky issues that patch 2 brought on. anything the hotfix may have caused can overall be forgiven for the amount of stuff it fixed given the amount of time there was to work on it.

 

5. Elaborate on this, please. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here.

 

6. Actually the DLC they did release (and once again it was a free DLC) fixed a few issues with multiplayer. Overall less multiplayer games are screwed up due to a bug (such as a key failing to drop) and its way more fun to have more variety in enemies. I mean I tanked a Giant with a keeper running a support/survival set up. Do you know how fun that is? I'm having a blast with my keeper, Its great to see how much more successful most of the runs are when I'm playing that as opposed to a damage. It's also great to have a support type character option. It's no spirit healer but it makes me miss the spirit healer a little less. Now that multiplayer has some variety I'd like to see another patch done before they start working on more things, but overall I really don't see what your point is here.

 

 

I can agree that the amount of DLC a lot of games have lately is getting ridiculous however. When I drop 60 or 70 bucks for a game (which I rarely do now. Usually I wait till the price drops + a sale or until I can get an ultimate edition cheap) I don't want to be buying half of the game. Right now I feel inquisition ended on a poor note, as we have a cliffhanger and with Bioware's changing protagonists it feels like our inquisitor did not get a proper ending. This is somewhat understandable if the inquisition is going to be a part of the next game for one reason or another, But I don't particularly like the idea of running into my old protagonist. Especially with the whole Adamant scenario in this game. I hope something can be done to address this that doesn't make it feel like I'm paying to see the game's ending, but unfortunately I'm a little iffy on that being a possibility.

[coldflame]

Excuse me.  Just because I have trouble understanding exactly what he's saying (not his fault, since English isn't his first language), how does that make me a BW schill?  Have you even looked at the posts I've made or know anything about me at all?

 

Geez.  Go away.

Chill...., I used the word 'probably' didn't I? Someone woke up on the wrong side of bed today...

[Vylix]

@Vylix

 

1) Constructive criticism? Basically, I think you're right. The problem was also in ME3. It changed nothing.
Bioware has no interest what players want. DA: O I've played total 12 times. Then came DA2 and I terribly disappointed. The same Mass Effect series. In part 3, I was totally frustrated and now in DA: I I'm angry, not disappointed.

2) The main story in 20 to 40 hours? I have another experience

(snip!)

To be honest I liked DA2, and I did play it more than Origins. That said I played Origins on Ps3, loved it, bought ultimate editition for PC, my disc got scratched and I couldn't re-install it on my newer PC, and eventually I just opted to rebuy it again on steam. (Bioware has taken all my money! rofl)

(and did every origin at least once. had to do city elf both genders and multiple ways)

 

How long was your first playthrough? I was rushing it pretty hard and I only got it beat in 40 hours. I could probably get it down to 15ish hours now that I know the areas better, but I'd be skipping most of the companions and companion content.
 

 

Edit: also I disagree that they have no interest in what players want. I think sometimes they're stuck between a rock and a hard place though. Its hard to tell what amount of the playerbased liked certain features and what amount didn't. This is because the negative side is usually the loudest. You don't see a lot of feedback posts here talking about what players liked, its mostly about what they didn't like.

[Vylix]

Did you get all of the companions, do their approval based quests, and capture all the keeps or kill the dragons?

[Vylix]

Well thats your time problem in a nutshell. You've only done 3 companion quests. Personally I don't think they're boring, Particularly Cole's. They give you insight into the characters. There's also stories about the advisers as well as the game progresses.

Its not exactly that the 20-40 hours of content isn't there so much as the problem is you don't like or want to pursue it. That's an issue on your end, for the most part anyways, not Bioware's.

 

Also romance content, if you choose to pursue it.

[mutantspicy]

Regardless of what a lot of the Haters say, Bioware is a company that listens and attempts to get it right.  I've been buying Bioware Games for a long time.  The general synopsis is the game is usually pushing the envelope for the current market, and they make a bunch mistakes.  They eventually fix them.  That doesn't make everyone happy, because everybody has different expectations as to what this game should be.  This hasn't changed since Baldur's Gate 2.  Bioware is a great storyteller, so we are invested.  As opposed to certain other companies, where if game works great, if not no one cares.

