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[phaonica]

That's not true. The chant of light has it. The Maker created the Fade and he later created the real world separate from the Fade. To put it another way, the fade was all that existed and then reality outside of the fade was created at a later time.

The other cultures have spotty history of this time at best. Elves have no idea of their own history, dwarves are missing the earliest lore from their culture, and we don't have too much info on what the Old God beliefs were in terms of myths and such.

 

That's true, the Chant does say that the Maker created the Fade and then the Real World. But if he created them separate from each other in the first place, doesn't that imply that the Veil always existed?

[Ranadiel Marius]

That's true, the Chant does say that the Maker created the Fade and then the Real World. But if he created them separate from each other in the first place, doesn't that imply that the Veil always existed?

I can't wrap my head around how a metaphorical concept that exists solely to explain how two realities simultaneously exist on top of each other could exist without both realities existing. If either the fade or the real world did not exist, then the veil doesn't exist on a purely conceptual level.

[MasqureMan]

That's true, the Chant does say that the Maker created the Fade and then the Real World. But if he created them separate from each other in the first place, doesn't that imply that the Veil always existed?

I think what I've read has said that the Maker created the Veil as a means to separate the two. 

[Red of Rivia]

Thank you. Is that the only reference? There's no mention of it Tevinter tales or elven legends or anything? I'm just wondering how far back in history that would have to have been for there to be little to no mention of it. If the ancient elves of Arlathan were dreamers practicing uthenera in the Fade, the Veil would have to already have existed at that time.

I think so, I think she was referring to the time that the elves ruled.

[phaonica]

I think so, I think she was referring to the time that the elves ruled.

 

I don't know. She said it was a time before the Veil when Dragons ruled the skies, but she didn't mention anything about elves.

[Red of Rivia]

I don't know. She said it was a time before the Veil when Dragons ruled the skies, but she didn't mention anything about elves.

You're right, if we consider the dragons...  this time... I believe there was no race evolved, so there was no magic and therefore the Veil. Or anything of this kind.

[Ranadiel Marius]

I don't know. She said it was a time before the Veil when Dragons ruled the skies, but she didn't mention anything about elves.

People have interpreted one of the stories at the Temple of Mythal to mean that the Dragon was a sacred form to the ancient elves that was limited to the gods and their servants. So elvish gods ruling would be equivalent to dragons ruling (assuming the interpretation of the passage is correct).

[myahele]

It seems like there's a trend of "de-evolution" in Theda's. Dwarves, humans, and especially elves are vastly different from their modern day counterparts. Who's to say that modern dragons didn't evolve to become a shadow of their former selves?

I personally believe that ancient dragons were smarter and more powerful than they are now. And perhaps the legend of Elgarnan defeating the sun could be based of elves defeating the dragons

[Red of Rivia]

It seems like there's a trend of "de-evolution" in Theda's. Dwarves, humans, and especially elves are vastly different from their modern day counterparts. Who's to say that modern dragons didn't evolve to become a shadow of their former selves?

I personally believe that ancient dragons were smarter and more powerful than they are now. And perhaps the legend of Elgarnan defeating the sun could be based of elves defeating the dragons

Like Skyrim, hmmm, the series is called dragon age, we will probably have more indications that, I like this.

[Aren]

Old gods are sub-servant for the creators, each dragon for each Creator.

A soul cannot be forced upon the unwilling but as we can see Urthemiel have decide to follow   Flemeth immediatly in the Fade, Flemeth have not stole anything from Kieran, because i belive that this Dragon of Beauty is "close" to her and to Mythal.

[Reznore57]

Well to keep on with strange codex and stuff :http://dragonage.wik...he_Gangue_Shade

 

The Stone has a will that surrounds and directs; she guides even when we are willfully blind to her influence. But she is not pure. The Stone bears a corruption as old as balance. For the dwarves to prosper, the gangue--the waste and unstable rock-- must be cut away. But like the Stone, the gangue also has an influence. Each of us must face this, must carve the worst of ourselves away, but the Legion of the Dead bears a unique responsibility. Only the fully adorned of the Legion can face the gangue, can cut into darkness that afflicts the raw Stone. She encircles us, and we must protect her, here where darkness meets light.

