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[fcedric]

Hello, 

Again, like in ME3, Bioware gone too fast at the end of the game (the ending) ... we need more details, an explanation... more dialogs between Mythal and Solas...

Why Solas (Fen'harel) kill Flemeth (Mythal) ? 

Or did he send her in her paradise with the other Elven gods because Mythal/Flemeth are too full of bitterness against mortals (peoples of Thedas) ? Or did he kill Flemeth to protect his friend the inquisitor from Flemeth ? ...

Don't tease us Bioware please, you will take 3 years to develop us Dragon Age 4, so give us decent Explanation (like with the small child at the end of ME3), give us an extended ending...

 

In Mythal temple, Abelas tell us Mythal was assassinated, but she is here, with us ????... And the Elven culture learn us the old gods were locked in their paradise long time ago, so this is non-sense...

 

Ps : was this a god kiss, a god hug ? 

[Norwood06]

re: mythal & fen.  It's up to interpretation...it's been left vague intentionally.  Hopefully we'll get answers in DLC or a sequel and not have the forums debating this for years.

 

I prefer to think Mythal finally dumped her old bones and jumped into Solas as punishment, but that's just me rooting for Flemeth.

 

re: Mythal being alive, I think Flemeth said a wisp of Mythal came to her, back when she was just human, and possessed her at her request, so they could both take vengence.  If I remember right from codex, wisps can be fragments of dead spirits. 

 

not sure what you're asking re: Old Gods

[Ogillardetta]

It was two ancient gods having their version of sex. Solas invented knife sex and then every old elven god vanished mysteriously.







On a more serious note, I think solas tricked flemeth with his whole "Im so sorry" thing then stole part of her soul and/or the old gods soul if you made that option. All in order to gain power so he can help his people.

[fcedric]

Whisp ? what is this ? like the thing Flemeth asked to Hawke to bring to Dalish archivist of Merril clan ? 

Do you mean a sort of phylacteries ? like the one we found in DAO, in Brecilianne in the Temple (with the spirit inside which learned us "Arcane warrior" specialization) ? 

 

In fact, Bioware done the same with Mass Effect 3, they were hurry to put it on the market, and the ending was incomprehensible (need more details, and explanations about what happened and the "why" of the situation..

So we (us the ME3 players) moaned about the too short untying and they published a DLC, with an extended ending

http://masseffect.wi...Extended_Cut...

 

So i created this topic to ask Bioware (mainly the story writer) to explain us what happened in the ending with Fen'harel and Mythal ... Give us more details ... 

 

The game is great, i love it (320hours to finish it), but the last scene is incomprehensible 

 

By old Gods, i mean Elven gods, they were two sort : the good gods, and the forgortten ones (evil, or bad to the elvens, to the people), and they were at war... Fen'harel was friend with the all of them; and can walk among them without fear, all of them trusted the great wolf...

In the Elven codex, we can read Fen'harel lie to the gods and the forgotten ones to stop their war and return in their respective paradise...

All of them trusted Fen'harel, so they stopped their war, and Fen'harel locked the Elven gods and the forgotten ones in their paradises... Since that time, the elvens can't contact their gods... 

About Mythal, Abela said she was murdered, but nowhere in the codex we can read Mythal was murdered...

 

But May be the Great Wolf neutralized the Elven gods because they were like the Tevintide gods, they used mortal Peoples in their war...

[Norwood06]

Whisp ? what is this ? like the thing Flemeth asked to Hawke to bring to Dalish archivist of Merril clan ? 

Do you mean a sort of phylacteries ? like the one we found in DAO, in Brecilianne in the Temple (with the spirit inside which learned us "Arcane warrior" specialization) ? 

 

In fact, Bioware done the same with Mass Effect 3, they were hurry to put it on the market, and the ending was incomprehensible (need more details, and explanations about what happened and the "why" of the situation..

So we (us the ME3 players) moaned about the too short untying and they published a DLC, with an extended ending

http://masseffect.wi...Extended_Cut...

 

So i created this topic to ask Bioware (mainly the story writer) to explain us what happened in the ending with Fen'harel and Mythal ... Give us more details ... 

 

The game is great, i love it (320hours to finish it), but the last scene is incomprehensible 

 

this may help:  "A wisp is a demon that has lost its power; either it has existed in our world for too long without finding a true host or it has been destroyed—often, so we've found, by other demons."  taken from codex:  http://dragonage.wik...dex_entry:_Wisp

 

I wouldn't clump the ME3 ending and this ending together.  ME3 was the end of shepard's story, it had to resolve all questions.  And it didn't do that so well.  DAI's ending is setting up the next villain, and inching closer to this 'change' flemeth has been talking about since DA2.

