Favouring liara by.. having her completely misable in an entire game? So you could theoretically limit her to one mission and cutscene in me1, and about three cut scenes and one mission in me3.this is just one of the many examples of the writers favouring Liara but hey according to a few people here thats not true
That does not mean much. Yes you can, but look at the amount of technical content that does exist. Liara does have much more content than most squadmates.
That does not mean much. Yes you can, but look at the amount of technical content that does exist. Liara does have much more content than most squadmates.
Does she really, though? The fact that she is completely cast aside in ME2 whereas Tali and Garrus are present in the entire trilogy really puts the odds against her. Granted, Tali only appears halfway through ME2/3 but Garrus is there pretty much from the start in each trilogy. You really think she has "much more" content than Garrus?
Not saying she doesn't, I don't actually know. I'm just skeptical of such a thing being true. I am curious, though. I might check out youtube later, actually. Might have some clues there.
Does she really, though? The fact that she is completely cast aside in ME2 whereas Tali and Garrus are present in the entire trilogy really puts the odds against her. Granted, Tali only appears halfway through ME2/3 but Garrus is there pretty much from the start in each trilogy. You really think she has "much more" content than Garrus?
Not saying she doesn't, I don't actually know. I'm just skeptical of such a thing being true. I am curious, though. I might check out youtube later, actually. Might have some clues there.
Massively did say that Liara had more content than most squadmates, not all. 
Garrus doesn't have to be recruited in ME1. Tali doesn't have to be recruited in ME2 which will lead to a squadmate dying because of no shield upgrade that only can be obtained if Tali is onboard the Normandy
Massively did say that Liara had more content than most squadmates, not all.
True, true. Fine print, my nemesis. I submit to this. Though I am still curious just what the difference is now that the question has been raised. Lol.
Garrus doesn't have to be recruited in ME1. Tali doesn't have to be recruited in ME2 which will lead to a squadmate dying because of no shield upgrade that only can be obtained if Tali is onboard the Normandy
True but that doesn't have any real relevance to the above subject. Massively (God, I presume) pointed out that, even if optional, there is more technical content for her than most ( ). I mentioned that Garrus and Tali might have around the same amount. Arguing that the "they can be skipped" doesn't change the stance of the argument which was how much content is actually available to them in the game.
But that's the same argument I just used for saying you can do the same for Liara.
Can't have it both ways.
To be fair Mike has been clear before to mention that some of the Liara interactions are optional and not forced. The scenes he argues are forced on us actually ARE forced on us (the wake up scene for example). He did point out earlier that some of the things Sheppard was complaining about with Liara are optional and can be skipped. So it isn't like he's oblivious to the skippable elements with Liara - he's pretty good at only blaming the real offenders, even if I might disagree with his reasoning.
Least thats been my impression. I could be completely off-base. I could also be misunderstanding your comment, too. Lol.
Each squad mate has unskippable scenes that are forced on us. Yet Liara is the only one where this is criticised. You can potentially go through the game and have a fairly minimum contact with her, yet others (who are in the same boat) do not suffer the same amount of vitriol.
It is only the 3rd game where she has a few scenes that you cannot avoid - yet apparently this makes her the writers pet (even though you can ignore her for an entire game).
I just find it really bizarre that's all. It's like me saying Miranda was a writers pet in ME2 as she was forced on us and has the best romance content.
Each squad mate has unskippable scenes that are forced on us. Yet Liara is the only one where this is criticised. You can potentially go through the game and have a fairly minimum contact with her, yet others (who are in the same boat) do not suffer the same amount of vitriol.
It is only the 3rd game where she has a few scenes that you cannot avoid - yet apparently this makes her the writers pet (even though you can ignore her for an entire game).
I just find it really bizarre that's all. It's like me saying Miranda was a writers pet in ME2 as she was forced on us and has the best romance content.
Well put. I was always annoyed by Miranda presenting herself as Shepard's second in command. She was put in that position by the Illusive Man but my Shepard would not have agreed with that in the slightest. Then we have Jack's greeting, recommendation on where to go for the first mission, Reaper IFF debriefing, attacking Joker after Collector attack, preparing the shuttle for IFF testing, the whole Suicide Mission... For someone who doesn't like her that's quite annoying.
So what was the purpose in having Liara show up at Shepard's cabin after the 1st and 2nd dream?
Well put. I was always annoyed by Miranda presenting herself as Shepard's second in command. She was put in that position by the Illusive Man but my Shepard would not have agreed with that in the slightest. Then we have Jack's greeting, recommendation on where to go for the first mission, Reaper IFF debriefing, attacking Joker after Collector attack, preparing the shuttle for IFF testing, the whole Suicide Mission... For someone who doesn't like her that's quite annoying.
Jacob also shows up after a couple of missions without MIranda present. He's there after recruting Garrus, recruiting Thane, recruiting Samara, recruiting Tali.