--A Legion of the Dead inscription, undated

 

So the "Stone" is corrupted?Who knew? (red lyrium?).

[Hellion Rex]

Well to keep on with strange codex and stuff :http://dragonage.wik...he_Gangue_Shade

 

The Stone has a will that surrounds and directs; she guides even when we are willfully blind to her influence. But she is not pure. The Stone bears a corruption as old as balance. For the dwarves to prosper, the gangue--the waste and unstable rock-- must be cut away. But like the Stone, the gangue also has an influence. Each of us must face this, must carve the worst of ourselves away, but the Legion of the Dead bears a unique responsibility. Only the fully adorned of the Legion can face the gangue, can cut into darkness that afflicts the raw Stone. She encircles us, and we must protect her, here where darkness meets light.

--A Legion of the Dead inscription, undated

 

So the "Stone" is corrupted?Who knew? (red lyrium?).

O____________O

 

Ok...yup. That sounds like Blighted lyrium to me.

[Aimi]

Runes tell a primitive creation myth of how the lands of gods and men were cut apart.

Incidentally, did you know that our entire universe is basically the carcass of a gigantic dead crocodile?

Sounds weird to me, too, but hey, there's always some truth in myths, right?

[myahele]

Cole does say: "nobody remembers the dwarves." So could this mean even the ancient elves dont remember how the dwarves were like?

 

Could it be possible that dwarves created the golden city?

[Ranadiel Marius]

O____________O

 

Ok...yup. That sounds like Blighted lyrium to me.

I don't think it can be though. The codex entry for the Primeval Thaig makes it seem like the Shaperate has no record of red lyrium, and if the Legion of Dead has the duty to get rid of the stuff, that seems unlikely that the Shaperate would have no idea as to what it is.  I suppose it is possible that the idol in the codex is made out of a different material than the one Bartrand's expedition found, but then that raises the question of what.

 

(codex reproduced)

Your Majesty,

 

It's difficult getting a straight answer out of the scavenger. These sods get themselves so blighted they can't think straight, much less keep spit in their mouths. He says, however, that he's gone down into parts of the Deep Roads that are so old that our people forgot them long before the Blight even happened.

 

He spoke of great statues and temples--temples! He spoke of things that could have only been made of magic and of impossible ruins untouched by darkspawn. He described creatures the likes of which we've never seen.

 

None of it's possible, of course. I've conferred with the Shaper and he says the Memories date back to the founding of the first thaig--what could have come before that? Yes, we're unable to explore these depths the scavenger spoke of because of the darkspawn, but surely the Memories would speak of such places if they existed.

 

Yet in this scavenger's belongings, amidst all the filth, there was a single idol. It was clearly of dwarven make, but not resembling any Paragon on record. The idol was dressed in a manner I've never seen. The Shaper of Memories also could not identify it or the substance from which it was made. The thought that the Memories might be wrong... unsettling.

 

— Excerpt from a report sealed in the Orzammar royal archives by order of King Annalar Geldinblade in 8:48 Blessed.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I don't think it can be though. The codex entry for the Primeval Thaig makes it seem like the Shaperate has no record of red lyrium, and if the Legion of Dead has the duty to get rid of the stuff, that seems unlikely that the Shaperate would have no idea as to what it is.  I suppose it is possible that the idol in the codex is made out of a different material than the one Bartrand's expedition found, but then that raises the question of what.

 

(codex reproduced)

They may also be referring to darkspawn.  That's what it sounds like to me.

[Sidizen]

I am new to the Dragon Age Universe (but now that I'm playing DA:I I'm going to hit the wiki and find out everything about the lore this week) and I saw this post on IGN: http://www.ign.com/a...n-a-huge-secret

 

One line says, "Mythal speaks the calling."

 

Judging from the first 5 pages of this thread, this is a big deal. 

 

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this.

