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[Jazzpha]

What I find confusing is that Blood Magic would be attributed to Ethereal beings at all. Regardless of the Old Gods' whispers from the Fade or demonic tampering by the Forbidden Ones Blood Magic essentially stunts progression as a mage by locking you out of the Fade or so Solas says. Why would beings from the Fade or locked in the Fade know or want to teach that type of "physical" magic?

 

Well, if it's the work of the Forbidden Ones, maybe they just did it to troll the Magisters. Imshael, for example, seems perfectly content and delighted in watching ignorant fools play with power and choices they don't understand, only to cause themselves immeasurable suffering later.

[Clockwork_Wings]

 

 

Also, Solas doesn't seem to think of the Creators as gods.

 

 

My theory is that they were gods in the manner of the pharoahs, and Solas would know that.  The names associated with them, Mythal, Falon'din, Sylaise, etc, could have been names for the family or household*, a title for the head of the household*, or the last nobility for the last generation during the end times. 

 

*Hence why the surviving tattoos are slave markings associated with these names.

[Hellion Rex]

What I find confusing is that Blood Magic would be attributed to Ethereal beings at all. Regardless of the Old Gods' whispers from the Fade or demonic tampering by the Forbidden Ones Blood Magic essentially stunts progression as a mage by locking you out of the Fade or so Solas says. Why would beings from the Fade or locked in the Fade know or want to teach that type of "physical" magic?

Well, if it was the Forbidden Ones, like I suspect, they probably worked out a bargain with Thalsian as demons are wont to do. Humans probably had not realized the inherent power of blood at that stage yet, so it gave them a pretty good boost in power. I think the elves knew about blood magic from the get go though.

[Colonelkillabee]

What I find confusing is that Blood Magic would be attributed to Ethereal beings at all. Regardless of the Old Gods' whispers from the Fade or demonic tampering by the Forbidden Ones Blood Magic essentially stunts progression as a mage by locking you out of the Fade or so Solas says. Why would beings from the Fade or locked in the Fade know or want to teach that type of "physical" magic?

What he said about it locking you out of the fade honestly never made sense to me in the first place.

[myahele]

Could it be possible that the Tevinter Old Gods are similar to what Corys dragon was to him?

Basically, dragons with a piece of an elven god's soul +and act like their familiar/hocrux?

[Clockwork_Wings]

Well, if it was the Forbidden Ones, like I suspect, they probably worked out a bargain with Thalsian as demons are wont to do. Humans probably had not realized the inherent power of blood at that stage yet, so it gave them a pretty good boost in power. I think the elves knew about blood magic from the get go though.

Anders makes a comment, if one brings him along to capture the runaway mages loose in Kirkwall, that almost suggests they're drawn to it. 

 

Anders: What is it with elves and blood magic?

[Colonelkillabee]

Well, if it's the work of the Forbidden Ones, maybe they just did it to troll the Magisters. Imshael, for example, seems perfectly content and delighted in watching ignorant fools play with power and choices they don't understand, only to cause themselves immeasurable suffering later.

Or the forbidden ones worked in conjunction with the old gods who wanted access to the taint in the fade, which was only accessible in a physical capacity.

 

So blood magic was their answer to getting in, being caged in the physical world from the fade themselves. Both old gods and the forbidden ones are credited with blood magic. Makes more sense to me that the old gods, stuck in the physical world with sacrifices and so on made it.

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't think there's a codex. But someone said there were mosaics in Mythal's Temple that depicted elves fighting creatures of Darkness. I never found the specific mosaic this user was referring to, during my own adventure in there.

 

Oh, yeah, that was it.

 

You may need to peacefully do the ritual and make the alliance with what's-his-name, which gets you into some back corridors I'm not sure you get to see otherwise.

[Ranadiel Marius]

-Old Gods share knowledge of the ancient elven armory of the weapon of the god, the Golden City. Old God worshippers agree to seek it.

Based on some of Cory's journals in the Calpernia nemesis mission, I strongly doubt that the Old Gods had anything to do with the attempt to enter the Black City. Basically Cory was having a crisis of faith in Dumat because he could hear nothing from Dumat and then he suddenly heard a whisper in the back of his mind telling him to go to the Golden City. I think it is more likely the whisper was from a third party who wanted to spread the blight rather than any of the Gods.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Based on some of Cory's journals in the Calpernia nemesis mission, I strongly doubt that the Old Gods had anything to do with the attempt to enter the Black City. Basically Cory was having a crisis of faith in Dumat because he could hear nothing from Dumat and then he suddenly heard a whisper in the back of his mind telling him to go to the Golden City. I think it is more likely the whisper was from a third party who wanted to spread the blight rather than any of the Gods.

