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[Shechinah]

I think neither Morrigan nor Leliana has an interest in romance at this point in their life.

 

Leliana has become incredible guarded and is focused on her role as the Inquisition's spymaster and maybe even being the Divine Victoria. She puts her work before anything else and seems to only connect with pre-existing relationships such as her friendship with Josephine. She can even say the Warden is the only person she trust completely.

 

Morrigan had some very strong views on romance and love which she re-considers during a developing relationship with the Warden but the Wardn is arguably allowed to get close to her not only because they work together and live together (in the camp) over a longer period of time but also because they are there during a very crucial period of her life. The Mirror and Grimoire are something that the Warden provided that the Inquisitor cannot which helped Morrigan see the genuinity of their interest (even platonic) and trust respectively. They remembered the mirror from their conversations and gifted her a similar mirror and they fought against Flemeth to protect her trusting her then with the Grimoire. Additionally, the Warden knew about Flemeth and her upbringing.

 

Morrigan may have started out seeing the Warden as a means to an end but potentially grew to care about them as more than that because of amongst others, these things. In Inquisition, she likely ses the Inquisitor as a means to an end, however, unlike the Warden she remains distant from them as an arcane advisor despite occasionally chatting with them. In addition, she's spent a long while in the Orlesian court meaning she guards herself carefully to obscure weakness. If I remember correctly, she does not share about her background nor her adventues and if she has Kieran, she has likely less of an interest in dabbling in romance.

 

May edit this up later for better wording and such but these is my thoughts on the matter.      

[Monster20862]

A romance with alien animal demon corpses.

[Zikade]

Ehh, I have no interest for romance DLC and don't think it should take priority over other things. If they added romance content, I would rather have them expand the already existing options than create new ones "for the sake of it". Definitely wouldn't oppose a story-based DLC featuring some added interaction with your LI and I also wouldn't mind if all that flirting with Scout Harding would be allowed to go further. 

 

I myself have no problems with the current options and am pleased with the variety and realism Bioware offers. I'm also happy to roll different genders, races and sexualities for my characters. I don't have to share their traits and preferences in order to enjoy them and their relationships. I guess my stance for romances comes more from the story elements and engaging character interaction, not from how attractive I personally find them. Thus I'm not fond of any.... "shoehorned in" romances.

[The Oracle]

I kind of like that they are making characters that aren't the typical "sexbomb" type which has saturated pretty much every mmo/rpg since they were invented. Freakishly proportioned supermodel women fighting in nothing but a scrap of leather and a few chains holding it together. Horrifyingly steroid pumped, muscle-bound men carrying their bodyweight in one jagged, metal shoulder guard. This was kinda the way in Origins, where all the LI's catered to an FHM/Vogue idealism. ~I mean, Morrigan lived in a hut, in the wilds, all her life yet she had perfectly applied make-up/quaffed hair/stylishly revealing clothes. Alastair, for the most part, was raised in a barn and then went on to train and fight for years but he looks like he's just stumbled, fresh faced, into the world.

 

Humans look...well, human in Inquisition. They look as real and varied as they are in real life. It feels like Bioware wrote the characters personalities and then the artists crafted their looks to fit. 

 

I'd rather they spent their time developing DLC that focuses of character building and story, rather than trying to fit more stereotypically beautiful characters into the game just so we can have a bit of wish fulfilment when it comes to choosing an LI. 

[Vanth]

I made a post in a thread which has now been locked but I think it is relevant to this discussion too, so it is worth repeating:

 

I agree with the OP that the LI options for straight male players are definitely unconventional, and probably not to the taste of most male gamers. However, I think Cassandra and Josephine are rather good choices for companions as they are. Life isn't perfect and one can't expect to be surrounded by beautiful people all the time. I think it is good that developers are starting to include more characters who are not conventionally pretty in their games. For too long there has been a perception that to be heroic or just competent one has to also be good-looking and I believe that sets us up badly for real life, conditioning us to judge people on their appearance rather than their actions and personality. So I would encourage the people to not mod them into supermodels - leave them as they are and learn to appreciate them in other ways.