[dsl08002]

I thought that it looked like flemeth transferred her soul intoSolas thereby possessing him. The same kind of fate she intended for morrigan.

[fcedric]

On a more serious note, I think solas tricked flemeth with his whole "Im so sorry" thing then stole part of her soul and/or the old gods soul if you made that option. All in order to gain power so he can help his people.

 

 

No

 

I thought that it looked like flemeth transferred her soul intoSolas thereby possessing him. The same kind of fate she intended for morrigan.

 

 

And no

 

If you know Dragon Age series, and the Elven stories about their Gods (Mythal, Elgarnan, Fen'harel (the dread wolf), you understand things differently... : 

In each Dalish clan, there is statues of their gods, and always Fen'harel is far from the camp, the other gods statues are inside the camp, but Fen'harel is alway far from the camp, and if possible turned in the opposite direction of the camp...

Elven gods : Mythal (earth), Elgarnan (sun), Falon'din, Dirt'hamen, ...

Great forgottens (evil god) : don't know their names (may be the dalish are too superstitious) to remember their names ??

Why this ? 

 

Because the Dalish take Fen'haren responsible for the disappearance (vanishing) of their gods... In the Dalish folklore/codex it is write : Fen'harel was a dalish god, and he was friend with the gods, and with the great forgotten (the dalish evil gods(devils))...

And those 2 factions of gods were at war for something forgotten since long time ago... May be for something involving the Mortals (Elvens, Humans, Dwarfs, etc)...

Fen'harel (the dread wolf) which was clever and cunning was friend with the 2 factions of elven gods, and was capable to walk among each of them...  And the 2 factions trusted Fen'harel the dread wolf, and accepted Fen'harel like if he was one of them...

 

One day, Tired by the elven gods war, or may be for another reason, Fen'harel came to the 2 faction one after the other, and promised them he will give them victory against the other faction if they stop attacking and return in their paradise (territory)...

The two faction trusted Fen'harel, they stopped their against the other faction of gods, and returned in their paradise (territory, may be a portion of the fade)..

And Fen'harel locked them in their respective paradise (may be in a fade territory) ... 

 

Since this day, the Dalish haven't heard their gods speaking, and they think they have been abandoned by them, and they take Fe'harel responsible for this... And it is for this reason, in each dalish clan, Fen'harel statue is alway far from the basement, and far from the other elven gods statue...

It's also for this reason, when we entered the Mythal temple, Morrigan, and Solas were surprised to found a statue of Fen'harel in a Mythal sanctuary...

 

Constatation :

- During the last cutscene, when we saw Solas came to Flemeth (Mythal) in the fade, she said : "Hello Dread wolf, i knew you would come here..."... Solas is the Dread Wolf... 

- If you consider about Solas knowledge about fade.... this is strange ... (after talking with Vivienne, was was thinking Solas was a Spirit)

- Abelas in Mythal temple said Mythal have been murdered, but in the Dalish codex, it is write she have been locked up with the other gods by Fen'harel 

- After talking with Flemeth/Mythal (with Morrigan), she talk about revenge, she is bitterness about the world (in DAO, DA2 also, if you ask what is the problem, she always answer it's between him and me)... but the strange thing is she helped us, in DAO, DA2, DAI (with the dragon)...

- if you consider Solas behavior along the game, he is a good guy, not violent, pitying, compassionate, etc... And he kill Mythal the mother god ? the one which according to the Dalish is like a mother protecting her children's (elvens, humans, etc) ? Wait wait wait, in DA2 Merrill said it's not wise to ignore Mythal... She said she is dangerous...

 

Conclusion : 

Solas is Fen'harel...

May be Fen'harel is the better of the Elven gods (according to Solas personnality), may be the Dalish are wrong about their gods...

May be Solas have "locked - or send in a jail" Mythal  soul to protect the mortals (Elven, Humans, Dwarfs, etc) from her bitterness...

 

Source about Elven Gods : http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_pantheon

 

PS : sorry about my poor english speaking, i'm french, and english isn't not my main language...

[OriginalTibs]

PS : sorry about my poor english speaking, i'm french, and english isn't not my main language...

I wish my French were as good as your English.

[hazarkazra]

For the love of, could you take that stuff out of the title. It's people like you who spoiled it for me. I could avoid the spoilers section but I couldn't avoid the titles while checking up on bugs. Seriously.

[fcedric]

PS : after the cut-scene with Solas and Flemeth, have you seen the fresco on the wall, in Solas room at Skyhaven ? 

It's a wolf ...

This fresco (paint on the wall) describe the progression of Inquisition, and the last one, is the Wolf (the return of the dread wolf - Fen'harel)...

