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[Ranadiel Marius]

A pride demon, perhaps? He was a mage, and pride is his thing.

Personally I am thinking it is Nightmare who was feeding off of his crisis of faith and decided to use him to get fatter.

[Jazzpha]

Certainly puts a new spin on "failed miserably".

 

On multiple levels, to boot.

 

It'll be interesting to see going forward just how much of DA's cosmology gets canonized. I hope these mysteries aren't all reveals that the writers keep in their back pockets to use as plot material for games years on down the road; that would be depressing.

[Colonelkillabee]

"Guarding a clan from the Dread Wolf is a Keeper's place."

 

I'm sure your Keeper is sooooooooooooooo proud of you if you're a female Lavellan who romanced Solas.

 

"You had one job."

 

 

LOL well he is a trickster

[Hellion Rex]

You know, I had totally forgotten about that scene.

And to think, I came to the conclusion of 'god war super weapon' independently. Sweet!

Flawed and half-remembered as it is, it does vaguely support my premise in a 'it could be half-true support if I looked at it in a certain way.' It does support the weapon theory, and the Fade separation, even if it omits the elven internal conflict and murder of Mythal.


It's interesting that in the legend that Solas is referenced directly as being Kin to the elven pantheon (supporting that they were like him), but not as kin to the Forgotten Ones.

Now, the next question is if the Forgotten Ones are truly the Old Gods. And if the Forgotton Ones, in that Endless War, are associated with the earth-movers and the Primeveal Blight, rather than the Elven internal conflict theory.

Of course, we already know that the legend is wrong in a substantial way, so there's no reason to put too much faith in it. It could easily be combining multiple conflicts.

When you speak of "earth-movers", to what are you referring?

[Dean_the_Young]

When you speak of "earth-movers", to what are you referring?

 

Those workers of the Pillars of Earth in the temple translation. The scurying, witless, soulless ones- presumably also the ones in the mural that were fighting the ancient elves, and seem to have fit the role of the ancient enemy that the Arcane Warrior fought.

 

As to what they were, I'm honestly not sure. Primevial dwarves, I presume.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Those workers of the Pillars of Earth in the temple translation. The scurying, witless, soulless ones- presumably also the ones in the mural that were fighting the ancient elves, and seem to have fit the role of the ancient enemy that the Arcane Warrior fought.

 

As to what they were, I'm honestly not sure. Primevial dwarves, I presume.

Proto-darkspawn, maybe? 

[Colonelkillabee]

The Red Templars transformation sheds light on the Profane/Rock Wraith Hawke and co. encounter on the expedition. Perhaps they were mutated dwarves corrupted by ingesting red lyrium. Also "Profane" kind of speaks for itself.

The red lyrium is blighted though. Did the egg come before the chicken, or?

[Hellion Rex]

The Red Templars transformation sheds light on the Profane/Rock Wraith Hawke and co. encounter on the expedition. Perhaps they were mutated dwarves corrupted by ingesting red lyrium. Also "Profane" kind of speaks for itself.

Perhaps the dwarves of the primeval thaig were the remnants of these so called dwarves. Might explain the creation of the idols.

Though that still makes me wonder what or who the "Pillars of the Earth" are.

[Colonelkillabee]

Perhaps the dwarves of the primeval thaig were the remnants of these so called dwarves. Might explain the creation of the idols.

Though that still makes me wonder what or who the "Pillars of the Earth" are.

Sounded simply like the old gods to me. Explains why Solas was so worried. That and he's kin to them as well as the other elven gods.

[Clockwork_Wings]

The red lyrium is blighted though. Did the egg come before the chicken, or?

That's been the debate since the first person to get that far spoke to Dagna.  Some are saying that if red lyrium is blighted, it predates the magisters, maybe even the darkspawn.  I'm not sure of all that, myself, but it does make me wonder: If the blight is older than the darkspawn/magisters, then

 

1.  Then where did it come from?

2.  Where did the darkspawn come from?

3.  Was the whole "seven magisters break into the fade and come back darkspawn" just a coincidence?

[Colonelkillabee]

Pillars of the Earth sound like a distinctly dwarven/darkspawn thing. 

Which the old gods are. In relation to darkspawn, which dwarves are very intimate with.

[Clockwork_Wings]

This is what we've been talking about for 6 pages now. Welcome to the party.

Fashionably late.  Vivienne and Dorian approve.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well it's a little of both. Otherwise you wouldn't have Dreamers who rose to power. Unless it was the Forbidden Ones speaking to the Tevinter Dreamers on the Old Gods' behalf. Still, I'm a little reluctant to accept the Old Gods as a definitively malevolent force. Otherwise you'd have baby Kieran rampaging across Thedas before Hawke sprung Cory out of the Vinmarks.

 

I think there's a difference between a definitely malevolent force and an intrinsically malevolent force.

 

Solas aside (arguably), none of what we've learned of the elven pantheon paints them as particularly benevolent. They were powerful, they were tempermental, and presumably they could also be ambitious. They had an immortal's lifetime to grow selfish and uncarring as gods amongst men are wont to do in fiction.

 

Kieran may have the soul of an Old God, but he doesn't have the history or experiences of one. Nurture, not nature.
 

[RobRam10]

The City! It was suppose to be golden! It was suppose to be ours!

[Colonelkillabee]

Nah. If the Blight predates the siege on the Black City then it's not an "Old God" thing. Maybe Dean's right and the Old Gods wanted it from themselves, but I'm not sold on that either. Specifically because Morrigan and by extent Flemeth devised the Dark Ritual to "free" it from the Taint implying it was an involuntary transformation.

 

Freeing it from the taint still makes sense whether it was willing or not, actually, which is why I'm still convinced the Old Gods wanted it, whatever it is, or whoever it is.

[Dean_the_Young]

Certainly puts a new spin on "failed miserably".

 

'And just how badly did you fail?'

'I got f*****. In my sleep. And it was wonderful.'

[Colonelkillabee]

There's also physical manifestations of red lyrium in the fade, by the way.

[Steelcan]

has it been touched on that Corypheus willingly accepted the Blight?