[Shechinah]

I cannot find the post I wanted to respond to so I am just putting it as here:

 

There is nothing wrong with the request that a future companion may be of a more conventional beauty like Morrigan or Leliana.

 

What has soured people towards the topic and understandably so is that many of the previous threads with similar suggestions was putting down Josephine and especially Cassandra for not being conventional beauties and that because of they were not, they were mannish or ugly. It wasn't helped that threads were spammed with trollish delight to intentionally provoke.

[AlexiaRevan]

Some of us find cass and Josephine Gorgeous looking just as Leliana and Morrigan . 

[craigdolphin]

Personally I don't want a new-romance DLC. I want DLC that meaningfully expands on the existing romance arcs as part of the overall story. I'd like more cut scenes and conversations related to both the romances, and non-romance interactions with party members.

 

As for folks being snarky about men needing to 'expand their horizons' when it comes to what they find attractive, I say get off your high horse. Attraction is both individual and subjective, and is somewhat a function of biology and culture. Not everyone thinks Cassandra is attractive. Or Josie. Or Blackwall. Or Cullen. Or Dorian (ok, I'm just kidding about Dorian!). And vice versa.

 

Personally I think Cassandra is a great romance and I admire her character a lot. Josie is nice enough but....too dull for a fun romance IMO.

 

For some guys, the romance options in DAI aren't what they were hoping for in the game and they're expressing their desire for a more conventionally beautiful option. I can understand that desire and they should be allowed to express it IMO. That said, I think that the gob-smackingly awful hairstyles in the game contribute a lot to this perception.

 

I'm inclined to want a more conventionally attractive option too. But quite honestly, I care more about the character and the story of the romance as long as their appearance is at least somewhat ok. The only romance option that I have truly disliked due to appearance was Merril in DA2. For me, she looked far too young and I could never shake the idea that 'romancing' someone that young was bordering on being very creepy. Yes, I know that she was older than she appeared but that doesn't change how it felt for me. The ick factor was strong with that romance due solely to her apparent age and I couldn't get past that.

 

Overall though, I'm inclined to think straight guys had one good option and one somewhat dull option this time around. (In defense of Josie, I do not think having your romance option being stuck back at Skyhold helped with forming as much of a connection with the advisors as they could never participate in banter. I would curious whether the Cullen romance suffered similarly or not)

 

I think we did as well as straight female players even if they could have had more to choose from. At least both of our options could lead to a positive ending at the end of the game. Players who romanced Blackwall or Solas? Ouch. I like the fairytale of a happy ending (no, not that kind of happy ending) so I would have felt burned by those romances were I in their shoes.

 

I will be most appalled (and I hope eventually amused) if Bioware decide to give straight males a stunningly beautiful option next time, only to give her the personality of a high-strung, high-maintenance, avaricious, stone cold b*tch who ends up cheating on you or something.  It would be...interesting at least. (to be clear, I actually hope they don't do this as I want to enjoy the romance and I would NOT enjoy such a character or such a storyline).

[Panda]

Personally I don't want a new-romance DLC. I want DLC that meaningfully expands on the existing romance arcs as part of the overall story. I'd like more cut scenes and conversations related to both the romances, and non-romance interactions with party members.

 

As for folks being snarky about men needing to 'expand their horizons' when it comes to what they find attractive, I say get off your high horse. Attraction is both individual and subjective, and is somewhat a function of biology and culture. Not everyone thinks Cassandra is attractive. Or Josie. Or Blackwall. Or Cullen. Or Dorian (ok, I'm just kidding about Dorian!). And vice versa.

 

Personally I think Cassandra is a great romance and I admire her character a lot. Josie is nice enough but....too dull for a fun romance IMO.

 

For some guys, the romance options in DAI aren't what they were hoping for in the game and they're expressing their desire for a more conventionally beautiful option. I can understand that desire and they should be allowed to express it IMO. That said, I think that the gob-smackingly awful hairstyles in the game contribute a lot to this perception.