[fcedric]

For the love of, could you take that stuff out of the title. It's people like you who spoiled it for me. I could avoid the spoilers section but I couldn't avoid the titles while checking up on bugs. Seriously.

I'm sorry, but you are in the Spoiler section of the forum...

Until i have finished my game, i never come here in spoiler section of the forum, i hate to be spoil, i have also exited the DAI Party with my friends to avoid being spoiled... If you are here, it mean you don't care to be spoiled...

 

This isn't a the bug section of the forum

 

On the other side, if you tell me this title appear in Google search about Solas ... i could change it, of course ...

 

Edit : Sorry; i can't change the tittle, it is not editable... Once you created a topic, topic title can only be changed by moderator ...

[Ogillardetta]

 

 

If you know Dragon Age series, and the Elven stories about their Gods (Mythal, Elgarnan, Fen'harel (the dread wolf), you understand things differently... : 

 

Yeah I know the lore(I've played every game, read every book) but I still think he takes her soul or atleast part of it he is after all the dread wolf and I think he would trick flemeth/mythal because based from the conversations with him he seems to be willing to give up alot for his people and he needs to get his power back so he can save them. Taking flemeths power is one way to do it.

[DKJaigen]

I thought that it looked like flemeth transferred her soul intoSolas thereby possessing him. The same kind of fate she intended for morrigan.

 

Actually she never intended that faith for morrigan. While i was 50-50 about what happened i believe solas absorbed flemeth, i think that because last wall painting in skyhold depicts a wolf standing over a downed dragon who has a sword in the back

[ev76]

All I can say about that is beware of the Solas. I have a bad feeling about that guy. Lol.

[vometia]

I'm not entirely sure. I remember seeing Phlegm-thingy and then I sneezed and covered my screen in snot. I'm still trying to scrape it off. I think I need a sand-blaster. That fires napalm. That should do the trick.

[Rifneno]

I'm sorry, but you are in the Spoiler section of the forum...
Until i have finished my game, i never come here in spoiler section of the forum, i hate to be spoil, i have also exited the DAI Party with my friends to avoid being spoiled... If you are here, it mean you don't care to be spoiled...
 
This isn't a the bug section of the forum
 
On the other side, if you tell me this title appear in Google search about Solas ... i could change it, of course ...
 
Edit : Sorry; i can't change the tittle, it is not editable... Once you created a topic, topic title can be changed my moderator only i should think...

Yeah, because it's not like you can see thread titles from the forum lobby. It's not like there's a sticky in this forum telling you in no uncertain terms not to put spoilers in the title.

[BlueElf2]

 

Hello, 

Again, like in ME3, Bioware gone too fast at the end of the game (the ending) ... we need more details, an explanation... more dialogs between Mythal and Solas...

Why Solas (Fen'harel) kill Flemeth (Mythal) ? 

Or did he send her in her paradise with the other Elven gods because Mythal/Flemeth are too full of bitterness against mortals (peoples of Thedas) ? Or did he kill Flemeth to protect his friend the inquisitor from Flemeth ? ...

Don't tease us Bioware please, you will take 3 years to develop us Dragon Age 4, so give us decent Explanation (like with the small child at the end of ME3), give us an extended ending...

 

In Mythal temple, Abelas tell us Mythal was assassinated, but she is here, with us ????... And the Elven culture learn us the old gods were locked in their paradise long time ago, so this is non-sense...

 

Ps : was this a god kiss, a god hug ? 

 

It was left ambiguous on purpose. I do think that it might be addressed in future DLCs for this game.

[Draining Dragon]

Two words: sequel bait.

[sch1986]

My interpretation had nothing to do with Solas killing Mythal/flemeth. I think Mythal left flemeth's body to possess Solas':

1. We know Flemeth (Mythal) must continue to possess new bodies periodically. It's why she had Morrigan, and why she tried to possess OGB.

2. We know Flemeth's body is coming to the end of it's useful life.

Also- Solas says he is sorry for what he's done. AND we know Flemeth can only possess the bodies of the willing. Solas gave his body as repentance perhaps?

[fcedric]

I hope it will be DLCS with an extended end, or something about Solas and the Elven history... But better than DAO Morrigan dlc... 

[Aulis Vaara]

My interpretation had nothing to do with Solas killing Mythal/flemeth. I think Mythal left flemeth's body to possess Solas':

1. We know Flemeth (Mythal) must continue to possess new bodies periodically. It's why she had Morrigan, and why she tried to possess OGB.

2. We know Flemeth's body is coming to the end of it's useful life.

Also- Solas says he is sorry for what he's done. AND we know Flemeth can only possess the bodies of the willing. Solas gave his body as repentance perhaps?

