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[ZawiszaTheBlack]

I would love to get something like Mass Effect 3: Citadel with it's extended romance part. During the romance we have a dialogue option "Let's do something interesting.", but nothing happens if we choose it (our screen is going to be darker and it's all). It should be changed and let us spend more time with our love interests. It's really annoying that we have cut scenes after main quests only. It makes me feel hungry for more.

 

I would love to have and argument with my love interest and then make him/her feel guilty/upset because of reaction of my character, which would be sad or angry. When I bring Dorian to Val Royeaux to get his amulet he told this guy he is not a friend of my Inquisitor Lavellan. He said "sorry" during the next cutscene in Skyhold, but my character was unable to say something like "I care about you, because you are important for me and you said we are not even a friends. It hurts.".

[Cepheren]

I am back! Too many posts to reply to individually, so I'll just offer my overall opinion. People seem to be rooting for something akin to the Citadel DLC which offered extended romance. Scout Harding also seems to be of interest to many. While I support both of these, they aren't really the romance based DLC's I initially had in mind. Doesn't matter though, from what I've gathered "what I had in mind" simply won't be possible.

There is an overarching opinion that sees the players wanting an extension of romance though, so that's something at least. Hopefully BioWare might look into it.

[Vox Draco]

So ... new chars to romance being added into the game? I ... don't see this happening, if I am honest. It doesn't seem to offer much value. What I mean a DLC should somehow give content to as many people as possible to sell well. A DLC that only adds (I am exaggerating here) only adds a tall blonde mage with blue eyes and curvy body doesn't seem to be that interesting. At least not to me, and I guess many others. Also how to implement her into the main story? Just have her stand around in Skyhold at one point? Would she be a companion? Would she in some way contribute to the plot? If yes how, and how not to make it seem tacked on, as the story right now also works totally fine without new chars added.

 

Of course one way could be a "normal" DLC that also introduces a new char for that story, and have her an option for males. Though even this might lead to some of the above problems.

 

Personally I have to say: I wasn't that happy with female romaonce options in DA2 as well. Anders and Fenris I could never see as viable romances for my Femhawke. And Isabella was a walking sex-cliche and joke, and Merrill...well, ultimately I settled with her, though it mostly seems like child-abuse somehow, due to her being so naive and all that. Always made me feel awkward, maybe even more so if I'd play a Malehawke.

 

I just say this because: You cannot expect to always get exactly the kind of romance-options or companions you would like. Maybe the easiest way would be an appearance-mod that turns Cassandra into a supermodel-bimbo or anime-chick ^^ (again, kidding, but I indeed get this impression of beauty-standards sometimes)

[Cepheren]

So ... new chars to romance being added into the game? I ... don't see this happening, if I am honest. It doesn't seem to offer much value. What I mean a DLC should somehow give content to as many people as possible to sell well. A DLC that only adds (I am exaggerating here) only adds a tall blonde mage with blue eyes and curvy body doesn't seem to be that interesting. At least not to me, and I guess many others. Also how to implement her into the main story? Just have her stand around in Skyhold at one point? Would she be a companion? Would she in some way contribute to the plot? If yes how, and how not to make it seem tacked on, as the story right now also works totally fine without new chars added.
 
Of course one way could be a "normal" DLC that also introduces a new char for that story, and have her an option for males. Though even this might lead to some of the above problems.
 
Personally I have to say: I wasn't that happy with female romaonce options in DA2 as well. Anders and Fenris I could never see as viable romances for my Femhawke. And Isabella was a walking sex-cliche and joke, and Merrill...well, ultimately I settled with her, though it mostly seems like child-abuse somehow, due to her being so naive and all that. Always made me feel awkward, maybe even more so if I'd play a Malehawke.
 
I just say this because: You cannot expect to always get exactly the kind of romance-options or companions you would like. Maybe the easiest way would be an appearance-mod that turns Cassandra into a supermodel-bimbo or anime-chick ^^ (again, kidding, but I indeed get this impression of beauty-standards sometimes)

All due respect, but your post seems to emphasise that you haven't paid much attention to my initial post or the discussion that has been taking place in this thread. It was established early on that new characters would not be added, and I made it clear in my thread-starting post that I was not asking for a new character...