I'd also wondered if, since the fade is what you make of it, he found an empty throne because he didn't really expect anyone there.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well it's a little of both. Otherwise you wouldn't have Dreamers who rose to power. Unless it was the Forbidden Ones speaking to the Tevinter Dreamers on the Old Gods' behalf. Still, I'm a little reluctant to accept the Old Gods as a definitively malevolent force. Otherwise you'd have baby Kieran rampaging across Thedas before Hawke sprung Cory out of the Vinmarks.

Well, Malevolence is a point of view. I wouldn't consider them malevolent if they merely wished to escape, and the blight was the tool of which they could do that. I'd do the same thing in their stead if it was the only way.

[Colonelkillabee]

Based on some of Cory's journals in the Calpernia nemesis mission, I strongly doubt that the Old Gods had anything to do with the attempt to enter the Black City. Basically Cory was having a crisis of faith in Dumat because he could hear nothing from Dumat and then he suddenly heard a whisper in the back of his mind telling him to go to the Golden City. I think it is more likely the whisper was from a third party who wanted to spread the blight rather than any of the Gods.

Could that whisper not have been Dumat finally answering his plea?

[Hellion Rex]

Oh, yeah, that was it.

 

You may need to peacefully do the ritual and make the alliance with what's-his-name, which gets you into some back corridors I'm not sure you get to see otherwise.

Yeah, I did the alliance with Mr. Sorrow, but there were so many of those damn mosaics, it would have been easy for me to miss the one in question.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

 

I was conflating that with Merril's story that Fen'Harel promised a "blade that would end the [god] war" as a means for tricking the gods into separating.

 

You remember when that was in the game? I'd like to see it on youtube, if possible.

[Hellion Rex]

You remember when that was in the game? I'd like to see it on youtube, if possible.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

You know, I had totally forgotten about that scene.

 

And to think, I came to the conclusion of 'god war super weapon' independently. Sweet!

 

Flawed and half-remembered as it is, it does vaguely support my premise in a 'it could be half-true support if I looked at it in a certain way.' It does support the weapon theory, and the Fade separation, even if it omits the elven internal conflict and murder of Mythal.

 

 

It's interesting that in the legend that Solas is referenced directly as being Kin to the elven pantheon (supporting that they were like him), but not as kin to the Forgotten Ones.

 

Now, the next question is if the Forgotten Ones are truly the Old Gods. And if the Forgotton Ones, in that Endless War, are associated with the earth-movers and the Primeveal Blight, rather than the Elven internal conflict theory.

 

Of course, we already know that the legend is wrong in a substantial way, so there's no reason to put too much faith in it. It could easily be combining multiple  conflicts.

[myahele]

After looking at Mythals temple which had golden interior and warriors clad in gold, I am inclined to believe that the Golden City really was golden. Assuming it was an elven construction

[Ranadiel Marius]

Could that whisper not have been Dumat finally answering his plea?

It isn't like were there to listen to Dumat's thoughts, so sure hypothetically it could have been Dumat. But the implication seems to be that some other entity is preying on his crisis of faith. I see no reason why any of the Old Gods would wish to unleash the Blight on themselves, so the Old Gods sending the magisters to the Black City has always been off.

[Colonelkillabee]

It isn't like were there to listen to Dumat's thoughts, so sure hypothetically it could have been Dumat. But the implication seems to be that some other entity is preying on his crisis of faith. I see no reason why any of the Old Gods would wish to unleash the Blight on themselves, so the Old Gods sending the magisters to the Black City has always been off.

Here's why

 

http://forum.bioware...-and-the-maker/

 

TL;DR. they wanted it because it had the power to free them. And it makes them stronger than ever. Corypheus even thinks it'll make him a god, and Morrigan says it very well may. The taint is powerful, the most powerful thing we've seen.

[Clockwork_Wings]

It isn't like were there to listen to Dumat's thoughts, so sure hypothetically it could have been Dumat. But the implication seems to be that some other entity is preying on his crisis of faith. I  see no reason why any of the Old Gods would wish to unleash the Blight on themselves, so the Old Gods sending the magisters to the Black City has always been off.

A pride demon, perhaps?  He was a mage, and pride is his thing.

[Jazzpha]

"Guarding a clan from the Dread Wolf is a Keeper's place."

 

I'm sure your Keeper is sooooooooooooooo proud of you if you're a female Lavellan who romanced Solas.

 

"You had one job."