Well, with the Rebel mages Fiona was just the right amount of stupid and Alexius just the right amount of affable. The Inquisitor of Vivienne might not have fallen for it, but I wouldn't say 'every mage' would have dismissed Alexius off hand without at least thinking about it.
You've got to be pretty stupid to join with the people who miraculously appears right when you need them. That's got to raise some eyebrows, right?
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You've got to be pretty stupid to join with the people who miraculously appears right when you need them. That's got to raise some eyebrows, right?
Fiona is Fiona. And as I said fear is a great motivator. Doesn't help that a small fraction of the Rebels wanted to join the Venatori before the offer was made.
Well, with the Rebel mages Fiona was just the right amount of stupid and Alexius just the right amount of affable. The Inquisitor of Vivienne might not have fallen for it, but I wouldn't say 'every mage' would have dismissed Alexius off hand without at least thinking about his offer.
What does this even mean? There is no difference between Fiona accepting Alexiu's help and Clarel going along with Erimond's plan. Unless you agree that Fiona and Clarel were both stupid for letting their fear of a Templar attack and the Calling influence their decision to make deals with Tevinter Magisters.
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What does this even mean? There is no difference between Fiona accepting Alexiu's help and Clarel going along with Erimond's plan. Unless you agree that Fiona and Clarel were both stupid for letting their fear of a Templar attack and the Calling influence their decision to make deals with Tevinter Magisters.
Fiona was making a knee-jerk decision for not only herself, but her entire faction (which consists of hundreds if not a thousand strong) without their consent. That decision involved indentured servitude. Clarel and her Wardens went into their deal with Erimond eyes open and a few waffled when the Inquisition was on their doorstep. While both are stupid, I say that Fiona is worse, because she knew they would at least be slaves.
Fiona was making a knee-jerk decision for not only herself, but her entire faction (which consists of hundreds if not a thousand strong) without their consent. That decision involved indentured servitude. Clarel and her Wardens went into their deal with Erimond eyes open and a few waffled when the Inquisition was on their doorstep. While both are stupid, I say that Fiona is worse, because she knew they would at least be slaves.
There's some who think she was under the influence of blood magic. Things like, her not remembering meeting you in Val Royeaux, and thinking that indentured servitude in Batarian space was a good idea.
If so, they could have at least tossed out a codex written by Alexius saying things like, "Good thing I got the grand enchanter with blood magic."
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There's some who think she was under the influence of blood magic. Things like, her not remembering meeting you in Val Royeaux, and thinking that indentured servitude in Batarian space was a good idea.
If so, they could have at least tossed out a codex written by Alexius saying things like, "Good thing I got the grand enchanter with blood magic."
Blood magic is not Alexius' thing. Dorian even says it. And who needs blood magic when you could be Dr. Who from Ancient Rome? Fiona is just that stupid and doesn't deserve freedom you if decide to side with the mages.
Blood magic is not Alexius' thing. Dorian even says it. And who needs blood magic when you could be Dr. Who from Ancient Rome? Fiona is just that stupid and doesn't deserve freedom you if decide to side with the mages.
That was the other theory, that the one you meet in Val Royeaux was sent from the future to make sure you deal with the mages.
Fiona does not mention being mind controlled into making her decision if the mages are recruited IIRC.
Fiona does not mention being mind controlled into making her decision if the mages are recruited IIRC.
No, but she wouldn't, would she?
Mostly, people were looking for a reason she would do that. At all. For any reason.
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No, but she wouldn't, would she?
Mostly, people were looking for a reason she would do that. At all. For any reason.
She's dumb and if wasn't for her I'd be more willing to give the rebel mages a full partnership. And the 'theory' as you put it is that the Fiona that the Inquisitor meets in Val Royeaux actually 'stopped existing' when Alexius traveled back in time. He traveled to a point before Fiona traveled to Val Royeux to meet the Inquisitor and stopped her from going. The timeline then 'adjusted' according to those events.
Fiona is Fiona. And as I said fear is a great motivator. Doesn't help that a small fraction of the Rebels wanted to join the Venatori before the offer was made.
You mean the Venatori that came before Alexius?
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You mean the Venatori that came before Alexius?
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Well not Venatori specifically, but Tevinter. The idiot Libertarians that were happy to join the Venatori thought they're synonymous. Except they aren't and one is a nation and another is an extremist faction of cultists from that nation obsessed with 'the glory days'.
Well not Venatori specifically, but Tevinter. The idiot Libertarians that were happy to join the Venatori thought they're synonymous. Except they aren't and one is a nation and another is an extremist faction of cultists from that nation obsessed with 'the glory days'.
