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[Clockwork_Wings]

What would be funny is if Andraste was a daughter of Flemythal, and she took her body. So if we drank from the well, we'd really be following Andraste's footsteps after all.

 

Either way, I do think that Andraste was involved with something other than the maker, mainly because I think the maker's dead. At best, his will may still effect the motivations of other spirits in ways we'll never know.

I think TVTropes had a theory about the maker being a pride demon.  Something about Andraste going to the top of Sundermount alone, and coming back down upset.  Now go ask Merrill what's up there.

[Colonelkillabee]

If the "maker" is a pride demon, I'd think it was a demon that fed off of the pride of the tevinter and took up the mantle of "Maker" and nothing more.

[Br3admax]

I'd rather believe Andraste is like Kieran, hearing voices from within, than some random pride demon summoned to fight Tevinter. And considering they've said plenty of times now we most likely won't meet the Maker, that doesn't make sense anyway. 

[myahele]

Its been a while, but in DA2 "enigma of Kirkwall" codex it was said that the land surrounding Kirkwall was ancient. That there was something there that predated the barbarians that was "calling" them. They were searching for that.

I wonder if that could be the red lyrium? Its been awhile

[azarhal]

But when you think about it, it does feel like an plot hole. How come no one ever saw red lyrium before the events of DA2? Wouldn't it make sense for the darkspawn to taint all the lyrium they come in contact with while traveling the deep roads?

 

First, we don't know how red lyrium is made. Is it infected? Was it the result of playing with the Taint and lyrium? The result of a magical ritual? Going by what happen in DAI Temple of Sacred Ashes, seems like mixing Taint magic (Cory) + (Veil/Fade/Blood?) magic (foci/ritual) + lyrium (the Temple was sitting on it) result in red lyrium.

 

Second, few people actually go deep in the Deep Roads, even fewer live to tell their experience. It's only relatively safe a few years after a Blight. The last one was like 400 years ago. It's possible that various people saw red lyrium through the ages, they just didn't live to tell the tale or their tales were just not popular enough to be recorded or the records were lost in wars. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Timeline doesn't fit. Flemeth came on the scene four or six (can't remember) ages after Andraste. Could be Mythal, Dumat, or really the Maker. But that's likely not to get answered either.

Just mythal then.

[Dean_the_Young]

First, we don't know how red lyrium is made. Is it infected? Was it the result of playing with the Taint and lyrium? The result of a magical ritual? Going by what happen in DAI Temple of Sacred Ashes, seems like mixing Taint magic (Cory) + (Veil/Fade/Blood?) magic (foci/ritual) + lyrium (the Temple was sitting on it) result in red lyrium.

 

Second, few people actually go deep in the Deep Roads, even fewer live to tell their experience. It's only relatively safe a few years after a Blight. The last one was like 400 years ago. It's possible that various people saw red lyrium through the ages, they just didn't live to tell the tale or their tales were just not popular enough to be recorded or the records were lost in wars. 

 

Thing is, Red Lyrium spreads on its own. Even if we ignore all the surface stores or dwarf miners who have to deal with the constant war with the Darkspawn, deep road red lyrium would/should spread to the surface on its own.

 

Well, technically, there's no presented reason why Red Lyrium won't devour the world, like Tiberium.

[azarhal]

Doesn't it have to cultivated as implied by the Red Templar/Imshael letters? You can't just throw out there like a sack of potatoes or it'll burn out like Meredith. It has to be 'grown'.

 

Varric explain how Red Lyrium is cultivate and harvested in the future part of In Hushed Whisper too (no idea about other companion). It grows in/on living organics, basically...

[Clockwork_Wings]

Varric explain how Red Lyrium is cultivate and harvested in the future part of In Hushed Whisper too (no idea about other companion). It grows in/on living organics, basically...

Which is a reason I think lyrium is an extremophile cave fungus.

[errantknight]

I believe the Black City was an ancient elven construct made to contain the Blight.

I think it's probably Arlathan, sent into the fade for that reason.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I think it's probably Arlathan, sent into the fade for that reason.

That would explain the weird paradox of predating the ones that brought it to Thedas. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Doesn't it have to cultivated as implied by the Red Templar/Imshael letters? You can't just throw out there like a sack of potatoes or it'll burn out like Meredith. It has to be 'grown'.

 

 

Varric explain how Red Lyrium is cultivate and harvested in the future part of In Hushed Whisper too (no idea about other companion). It grows in/on living organics, basically...

 

Including on soil and through hard rock, in many of the cases we find it. The various mining operations show that.