[Circe21]

*late*

 

I am new to the Dragon Age Universe (but now that I'm playing DA:I I'm going to hit the wiki and find out everything about the lore this week) and I saw this post on IGN: http://www.ign.com/a...n-a-huge-secret

 

One line says, "Mythal speaks the calling."

 

Judging from the first 5 pages of this thread, this is a big deal. 

 

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this.

 

*haven't gone through the entirety of thread so apologies*

 

This is creepy. Can anyone shed more light on what the Calling is, other than it being a song of doom? I'm inclined to believe that the Old Gods were dragons with a piece of the Elven Gods soul in them and that someone manipulated the magisters into entering the Fade. I had an idea that red lyrium is somehow made from the blood of ancient dragons through blood magic or similar since (I think) it seems to predate the Blight? I think the Blight was a mistake since Flemeth/Mythal doesn't like it very much. Also, I think she waited until now because she needed the essence of whichever Elven God that was in Urthemiel in order to open a locked Eluvian.

[Ranadiel Marius]

*late*


*haven't gone through the entirety of thread so apologies*

This is creepy. Can anyone shed more light on what the Calling is, other than it being a song of doom? I'm inclined to believe that the Old Gods were dragons with a piece of the Elven Gods soul in them and that someone manipulated the magisters into entering the Fade. I had an idea that red lyrium is somehow made from the blood of ancient dragons through blood magic or similar since (I think) it seems to predate the Blight? I think the Blight was a mistake since Flemeth/Mythal doesn't like it very much. Also, I think she waited until now because she needed the essence of whichever Elven God that was in Urthemiel in order to open a locked Eluvian.

The Calling is not the corrupted song of the Darkspawn. The Calling is a Greywarden ritual for when they reach the end of their usefulness. As such, I don't really think Mythal speaking the calling makes a lick of sense. Because of the whisper effect, people hear different things as it is difficult to make out all the sounds, so your brain fills some in. The interpretation of the audio that I've seen that makes the most sense is something slong the lines of go to the alter of Mythal, she is calling.

Besides, why would Elvish priests be mentioning a tradition that didn't exist until several centuries after their death? Not to mention Mythal being behind the Old God's song (the cause of the Calling) makes little sense since she is trying to save them from the taint.

[leaguer of one]

I believe the Black City was an ancient elven construct made to contain the Blight.

More like Arlathan and the blight or an one of the elven gods are sealed in it.

[leaguer of one]

The Calling is not the corrupted song of the Darkspawn. The Calling is a Greywarden ritual for when they reach the end of their usefulness. As such, I don't really think Mythal speaking the calling makes a lick of sense. Because of the whisper effect, people hear different things as it is difficult to make out all the sounds, so your brain fills some in. The interpretation of the audio that I've seen that makes the most sense is something slong the lines of go to the alter of Mythal, she is calling.

Besides, why would Elvish priests be mentioning a tradition that didn't exist until several centuries after their death? Not to mention Mythal being behind the Old God's song (the cause of the Calling) makes little sense since she is trying to save them from the taint.

Wrong. The calling is the corrupter song of the Darkspawn. When the warden heres it too, they know it's over.

 

Added, you never think that the calling is like the geas from the well of sarrows?

[Circe21]

The Calling is not the corrupted song of the Darkspawn. The Calling is a Greywarden ritual for when they reach the end of their usefulness. As such, I don't really think Mythal speaking the calling makes a lick of sense. Because of the whisper effect, people hear different things as it is difficult to make out all the sounds, so your brain fills some in. The interpretation of the audio that I've seen that makes the most sense is something slong the lines of go to the alter of Mythal, she is calling.

Besides, why would Elvish priests be mentioning a tradition that didn't exist until several centuries after their death? Not to mention Mythal being behind the Old God's song (the cause of the Calling) makes little sense since she is trying to save them from the taint.

 

Wrong. The calling is the corrupter song of the Darkspawn. When the warden heres it too, they know it's over.

 

Added, you never think that the calling is like the geas from the well of sarrows?