 

And as far as saying this was unacceptable 10 years ago, are you flipping kidding me.  Did none of you live thru the 90's.  Patch after patch after patch.  Civilizations anyone? Tie Fighter, Quake, Unreal,Vampire Bloodlines, NWN? Has there ever been a PC game that didn't require patches after release?  I certainly don't remember one. People have short memories.

[Kantr]

Want a bugged game? Play AC:U or Unpatched Skyrim.

 

The bigger the game, the more complicated the code. There are so many different varitaions of hardware and software that its impossible to nail all the bugs.

 

Even DA:O has bugs, used to CTD every few hours for me. Particularly (memory overflow)

 

There's even one in Awakenings where you dont get your stuff back

[mutantspicy]

^Yep

As a modder I can remember the hell we all went thru when Awakening came out and there were missing items, new items, random conflicts, even if you didn't buy Awakenings the original Origins came was subject to all of the bugs created by that release.  

[berrieh]

Regardless of what a lot of the Haters say, Bioware is a company that listens and attempts to get it right.  I've been buying Bioware Games for a long time.  The general synopsis is the game is usually pushing the envelope for the current market, and they make a bunch mistakes.  They eventually fix them.  That doesn't make everyone happy, because everybody has different expectations as to what this game should be.  This hasn't changed since Baldur's Gate 2.  Bioware is a great storyteller, so we are invested.  As opposed to certain other companies, where if game works great, if not no one cares.

 

And as far as saying this was unacceptable 10 years ago, are you flipping kidding me.  Did none of you live thru the 90's.  Patch after patch after patch.  Civilizations anyone? Tie Fighter, Quake, Unreal,Vampire Bloodlines, NWN? Has there ever been a PC game that didn't require patches after release?  I certainly don't remember one. People have short memories.

 

And in the 90s, there were console games that were just broken. Or had broken parts. And no patch ever came. So PC was lucky - if they patched, which not everybody even bothered with. Not like now, where you pretty much know big issues will be fixed eventually. 

 

QT for PC games must be so difficult, with all the different potential hardware and issues that can arise. And that's on top of the kind of bugs that plague all systems and are so hard to test, or just quality of life issues that aren't immediately evident if you don't have an open beta (and a big story-driven RPG really shouldn't have an open beta) of some kind with people not related to the game testing it. 

 

I understand the frustration with bugs. Test your ****** games, people say, and this isn't just BioWare/EA. It's everyone. But I also understand that you can't catch all the bugs. It's just not possible. Not unless you're making something fairly simple or just an updated version of last year's game or something. 

 

BioWare will patch the majority of the problems and most of them that impact the majority of players are fairly minor. (If you truly can't run the game, I feel for you, but you could immediately get a refund from EA/Origin. Why not do so and buy later once it's fixed? This is basically the only way I know that you can get a refund for a game, even if the software doesn't work, at least in the U.S. where we don't have any particular laws to protect us. Steam just says go F--- yourself.) 

 

BioWare is asking PC players who are upset with the controls for feedback and working on that. How can it be done instantly? It really hasn't been long enough for them to do it right. They will. They are very responsive and do respond to feedback, but they don't show up to be punching bags. Why should they? 

 

As to why people feel lied to....I'm not clear on that. I also don't play with a Keyboard and never want to, so maybe it's just the PC Keyboard controls. But everything else seems pretty much as-promised. Some pre-alpha stuff got cut. Some stuff is clearly not done as broadly and boldly as their ambitions convey (in the game itself), so I can see where they wanted to do more, but all the stuff I watched in October was pretty spot-on with what was delivered. I wonder how much of the "lied to" comes from non-BioWare hype (like the 40 endings thing that they themselves rushed out to correct when someone leaked the idea of it). 

[mutantspicy]

Yeah and problem is you could never do an open beta with a game like this.  No one would buy the game, it would be completely spoiled by release.

[thanotos omega]

I can not understand you !! Have you no understanding, if in each part, the characters are different? Does it matter if the game is in every part of another?
Leliana was in DA: O is a wonderful character. In DA: I she is a psycho godmother.
We are continuously destroyed things where I wonder why I play the game at all? Why is there no ongoing story? Why must everything be always up to date?

Today complain player when there is too little blood. All this has no more meaning.
A game should tell a story and fun. Today it is just a business, lots of action, lots of blood, lots of money! That was it.
 