[Jazzpha]

I took Imshael's "tending" as more making sure the new Red Templars didn't go totally bonkers insane and still followed orders, moreso than shaping the Red Lyrium itself.

 

Soldiers are no good if they don't obey you, after all.

[myahele]

Upon close inspection there aren't white figure emerging from a void;instead, these figures are inside what seems to be ram, maybe Halla? Is it pregnant with them?

[Korbin_Armand2]

My spin (belief) of events that are now The Black City is that they are dark due to Elvhen Pantheon god Falon'Din in his second uprising tainted the city and took it over. I believe after his first uprising Solas/Fen'Harel convinced rest of the Pantheon that best way to protect mortal world from such things like Falon'Din again was to be sealed away. This I believe ended up being a mistake and somehow Falon'Din used it, killed Mythal for it was her that lead charge against him first time. This or he did after soiled the Golden City into Black...I also believe that it is Falon'Din that presented himself as 'The Maker' cuz his craving for adulation is great.

That is to me the betrayal the world suffered, while Mythal's was her murder and Flemeth's was her husband. To me this all ties in well with everything I've seen thus far but then they can give us twists we didnt see coming.

[Todrazok]

The dialogue that I am thinking of is one of Cory's journals in the area for Under Her Skin. I suppose I could be remembering the dialogue wrong, but what I remember is that he couldn't hear Dumat and then he heard a whisper to go to the Golden City that he attributed to Dumat.

Wait what? It wasn't necessarily Dumat who told Corypheus to go to the golden city? 

[Korbin_Armand2]

Wait what? It wasn't necessarily Dumat who told Corypheus to go to the golden city? 

and who was Dumat? Maybe went by another name with the Elvhen? We dont know, all we know is his perception of the events.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Wait what? It wasn't necessarily Dumat who told Corypheus to go to the golden city? 

I might of been wrong on my basis for that conclusion as I can't seem to find anything that resembles what I recall hearing Corypheus say, so I am remembering something about it wrong (at bare minimum I'm remembering where I heard it wrong, at worst I imagined the whole thing). However, we have no evidence that Cory what thought was Dumat was actually Dumat. For all we know, the dragons associated with the Old Gods slept through the entirety of the TI unaware it even existed and what the Vints thought were their gods were just demons screwing with them.

[RepHope]

Can anyone post a pic of the Black City? The wikis got pics of one large island and one island with four smaller islands connected to it. I don't recall seeing either of those in DA:I.

[madrar]

...****, a thought just occurred to me. Can anyone find the Gaider quote in which he mentioned that humanity in Thedas was inherently corrupted somehow? A link to the context in which he said it?

(Tenuous Thought: The Primevial Blight, the Corruption that first created the Red Lyrium in the Primevial Thaig, is the inherited corruption that turns elves into Humans, and which turned the power within the Golden City into the corruptive Blight when the Magisters carried it in with them.)

I just stumbled over this thread, so please forgive me if I repeat observations while I catch up.

I'm not sure I'm fully on board with that last idea, but it's worth examining, certainly. The evidence is limited and circumstantial, but it may not be coincidence that humans are the only race that has been demonstrably able to exert direct control over blight magic.

Consider, for a moment, lyrium as the literal living blood of two primordial, pre-elvish Pantheon entities recorded in the Dalish mythology as the sun and earth. Blue lyrium, the blood of the earth. Red lyrium, that of the sun.

If memory serves, in the tale of Alger'nan in which he casts his "father" down, the sun's blood spatters the heavens, ostensibly becoming the stars. Now examine that in the context of the new codex information we have from the temple of Mythal, in which "she shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold."

Sounds like weaponized red lyrium at this point, doesn't it?

Another elegant explanation, or perhaps just a "real world" wink from the writers: Andruil's weapon as a nuclear (hydrogen) bomb. Describing it as a golden shaft filled with the "grains" that make up stars seems leading in the extreme, to begin with. Add in the mutative effects of blight, the fact that Solas refers to blight magic as "unnatural" and "poison", and there's either something there, or it's a pretty elaborate red herring.

[madrar]

What I find confusing is that Blood Magic would be attributed to Ethereal beings at all. Regardless of the Old Gods' whispers from the Fade or demonic tampering by the Forbidden Ones, Blood Magic essentially stunts progression as a mage by locking you out of the Fade or so Solas says. Why would beings from the Fade or locked in the Fade know or want to teach that type of "physical" magic?

Wait, what? Can anyone quote the context here? I don't remember Solas saying anything about blood magic having a particular effect on the Fade (or the user's relationship to it) and that seems pretty damned important.