 

Yeah, I know it's the End for Wardens, and that it's similar to the song that darkspawn hear that is "the calling of the Old Gods". Thought there might be something more about it in the books. If not, then oh well. Also, I think it's clear that the whispers say "Mythal speaks-" something. It sounds like "the call(ing)" or "the truth" to me. And yeah, I agree with leaguer of one, don't need to take this out of context. The geas of the well is that you're bound to Mythal. You kinda become her servant and have to answer when she calls for you.

[Caddius]

*late*

 

 

*haven't gone through the entirety of thread so apologies*

 

This is creepy. Can anyone shed more light on what the Calling is, other than it being a song of doom? I'm inclined to believe that the Old Gods were dragons with a piece of the Elven Gods soul in them and that someone manipulated the magisters into entering the Fade. I had an idea that red lyrium is somehow made from the blood of ancient dragons through blood magic or similar since (I think) it seems to predate the Blight? I think the Blight was a mistake since Flemeth/Mythal doesn't like it very much. Also, I think she waited until now because she needed the essence of whichever Elven God that was in Urthemiel in order to open a locked Eluvian.

It's a mixture of what other people have said.

The Old Gods have a song they emit from beneath Thedas. It's referred to as the Old Gods' Calling, the Song, what-have you. All valid names for the same thing. The darkspawn hear this song as something perfect, and are drawn to it. They spend most of their non-Blight time digging for their prisons. But the moment they reach out to touch the Old God's perfect form, it is corrupted, and rises as an Archdemon. It leads the darkspawn in a massive invasion, leading to horrific levels of death for everyone. Irony sucks.

Wardens, having taken the Taint into themselves, also hear the Calling if they get close enough to an Old God, or something similar when close to Corypheus. (I may be wrong on that last point.) At a certain point, it varies depending on whether there's a Blight or not, exposure to darkspawn, natural fortitude, and just plain RNG, the Taint accelerates. They begin to hear the Calling of the Old Gods full blast, and the Taint begins to twist them into specialized ghouls. When they start getting twitchy, they follow the tradition of the Calling and go to the Deep Roads to meet their death slaying darkspawn. If you want to know more about the Calling, in the Old God and the Grey Warden sense, I suggest you read The Calling by David Gaider, which has all the Blight goodness you'll ever want. 

I'm in agreement with you about the elven god essences being in the Old Gods. Flemeth probably uses the Dark Ritual to cleanse her former Pantheon members of the Blight.

There's a theory going on in the Solas thread that lyrium is the blood of the Forgotten Ones, who are also the dwarf gods worshiped during the time of the Primeval Thaig. (The Titans mentioned by Kieran.) And it seems Andruil was exposed to the Blight and brought it back to Thedas, infecting Elvhen. Something contained it, and contained the Primeval Thaig, for a time. But eventually the Vints busted open the Black City and became carriers.

I figure you probably already know most of the Blight stuff, but I figured if anyone else has only ever played Inquisition they might want an info-dump. 

[Circe21]

I'm in agreement with you about the elven god essences being in the Old Gods. Flemeth probably uses the Dark Ritual to cleanse her former Pantheon members of the Blight.

There's a theory going on in the Solas thread that lyrium is the blood of the Forgotten Ones, who are also the dwarf gods worshiped during the time of the Primeval Thaig. (The Titans mentioned by Kieran.) And it seems Andruil was exposed to the Blight and brought it back to Thedas, infecting Elvhen. Something contained it, and contained the Primeval Thaig, for a time. But eventually the Vints busted open the Black City and became carriers.

I figure you probably already know most of the Blight stuff, but I figured if anyone else has only ever played Inquisition they might want an info-dump. 

 

Thanks! But yeah stuff I've already known about the Calling. Unfortunately, where I live stores don't sell Dragon Age merch. And our postal service here is so abysmal I don't dare to order anything online. Haven't seen any digitals on the books either. That theory does seem reasonable. Do we know anything else about the Titans? It could explain why there are only seven archdemons. The Forgotten Ones' souls are trapped in the red lyrium? But where is the Calling Song coming from then? It can't come from the Old Gods (assuming they are not tainted to begin with) so is it coming from lyrium surrounding the Old Gods?