 

I'm inclined to want a more conventionally attractive option too. But quite honestly, I care more about the character and the story of the romance as long as their appearance is at least somewhat ok. The only romance option that I have truly disliked due to appearance was Merril in DA2. For me, she looked far too young and I could never shake the idea that 'romancing' someone that young was bordering on being very creepy. Yes, I know that she was older than she appeared but that doesn't change how it felt for me. The ick factor was strong with that romance due solely to her apparent age and I couldn't get past that.

 

Overall though, I'm inclined to think straight guys had one good option and one somewhat dull option this time around. (In defense of Josie, I do not think having your romance option being stuck back at Skyhold helped with forming as much of a connection with the advisors as they could never participate in banter. I would curious whether the Cullen romance suffered similarly or not)

 

I think we did as well as straight female players even if they could have had more to choose from. At least both of our options could lead to a positive ending at the end of the game. Players who romanced Blackwall or Solas? Ouch. I like the fairytale of a happy ending (no, not that kind of happy ending) so I would have felt burned by those romances were I in their shoes.

 

I will be most appalled (and I hope eventually amused) if Bioware decide to give straight males a stunningly beautiful option next time, only to give her the personality of a high-strung, high-maintenance, avaricious, stone cold b*tch who ends up cheating on you or something.  It would be...interesting at least. (to be clear, I actually hope they don't do this as I want to enjoy the romance and I would NOT enjoy such a character or such a storyline).

 

I think I will stay on my high horse, thanks

 

Of cource I know everyone doesn't feel same things attractive and people have different tastes. Problem is pretty much that some of these straight male gamers claim Cassandra and Josephine are universally ugly and no straight male will find them attractive. Often there is complains how manly both of them are, how Bioware has feminist or gay agenda on making them, how women shouldn't have some attributes like wide jaws, short hair, moles, scars..

 

I don't have problem if someone didn't get what they wanted this time and asks for someone they are attracted to, as long as they don't start blaming Bioware having some agenda against them by doing Josie and Cass or start with sexist remarks how female characters should or should not be, and how these two great female characters are manly or ugly. You can really say things without having backhanded insults, sexist remarks or claiming you are being oppressed by not having sexy female character in the game etc.

[BabyPuncher]

I don't have problem if someone didn't get what they wanted this time and asks for someone they are attracted to, as long as they don't start blaming Bioware having some agenda against them by doing Josie and Cass or start with sexist remarks how female characters should or should not be, and how these two great female characters are manly or ugly. You can really say things without having backhanded insults, sexist remarks or claiming you are being oppressed by not having sexy female character in the game etc.

 

I don't find either Cassandra or Josephine ugly.

 

But if they were, yes, I would be pretty upset. And yes, I would absolutely be convinced BioWare is attempting to push an idea I don't like.

 

 

[Cell1e]

I have no idea if this is possible (someone call me out on it if it isn't, I'll share a laugh in how much time I wasted writing up this post), but I'd love a DLC that opened up more romance options.

For me, romance in a game is always a big part of the immersion. However, the current romance options have left me very much in the wanting. I'm sure I'm with the majority of hetero males when I say I like a feminine woman. Now, don't go bashing me saying that you love Cassandra. To each their own, I acknowledge that, but I just don't find her attractive, and I definitely know I'm not the only one who doesn't. Josephine is feminine, sure, but her design is... interesting, to say the least. Needless to say, I don't find her very captivating either. Gay males got Dorian, straight females got Cullen, but straight males and lesbians have little and far between. Of course there are people who do like the options given, but I wouldn't bother with this thread if I hadn't seen quite a few people of similar opinion to me. I am speaking as much for them as I am for myself.

I would love to be able to romance Leliana or Morrigan (Morrigan plz lol). But I get that they were romance options in DA:O, so I can see why BioWare would prefer to keep away any "baggage" that romancing them would bring. Thing is, I only started playing Dragon Age when Inquisition was released and was announced Game of the Year. So there is no baggage for me, and I'm also not alone in that one either. Hence, making a DLC for these romance options, so that it isn't forced on veterans of the series who wouldn't want to have that confusion of romancing a love interest from a previous game.