@mutantspicy
And do not call myself a hater. I pay for a product and want the best for my money. I play a game because I want to have fun and because I want to experience a nice one. I am aware, that Bioware can not all do everything well. But what bothers me, is that all the games are always superficial, stupid and inconsequential. Simply, the producers keep us stupid. And they are right!

People are stupid and will always stupid. You always pay more for less. No one wants to think more, no one wants a challenge, all that matters blood and more blood. This is moronic and without any intelligence.

Is it no longer possible a meaningful and workable game for € 60, - to ask?

 

BioWare and listen?

Apparently you have not followed the farce to ME3. It was never about to make the players happy. For a long time Bioware has remained silent, only to say that it is to maintain the artistic freedom. So, the players are ****, long live the artistic freedom !!!
Paid and keep their mouths.
Artistic freedom is OK. But you want to sell millions of copies of game. This does not work when I'm not listening to the people.
DA: I will NEVER reach the sales level of Skyrim, even though it was the great inspiration.
But what I'm talking about here. It does not matter, it does not change. Maybe I should plant herbs in the garden or whatever. The games are good for nothing more, and apparently nobody cares.

You really shouldn't call people stupid in a post with so many grammar issues, it makes you look really bad,

 

DA:I doesn't need to sell as many copies as Skyrim did, It's selling above expectations as it is, so that's a moot point,

 

They spent allot of money to release a free update to address many of the more common complaints about ME3's ending, so yeah they don't just cave into demands but they showed a willingness to meet fans half way, folks like you are why it takes so much effort to get game companies to listen, because infinite whining drowns out reasonable complaints,

[Astylith]

You really shouldn't call people stupid in a post with so many grammar issues, it makes you look really bad,

 

DA:I doesn't need to sell as many copies as Skyrim did, It's selling above expectations as it is, so that's a moot point,

 

They spent allot of money to release a free update to address many of the more common complaints about ME3's ending, so yeah they don't just cave into demands but they showed a willingness to meet fans half way, folks like you are why it takes so much effort to get game companies to listen, because infinite whining drowns out reasonable complaints,

 

*sarcasm* Obviously someone who doesn't have English as his/hers primary language is stupid themselves. */sarcasm*

 

Mass Effect 3's ending got retconned because Bioware saw the immense fan outrage and it hurt their franchise/company. I don't believe for a second that EA/Bioware management did this just because they read these forums, they did it because mainstream gaming media outlets complained, and they can't have that obviously.

[thanotos omega]

*sarcasm* Obviously someone who doesn't have English as his/hers primary language is stupid themselves. */sarcasm*

 

Mass Effect 3's ending got retconned because Bioware saw the immense fan outrage and it hurt their franchise/company. I don't believe for a second that EA/Bioware management did this just because they read these forums, they did it because mainstream gaming media outlets complained, and they can't have that obviously.

Of course they didn't do it because of these forums, there aren't enough players using these forums to support most indie games let alone a game that costs millions of dollars, we are barely worth acknowledgement,

 

They added to the endings (Nothing was actually changed to contradict what was there so not a retcon) because of widespread complaints, they were still getting high scores and must buy recommendations for the game, so the gaming press had little real impact there,

[AlanC9]

Apparently you have not followed the farce to ME3. It was never about to make the players happy. For a long time Bioware has remained silent, only to say that it is to maintain the artistic freedom. So, the players are ****, long live the artistic freedom !!!
Paid and keep their mouths.

I don't know what "paid and keep their mouths" means. As for the rest, it's not like Bio planned to make gamers mad with ME3.

But what I'm talking about here. It does not matter, it does not change. Maybe I should plant herbs in the garden or whatever. The games are good for nothing more, and apparently nobody cares.

Oh, we care. We just think the games are good.

[berrieh]

I can not understand you !! Have you no understanding, if in each part, the characters are different? Does it matter if the game is in every part of another?
Leliana was in DA: O is a wonderful character. In DA: I she is a psycho godmother.
We are continuously destroyed things where I wonder why I play the game at all? Why is there no ongoing story? Why must everything be always up to date?

Today complain player when there is too little blood. All this has no more meaning.
A game should tell a story and fun. Today it is just a business, lots of action, lots of blood, lots of money! That was it.