Miranda and Jacob are together for the tank, after the collector ship along with Mordin, the Geth, after Joker takes a tour of the Normandy and after completing Jacob's loyalty mission
Jacob also shows up after a couple of missions without MIranda present. He's there after recruting Garrus, recruiting Thane, recruiting Samara, recruiting Tali.
Miranda and Jacob are together for the tank, after the collector ship along with Mordin, the Geth, after Joker takes a tour of the Normandy and after completing Jacob's loyalty mission
Yes, but Jacob does not act with authority. One of the first instances in the game when meeting Veetor.
Miranda: "Grab the quarian and call the shuttle to pick us up." And there are other scenes like that. Jacob's dialogue is written in a way that he doesn't impose his opinion. The only instance I can recall of something like that is recruiting Thane but then again, you can tell him to deal with it. Miranda has quite a few scenes when you are forced to accept her decisions and words.
Yes, but Jacob does not act with authority. One of the first instances in the game when meeting Veetor.
Miranda: "Grab the quarian and call the shuttle to pick us up." And there are other scenes like that. Jacob's dialogue is written in a way that he doesn't impose his opinion. The only instance I can recall of something like that is recruiting Thane but then again, you can tell him to deal with it. Miranda has quite a few scenes when you are forced to accept her decisions and words.
What scenes is the player forced to accept Miranda's decisions?
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Favouring liara by.. having her completely misable in an entire game? So you could theoretically limit her to one mission and cutscene in me1, and about three cut scenes and one mission in me3.
Yep, that's favouring.
you keep believing whatever you want
I'm talking about ME 3 c'mon you have to do better than this
also you just keep ignoring that she is unkillable thats the major point her but nope you don't pay attention to that quite convenient
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Yes, but Jacob does not act with authority. One of the first instances in the game when meeting Veetor.
Miranda: "Grab the quarian and call the shuttle to pick us up." And there are other scenes like that. Jacob's dialogue is written in a way that he doesn't impose his opinion. The only instance I can recall of something like that is recruiting Thane but then again, you can tell him to deal with it. Miranda has quite a few scenes when you are forced to accept her decisions and words.
nothing compared to Liara also if you hate Miranda that much kill her off in the SM
I can't even do that with Liara
Miranda has one game where she is a squadmate and where she is "forced" on you
Liara has three games and a DLC and in no way can you kill her (except failing the mission)
I don't see how thats even remotely comparable
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Does she really, though? The fact that she is completely cast aside in ME2 whereas Tali and Garrus are present in the entire trilogy really puts the odds against her. Granted, Tali only appears halfway through ME2/3 but Garrus is there pretty much from the start in each trilogy. You really think she has "much more" content than Garrus?
Not saying she doesn't, I don't actually know. I'm just skeptical of such a thing being true. I am curious, though. I might check out youtube later, actually. Might have some clues there.
its not about the content man its that she is forced on you and that she is unkillable
don't like Garrus? kill him off in the SM
don't like Liara? screw you she is a writer's pet
nothing compared to Liara also if you hate Miranda that much kill her off in the SM
I can't even do that with Liara
Miranda has one game where she is a squadmate and where she is "forced" on you
Liara has three games and a DLC and in no way can you kill her (except failing the mission)I don't see how thats even remotely comparable comparable
I compared the two characters for the forced content they both have.
Killing Miranda in Suicide Mission is the same as killing Liara on a beam run. You still have to put up with her for the entire game. And as others pointed out you can barely have any interactions with Liara prior to ME3.
And I don't hate Miranda. I don't hate any of the squadmates we got. I merely pointed out that for someone who dislikes Miranda, her forced content in ME2 is no less annoying than forced content for Liara in ME3.
you keep believing whatever you want
I'm talking about ME 3 c'mon you have to do better than this
also you just keep ignoring that she is unkillable thats the major point her but nope you don't pay attention to that quite convenient
So you are being exceptionally selective in you accusations of writer's pet, ignoring all evidence to the contrary (including the fact she is killable) and also ignoring the fact that other characters could arguably be described as just as much a writer's pet in the other games?
That's not putting across a reasoned argument for discussion, that's just being deliberately obtuse for the sake of creating a reaction.
This thread is getting good...
I've allowed myself to get sucked in haven't I. Shame on me.
In an ideal world Miranda would have had very prominent role in the plot...
as the Cerberus rival instead of Kai Leng.
In said ideal world, Liara would be unromancible and unrecruitable as well. And killable.
And Miranda would be your professional rival within Cerberus. I like it. You know, ME2 kind of does that to an extent, at least, close to the beginning.
In said ideal world, Liara would be unromancible and unrecruitable as well. And killable.
In ideal world, we wouldn't have a supposedly omnipotent, omnipresent figure who is never wrong and whose flunkies have committed some of the worst atrocities in human history in His name(and the name of "good") but there you go.
As for you OP...
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