 

Well that's not true. Flemeth personally says that she has carried Mythal through the ages. That doesn't sound like she has been body-hopping at all.

We don't know that Flemeth actually needs to body hop, we don't know that her age matters at all. More than one character has extended their life through magic. Being host to an elven goddess might well have this consequence. Possessed Wynne certainly survived a whole lot longer than she should have.

 

What we DO know, is that Flemeth (or Mythal?) cannot take the body of the unwilling. We also know that the Dread Wolf said that he *should* be the one to bear the consequences, but the People, they NEED him. Does that sound like someone who is willing to be possessed, to you?

[angelofsol]

Actually she never intended that faith for morrigan. While i was 50-50 about what happened i believe solas absorbed flemeth, i think that because last wall painting in skyhold depicts a wolf standing over a downed dragon who has a sword in the back

That's not what showed in mine... mine looked like it had a dragon bowing to a huge foot with a sword either planted in the foot OR a sword planted between two feet you're just not able to see the other foot because it's behind.

I only REALLY paid attention to this in the second playthrough where I had an elf mage romance Solas.  Now I'm wondering if I go back in to my other two playthroughs what's there.  I know some of the scenes can and do change, like one is different if you side with the mages instead of the templars.

I think I'm going to go and look at it now because now I'm really curious.  Also that one didn't seem fully finished or at the very least it was the least decorative and colorful of the mural scenes.  If I have anything different in any of my playthroughs I'll come back here and let you know.

[angelofsol]

Looked at all three playthroughs, same scene so I don't think it's something that changes, at least not if you have decent to high approval with Solas.  I have none with low approval with Solas.

So, assuming that we are indeed looking at the same scene... I think what you see as a wolf I see as a dragon.  What you see as a dragon I see as a stylized foot and leg, possibly armored.

Looking at it again I guess I could see where you're seeing a dragon there and why you might see a wolf where I see a dragon.

If you're right about what the dragon is though the wingspan is HUGE compared to the head and body.

I'm guessing the scene was deliberately highly ambiguous as not give any real hints or clues at all which sort of sucks.

The wolf/dragon seems to be looking or "bowing" to the sword, that's all I'm taking away from it at this point now.  What that means I have no clue.  I'm inclined to think that it has no deeper meaning then perhaps you mastering the dragon or if it's Morrigan because you didn't drink her serving the Inquisition.  But I really don't know, it's not like some of the other murals are very clear about exactly what they're depicting from your Inquisitor's exploits, which from my understanding is what they're supposed to do/be of.

[pdusen]

This isn't at all like the end of ME3.

 

The original end of ME3 occurred in a way where you didn't know what the outcome was really going to be for your companions or for the other denizens of the galaxy, except for what the starbrat vaguely explains to you, so there was no real closure.

 

The end of DAI is you defeat Corypheus and then you have a party. You talk to all of your companions about what they'll do next. Closure achieved. The stuff that happens with Flemeth and Solas after that is just foreshadowing for the next conflict.

[hazarkazra]

I'm sorry, but you are in the Spoiler section of the forum...

Until i have finished my game, i never come here in spoiler section of the forum, i hate to be spoil, i have also exited the DAI Party with my friends to avoid being spoiled... If you are here, it mean you don't care to be spoiled...

 

This isn't a the bug section of the forum

 

On the other side, if you tell me this title appear in Google search about Solas ... i could change it, of course ...

 

Edit : Sorry; i can't change the tittle, it is not editable... Once you created a topic, topic title can only be changed by moderator ...

 

Oh well the mods took care of it, I see. The problem is that there are multiple spots on the main page which show the title as someone mentioned before. I'll be nice and give my interpretation of the scene now.

 

Flemeth was acting as the goddess of vengeance she is. Clearly, Solas/Fen'Haril did something horrible wrong, twice. First by doing whatever he did during the time of the elves (most likely locking up the other gods thus dooming the elves) or just recently by handing over the orb to Corypheus. As Mythal is a goddess of vengeance she is forced to act against Fen'Haril for the loss of life he has caused or for his actions against the other gods. Fen'Haril then acts in self defense by killing her. At the same time he is probably re-energizing himself with the essence of a 'goddess', after all he complained that he only awoke recently and isn't as strong as he was. He probably went looking for Mythal (realizing she was still alive after the Well of Sorrow events) because after Plan A (Corypheus) failed to bring him the power he was looking for this seemed like the best option.

 

Yet he doesn't seem to notice that just before him arriving Flemeth/Mythal has send part of herself through the eluvian thus probably surviving whatever Fen'Hanril did to her.