[Mushashi7]

Cassandra is ok. She is when romanced a very sweet girl. Just like any other woman with dreams and desires.

And Josephine? She's merry and carring. A bit shy but certainly romantic.

And her looks? To be honest I wouldn't say no to her if I met her for real. What an exotic beauty.

None of the women i Draagon Age Inquisition are ugly. Sera is actually also a very pretty girl. Charming. An I like her nose.
Well...ah...I don't know if I could ever get used to those ears though...*cough*

No, I actually think it is the dialogues, the flirt and the situations that carry weight. The way the romance evolves and how much effort used on it from Bioware's side.

I remember a mod from Skyrim. It was custom made. It is named 'Vilja'.
This mod gave you the option to visit restaurants, give gifts, sleeping in the same bed, living in the same place and even have a wedding were you met her family.
Vilja could get upset or grumpy but also happy and funny. Her AI was constructed to sandbox in any posible way which made her very alive. A game without Vilja became very silent and empty if you uninstalled.
I know the game is a bit different, but the idea was complete.

Bioware has to realise when they move into this large open world area with high developed characters they can't stop half ways.

I don't think romance should step over the invisible line. There shouldn't be any sexscenes able to offend anyone. I say this because I know for many people the game suddenly will be centered around this and less game. But I do know that it is nessecary to use a lot more ressources on romance options.

But is it also politics.

[Spirit Keeper]

I wouldn't mind a romance DLC, I find a lot of them to be very short and not none have much content. Cullen seems to have the most developed romance imo. Out of all the romance options, I would have liked Cullen, gay men have Dorian and Iron Bull who are the same stereotype of non-straight males. A stereotype I mentioned in a thread about concers over LGBT romances over a year ago.

[Chardonney]

I am back! Too many posts to reply to individually, so I'll just offer my overall opinion. People seem to be rooting for something akin to the Citadel DLC which offered extended romance. Scout Harding also seems to be of interest to many. While I support both of these, they aren't really the romance based DLC's I initially had in mind. Doesn't matter though, from what I've gathered "what I had in mind" simply won't be possible.

There is an overarching opinion that sees the players wanting an extension of romance though, so that's something at least. Hopefully BioWare might look into it.

 

I agree. No Citadel style DLC. It would not be suitable for DAI. And since DLC's almost always do have a storyline of somekind, then it could also be about that romance/relationship.

 

What really bugs me sometimes are some of those players who don't want this kind of thing and voice it with more volume than needed, sometimes even not so nicely. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Simple as that. It's not a win/lose situation and won't take anything away from them. 

[ExelArtz]

Agreed, some of the romances are boring 

[ironhorse384]

If the dlc allowed me to romance Leliana, I'd buy it.

[Lancane]

Any add-on would need to be based on more then simple romance. Not that I would mind more options in this category, I find the choices sort of stagnant in Inquisition no matter one's sexuality.

 

Now if it was me, I would have written Leliana as a bisexual option if she was not a romanced in Origins and Lace Harding as a bisexual option. I wouldn't mind seeing a bisexual female Qunari and a Dalish male bisexual option written into the game.

[Biotic_Warlock]

"Needless to say, I don't find her very captivating either. Gay males got Dorian, straight females got Cullen, but straight males and lesbians have little and far between."
I'm a bit confused by what this means.
Little and far between?
If anything I could use some more option in my game. Only two (Dorian and Iron bull) isn't great. I don't find myself interested in romancing a Qunari (they are scary ).

[Cepheren]

"Needless to say, I don't find her very captivating either. Gay males got Dorian, straight females got Cullen, but straight males and lesbians have little and far between."
I'm a bit confused by what this means.
Little and far between?
If anything I could use some more option in my game. Only two (Dorian and Iron bull) isn't great. I don't find myself interested in romancing a Qunari (they are scary ).

What I meant by that was most gay males I've met have been quite happy with Dorian. Of course there are going to be people who aren't so happy, but generally more people have been complaining about the straight male/lesbian options than the gay male/straight female options. That isn't to say I'm not acknowledging those in the latter two categories; I just focused on the opinions I thought had been raised more.

[Cepheren]

Any add-on would need to be based on more then simple romance. Not that I would mind more options in this category, I find the choices sort of stagnant in Inquisition no matter one's sexuality.