I understand that realism is of deadly importance in games like this and the characters were designed with this focus, but come on; in a fantasy RPG, you should be able to at least have the OPTION to romance some ridiculously good-looking characters (in fact, I'd pay good money to have that option). It IS fantasy, isn't it?

 

Well I am all for this idea.

 

I love that Boiware makes great games that also include romance options that are so well written. One of the few developers that try to cater to everyones romance preferences. In my mind people who dont like romances much dont have to buy it and for those of us who do, we can buy it and enjoy it to our hearts content.

 

Plus I love threads where I see others showing as much interest and enjoyment of romance in games as I do. I'll keep my fingers crossed for us all for more romance.

[The Oracle]

I don't find either Cassandra or Josephine ugly.

 

But if they were, yes, I would be pretty upset. And yes, I would absolutely be convinced BioWare is attempting to push an idea I don't like.

 

Ah...and? I wasn't aware that they were required to only include idea's you do like. While it makes sense for Bioware to take in the views and opinions of their fan base and to consider this when creating their games, they are under no obligation whatsoever, to include or pander to any ideas or ideals that one group or another wish to insist on. If they wanted to, they would be well within their rights to completely take out all straight romances in the next game, or all gay romances...or just romances in general. This would go against Bioware's known style and they would likely lose parts of their fan base, but they are free to do as they see fit.

 

If anyone dislikes this, they can not purchase the game. From what I can gather, Inquisition has not suffered due to the lack of "hotties" in it. I can't be certain though cause that'd be an near impossible thing to try and get concrete figures for.

[stop_him]

I'd rather stay narrow minded, i'm not gay so i like to play straight romances.

 

Do gay people role play straight romances? if not are they narrow minded too?

Well......I'm straight, but I do the gaymances and lesmances. My second inquisitor romanced Sera, even though I wanted to nail Sera to the cross after that playthrough bc I found her character so distasteful after that playthrough, but I don't see how my sexuality should limit my roleplaying experiences.

[stop_him]

I will be most appalled (and I hope eventually amused) if Bioware decide to give straight males a stunningly beautiful option next time, only to give her the personality of a high-strung, high-maintenance, avaricious, stone cold b*tch who ends up cheating on you or something.  It would be...interesting at least. (to be clear, I actually hope they don't do this as I want to enjoy the romance and I would NOT enjoy such a character or such a storyline).

You mean Morrigan 2.0 (aside from the latter part of the description)? But yeah, that would be pretty funny. We've had enough BS from Alistair, Anders, and Blackwall. Spread the BS to a romanceable female NPC.

[BabyPuncher]

Ah...and? I wasn't aware that they were required to only include idea's you do like. While it makes sense for Bioware to take in the views and opinions of their fan base and to consider this when creating their games, they are under no obligation whatsoever, to include or pander to any ideas or ideals that one group or another wish to insist on. If they wanted to, they would be well within their rights to completely take out all straight romances in the next game, or all gay romances...or just romances in general. This would go against Bioware's known style and they would likely lose parts of their fan base, but they are free to do as they see fit.

 

If anyone dislikes this, they can not purchase the game. From what I can gather, Inquisition has not suffered due to the lack of "hotties" in it. I can't be certain though cause that'd be an near impossible thing to try and get concrete figures for.

 

That's true about pretty much any complaint. We might as well shut this forum down if complaints are rendered irrelevant with 'You don't have to purchase the game if you don't like it."
 

Inquisition may not have suffered, but if the characters were genuinely and seriously ugly, there's little doubt it would have.

[Zobert]

I agree with the above - go and play DAO if you want Morrigan and Leliana romanced (seriously worth it!). 

 

Well, very true considering what a HUGE PSYCHO they made Leliana this game.  I'd be afraid to date her at this point.