I really doubt Aleixus presented himself and the Venatori as "we are a cult and more extremist than those guys in Tevinter want to rule the world?" It seemed more like "yo Fiona everyone is going to blame mages for the Breach and the Divines death and there's most likely a Templar army backed by the Fereldans coming right now to kill all of your mages. You don't want them to die right? Let my guys, the Venatori, take care of them and you. But I also want you help me out with some stuff too. You know the saying, I scratch your back, you scratch mine. What do we want you to do? We can talk about it in detail later. Oh, and if you don't agree right now, well good luck with those mobs and Templars you know are coming."
Basically he's giving the pitch you would give to the Rebel Mages to help you. If you ally with them you were actually genuine with the offer of help. If you conscript them you are doing what Alexius does and pull a fast one into making them your conscripted grunts.
Man, this needs some explanation. Were they at Adamant? Are they investigating the Primeval Thaig? Are they in Weisshaupt? Did they go with the Hero of Ferelden to find a cure for the Taint?
It's just one of those things the writing team didn't want to answer for whatever reason and they really should have. Either they're being saved for a DLC/expansion like deal or "Awakening never happened".
I hope they don't answer it.
Whatever the explanation, it'll just p*ss people off. Let the players headcanon it, I say.
while i was fairly neutral about fiona after reading the calling and asunder, i was highly disappointed that she turned out to be such a bland (and as many people have pointed out, not a very smart cookie) character. the impression i had of her from the books was a defiant woman who bent to no one's will but her own and who was very opinionated. i sensed none of that when i actually met her. instead, i saw a woman who cowed easily before alexius and gave in without a fight. yes, she had a lot of mages under her wing who she felt responsible for, but the fiona i thought i knew would've looked for another way. i still felt a little bad for her when alistair showed up though >__> of course, you can't blame the man for being a *tad* upset that his uncle had been thrown out of his own town, but i can only imagine how fiona must've felt at that moment.
i feel that the wardens had absolutely no excuse. stroud/alistair/loghain can't have possibly been the ONLY warden to have realised that the false calling was suspicious. and of course the mage wardens would have no problems going through with the plan, they weren't the ones to be sacrificed >.> my cousland would've been ashamed of her order.
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I really doubt Aleixus presented himself and the Venatori as "we are a cult and more extremist than those guys in Tevinter want to rule the world?" It seemed more like "yo Fiona everyone is going to blame mages for the Breach and the Divines death and there's most likely a Templar army backed by the Fereldans coming right now to kill all of your mages. You don't want them to die right? Let my guys, the Venatori, take care of them and you. But I also want you help me out with some stuff too. You know the saying, I scratch your back, you scratch mine. What do we want you to do? We can talk about it in detail later. Oh, and if you don't agree right now, well good luck with those mobs and Templars you know are coming."
Well Alexius didn't want anything to do with that until his son had the taint so he was just the sort of person they needed for recruitment. Not at all demented by delusions of ruling the world. And he also parked a Rift outside of Redcliffe after he did some time traveling.
The Warden Commander went to cure the calling. Probably taking Oghren, Velanna, Sigrun, and Nathaniel with him?
So far i have not seen this....
In the novel The Last Flight, the present day wardens of weisshaupt are concerned with the disappearance of the wardens in orlais, meaning that corypheus has not affected the weisshaupt wardens at that point. It is my interpretation that corypheus only controlled the orlesian wardens, not any of the free marcher wardens, anderfels wardens, or the ferelden wardens.
I think the ferelden wardens are exactly where they are supposed to be, still there. We know those in weisshaupt ordered nathaniel into the free marches to investigate the primeval thaig, so he was at least traveling... at the end of TLF we find out that amaranthine has a new warden commander, so our hero is gone... however why wouldnt ogrhen, velanna, and sigrun stay... if you got all their approvals up properly they do stay with the wardens and dont disappear.
And before you go off saying that clarel would have at least reported their stuff to weisshaupt, especially if it involved ending the blights, in TLF we find out that all correspondences have not been returned from the orlesian wardens... this would be someone of corypheus's crew interrupting them, and anything clarel would have sent would be returned with a fake reply.
So i think that the wardens in the other nations were not aware of what was going on, and it didnt seem like the wardens of weisshaupt were ready to launch a full scale investigation into it either, due to the worrying about the mage templar war issues and the civil war issues. The wardens searching for stroud/alistair/loghain in crestwood would be orlesian wardens, and the ferelden wardens would not be aware of their activities within their borders... Now the question is, why didnt stroud/alistair/loghain go to the other wardens? My guess, fear of not being believed, or fear of corruption within their ranks... that is why he asked for an outside source like hawke for help.
I am pretty sure that they said they can find the wardens in Aramantine also.
Yeah, if we could remove Fiona as the leader of the mage rebellion, then I would've done so and had the mages as partners instead of just conscripting them.
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