Now if it was me, I would have written Leliana as a bisexual option if she was not a romanced in Origins and Lace Harding as a bisexual option. I wouldn't mind seeing a bisexual female Qunari and a Dalish male bisexual option written into the game.

Of course. A DLC based completely off romance would be unlikely, as developers would probably feel the need to expand on other aspects of the relationship; perhaps the character's history or personal details. As Natashina said earlier in this thread, immense amounts of animation and effort would have to go into creating a romance from scratch that is satisfactory when compared to the rest of the game.

What I think would work if a DLC like this were to be introduced would be to convey the backstory of a character through the new romance. So as you romance the character, they gradually reveal more about themselves as you grow closer in friendship and romance. Two birds with one stone is what I'm trying to go for here

That being said, I'll say this one more time; BioWare has stated that they won't be adding any more characters to the game, through DLC, patches or any other method. Sorry to say, but you won't be seeing your bi Qunari and Danish options :/

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

I feel aspects like romance in Bioware games are an interesting way for the player to ground/define their character in the universe (and lore in some cases). Things such as who you romance as well as how you go about the romance allows you to shape your character, no matter how frivolous some may consider it; I'm all for DLC that'd just expand on the existing romances. 

[Cepheren]

I feel aspects like romance in Bioware games are an interesting way for the player to ground/define their character in the universe (and lore in some cases). Things such as who you romance as well as how you go about the romance allows you to shape your character, no matter how frivolous some may consider it; I'm all for DLC that'd just expand on the existing romances.

  

I'd buy it. Characters are always the best part of the games. Hell, I bought Golems of Amgarrak. This would be more exciting than that.

Great to have some people in here of a similar mindset. Streetmagic, a DLC like this would hopefully offer further immersion in the characters. Lavellan, couldn't have put it better myself.

[Cepheren]

I agree. No Citadel style DLC. It would not be suitable for DAI. And since DLC's almost always do have a storyline of somekind, then it could also be about that romance/relationship.
 
What really bugs me sometimes are some of those players who don't want this kind of thing and voice it with more volume than needed, sometimes even not so nicely. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Simple as that. It's not a win/lose situation and won't take anything away from them.

 

Exactly. Storyline and romance DLC's aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. And for those who complain about the possibility of something like this being introduced, it isn't a win/lose situation, well said.

Agreed, some of the romances are boring

  

If the dlc allowed me to romance Leliana, I'd buy it.

Agreed with both.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

First off, I want to say this isn't a personal attack on Cepheren and more me using this as an opportunity to vent about the countless "complaints" about Cassandra and Josephine.

 

You know, I really wish these Straight Male Gamers would at least attempt to come up with thoughtful reasons for not enjoying a love interest. Things like incompatible personalities, disappointing character development, or unsatisfying relationship dynamics. You know, things you discover from actually getting to know the character and experiencing what they have to offer, rather than things based off a cursory glance. I've always been hypercritical of the male same-sex love interests that Dragon Age and Mass Effect have offered (out of everyone I've only found Kaidan and Dorian to actually be satisfying and worthwhile), yet I've never used some variation of "he's not hot enough" as my justification for my dissatisfaction.

 

They write characters who happen to be love interests, not love interests that happen to be characters. Straight Male Gamers looking for idealized bimbo waifus are playing the wrong game.

[Cepheren]

First off, I want to say this isn't a personal attack on Cepheren and more me using this as an opportunity to vent about the countless "complaints about Cassandra and Josephine.

You know, I really wish these Straight Male Gamers would at least attempt to come up with thoughtful reasons for not enjoying a love interest. Things like incompatible personalities, disappointing character development, or unsatisfying relationship dynamics. You know, things you discover from actually getting to know the character and experiencing what they have to offer, rather than things based off a cursory glance. I've always been hypercritical of the male same-sex love interests that Dragon Age and Mass Effect have offered (out of everyone I've only found Kaidan and Dorian to actually be satisfying and worthwhile), yet I've never used some variation of "he's not hot enough" as my justification for my dissatisfaction.

They write characters who happen to be love interests, not love interests that happen to be characters. Straight Male Gamers looking for idealized bimbo waifus are playing the wrong game.