[Gileadan]

Well, very true considering what a HUGE PSYCHO they made Leliana this game.  I'd be afraid to date her at this point.

She watches you sleep.

 

Romanced or not.

[Zobert]

I think I will stay on my high horse, thanks

 

Of cource I know everyone doesn't feel same things attractive and people have different tastes. Problem is pretty much that some of these straight male gamers claim Cassandra and Josephine are universally ugly and no straight male will find them attractive. Often there is complains how manly both of them are, how Bioware has feminist or gay agenda on making them, how women shouldn't have some attributes like wide jaws, short hair, moles, scars..

 

I don't have problem if someone didn't get what they wanted this time and asks for someone they are attracted to, as long as they don't start blaming Bioware having some agenda against them by doing Josie and Cass or start with sexist remarks how female characters should or should not be, and how these two great female characters are manly or ugly. You can really say things without having backhanded insults, sexist remarks or claiming you are being oppressed by not having sexy female character in the game etc.

 

I have heard people complain about them but I have yet to see anyone say that they are "universally ugly".  Those words have never cropped up in a post that I have witnessed.  I have heard them say Cassandra is mannish or they want someone with hair (so would I), and I personally said that I felt Josephine looked like one of the rats from the muppets with those chompers:

 

 

 

 

But I also recognize that some people like that look.

 

I will say that while I don't think the Bioware developers sit around in a room plotting against straight male gamers (though that would be kinda funny), I don't think they put their desires/feelings at the top of the list.  They've sort of hinted at that and now after reading A Schumachers, "IT's true everyone in DA2 was bi" when they basically told straight guys who said that back in the day they were nuts, I have to be a little skeptical about their commitment to that target market.

 

If you ask me, I think the only two characters in the entire game that are conventionally attractive are Cullen and Dorian, so they spread the unconventional around to everybody not just straight guys.

 

I say this also as someone who finds Cassandra attractive and am trying to woo her as a male Inquisitor.  She's handsome but she's not conventionally attractive.  Whether that bothers people is up to them.

[VickVeel]

I understand why morrigan and leliana can't be romanced at this point.  I still think we need another female romance for malequisitors that looks a bit more mainstream to put it and caters to a wider audience.  Good ole fashion beautifuil looking woman would be nice.  Cassandra has a great personality, but it still feels like, well, I'm not going to say it, just her face doesn't agree with my biological make up.

[Captain Wiseass]

I really need a gif of Varric pointing Bianca at his own head, his expression one of blissful anticipation of death's sweet release.

[Panda]

I don't find either Cassandra or Josephine ugly.

 

But if they were, yes, I would be pretty upset. And yes, I would absolutely be convinced BioWare is attempting to push an idea I don't like.

 

Why? I don't find any LI for female Inquisitor that attractive looks-wise, but I haven't thought that Bioware is against me. I think their and mine likings just doesn't match this game and lot of people are happy how their LI's looks so it's on me.

[Zobert]

Why? I don't find any LI for female Inquisitor that attractive looks-wise, but I haven't thought that Bioware is against me. I think their and mine likings just doesn't match this game and lot of people are happy how their LI's looks so it's on me.

 

I think Bioware wanted to bring "realness" to the game in some respects instead of the fantasy which is dumb in a game with dragons and magic, but whatevs.

 

Lots of people are happy, so..I'm happy for them.

[Panda]

I think Bioware wanted to bring "realness" to the game in some respects instead of the fantasy which is dumb in a game with dragons and magic, but whatevs.

 

Lots of people are happy, so..I'm happy for them.

 

Supermodels wouldn't be that fantasy effect. If Bioware wanted to go fantasy they should do only elf, dwarf or qunari LI's and give them very unconventional looks.

[DragonLykos13]

I think is necesary a new romance option, and Harding is the best candidate.

[Ariella]

I agree. No Citadel style DLC. It would not be suitable for DAI. And since DLC's almost always do have a storyline of somekind, then it could also be about that romance/relationship.

Actually a Citadel style DLC would work rather well if say, centered around Skyhold and it's history. Imho