 

See, I think Leliana's character evolution from DA:O to DA:I was well-done. And I quite prefer her, find her more interesting, in DAI. 

 

First of all, this is clearly a story game but I don't think ALL games have to tell stories. Just sayin' All games should theoretically be fun, yes, though whether that is achieved that will differ from person to person.

 

DA:I does tell a story. To me, it has the best characters of all 3 games and tells a good story. (I'm not going to pretend it has no story weaknesses, but I don't think it has big ones or ones greater than previous story weaknesses; all games have some story weaknesses, but BioWare is among the best writers in the business.) And it is fun, but "fun" is a subjective rating.

 

As to why there is no ongoing story, do you mean between games? There are links, but they have chosen games that tell complete stories (unlike ME, though each of those except maybe 3 told a complete story on its own anyway - and 3 did too though relied heavily on your knowing a bit about 1 or 2, compared to the others). What is wrong with that? If you mean you don't want open world and only want linear narrative, then why buy a game that was advertised as the first (semi) open world Dragon Age? 

[mutantspicy]

I can not understand you !! Have you no understanding, if in each part, the characters are different? Does it matter if the game is in every part of another?
Leliana was in DA: O is a wonderful character. In DA: I she is a psycho godmother.
We are continuously destroyed things where I wonder why I play the game at all? Why is there no ongoing story? Why must everything be always up to date?

Today complain player when there is too little blood. All this has no more meaning.
A game should tell a story and fun. Today it is just a business, lots of action, lots of blood, lots of money! That was it.
 

@mutantspicy
And do not call myself a hater. I pay for a product and want the best for my money. I play a game because I want to have fun and because I want to experience a nice one. I am aware, that Bioware can not all do everything well. But what bothers me, is that all the games are always superficial, stupid and inconsequential. Simply, the producers keep us stupid. And they are right!

People are stupid and will always stupid. You always pay more for less. No one wants to think more, no one wants a challenge, all that matters blood and more blood. This is moronic and without any intelligence.

Is it no longer possible a meaningful and workable game for € 60, - to ask?

 

BioWare and listen?

Apparently you have not followed the farce to ME3. It was never about to make the players happy. For a long time Bioware has remained silent, only to say that it is to maintain the artistic freedom. So, the players are ****, long live the artistic freedom !!!
Paid and keep their mouths.
Artistic freedom is OK. But you want to sell millions of copies of game. This does not work when I'm not listening to the people.
DA: I will NEVER reach the sales level of Skyrim, even though it was the great inspiration.
But what I'm talking about here. It does not matter, it does not change. Maybe I should plant herbs in the garden or whatever. The games are good for nothing more, and apparently nobody cares.

Now you're just jumping all over the place, with no focused point.  I never played Mass Effect, so I don't know about the ME3 fiasco.   And Skyrim was Boring.  So if that's your grand comparison.  Move along. 

 

But I do have experience with Baldurs Gate, NWN, DAO, Jade Empire, KOTOR all launched with tons of bugs, which were eventually fixed.  User requested content was added at times.  Bioware does listen to its community, they have long track record of doing so. 

 

And no one is going to listen to a guy who is all pissed off just rambling on and on, with no direction.  So yes, no will listen to YOU.  You need to have a point first.

[Nerevar-as]

boy i just opened origin and saw that the infamous "overpriced" DLC is FREE! why doing this tantrum?

The people wasting time on the DLC could be fixing bugs, doing decent PC controls, and OP probably mixed DLC with the upgrade to the whateverisnamed edition in Origin, which consists mostly of DLC items.

[Little Princess Peach]

I understand NONE of charge! Good boy shut your mouth or how should I understand this? On my money EA does not say, that's not my problem

if you do not wish to pay for more content then don't no one is forcing you to buy more for the game

 

wenn Sie nicht wollen, um mehr Inhalte zu bezahlen dann nicht niemand zwingt Sie, mehr für das Spiel kaufen

[ShinsFortress]

*snip* have a little faith in Bioware, *snip*

 

 

No.  They lost that privilege after DA2 & ME3.

 

They need to re-earn my respect if they want my custom again.

[helpthisguyplease]

What DLC are you all talking about in DAI? Also Mass Effect 3 is a good game but not as good at Mass Effect 2 but with all the dlc you will get your moneys worth and I really like how Shepard dances . But I really like how Tali dances she has skills.