I apologise if you thought my reasoning for this suggestion was because I wanted an "idealised bimbo waifu", because that was not my intention at all. I'm not sure where you would have gotten such an implication. I said that I, along with many other hetero males, like a feminine woman. Is that restrictive to appearance alone? My reasoning for making this suggestion is that none of the current romance options are particularly intriguing to me. Of course, looks do play a part (at the end of my initial post, I made a jest about how we should be able to romance stunning characters), but that is not nearly as important as immersion. I'm just dissatisfied with the current options, as are many other "straight male gamers". At no point have I implored BioWare to create a stunningly sexy character, focused entirely on the romance aspect of the game.

Believe me, I hate such over generalisations about the shallowness of straight males just as much as you hate the shallowness itself. while I don't deny there are a lot of guys out there who would go off looks alone in matters related to this, believe it or not, we're not all the same.

Edit: I appreciate your edit, and want to say no great offence was taken from your post. I get just as mad as you when idiots come and say "but Cass looks like a man" and strut away like they've given indisputable reason for their dissatisfaction. But what I'm trying to do here with this thread is establish a sort of middle-ground, because despite some people's stupid reasons for wanting a romance DLC, they still want it as much as the rest of us. Thus, I, who also want a romance DLC (albeit hopefully for more convincing reasons) wanted to establish a number of genuine reasons and benefits to creating a DLC like this.

[hafiznero]

i hate cassandra, she give me headache every time she appear and speak. i dont mind short hair women.. but her attitude (face maybe not that bad but attitude)....looks like male...gg

[Chardonney]

I feel aspects like romance in Bioware games are an interesting way for the player to ground/define their character in the universe (and lore in some cases). Things such as who you romance as well as how you go about the romance allows you to shape your character, no matter how frivolous some may consider it; I'm all for DLC that'd just expand on the existing romances. 

 

I agree fully. I've played games that do not have any romance but the ones that do have it, are much more satisfying and interesting to play. If there wouldn't have been any romance in the DA games, I'm not sure I would have bought them. These days, the possibility of a romance is the first thing I check when a new game arrives and if it doesn't have any, I most likely won't buy it. Also - and this is just my personal opinion, since there is no official BW poll to tip the scales either way  - I think BW may underestimate the need for romance DLC. I'm pretty sure it would be a one hot item if made. I would love to have more romance options for my inquisitor and Dorian (I could just kiss the person who created him ). 

[Maverick827]

First off, I want to say this isn't a personal attack on Cepheren and more me using this as an opportunity to vent about the countless "complaints" about Cassandra and Josephine.

 

You know, I really wish these Straight Male Gamers would at least attempt to come up with thoughtful reasons for not enjoying a love interest. Things like incompatible personalities, disappointing character development, or unsatisfying relationship dynamics. You know, things you discover from actually getting to know the character and experiencing what they have to offer, rather than things based off a cursory glance. I've always been hypercritical of the male same-sex love interests that Dragon Age and Mass Effect have offered (out of everyone I've only found Kaidan and Dorian to actually be satisfying and worthwhile), yet I've never used some variation of "he's not hot enough" as my justification for my dissatisfaction.

 

They write characters who happen to be love interests, not love interests that happen to be characters. Straight Male Gamers looking for idealized bimbo waifus are playing the wrong game.

 

Sometimes you're just not physically attracted to someone.  There's nothing wrong with this.  This doesn't mean you have to "widen your horizons" or are "narrow-minded" (to use phrases from earlier in the thread).

 

Also, can we please stop using "straight male" as a psuedo-pejorative?  A post with "you know, I really wish these gays something something negative and judgmental" or "you know, I really wish these women something something stereotype" would be met with a lot of hostility, or just be outright removed by moderators (and rightly so).

 

Attack the argument, not the person.

[rda]

I think people are so upset at certain straight males because a lot of them can't express their disappointment in an adult way. Don't like your options? Fine.

But you can express that with an appropriate level of disappointment, explain your reasoning, and do it in an adult manner. Not "Cassandra looks like a man and Josephine isn't hot enough!! WAAA!"

It just sounds childish and entitled, especially when your audience is lesbians, gays, and straight women, who, until recently, have been ignored/treated as an afterthought. Lesbians would have wept in gratitude if they could have been given options as awesome as Cassandra and Josephine a few years ago.

(Note: this isn't intended to be directed at any one person in particular, just a general comment.)