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[SkyKing]

First before a Mod even thinks of locking this thread, please read this article from Bioware's own developers about purposefully inserting these issues in the game and that the game brings up these things.  If you lock the thread, then I'll take that as you feel they should not be in the game at all as well because this is for feedback and suggestions based on what's in the game and if you feel it's not appropriate for the forum then you would be saying it's not appropriate for the game either.   

 

Here is an interview with the LEAD writer who being a gay man, says he does want to put his view and push his issues in the game and his attempt to make sure he doesn't go too far but not too little so nothing is said.  http://www.gamespot....r/1100-6417843/

 

I'll quote him..."What point is too little, or too much? I have a whole ton of other responsibilities on my plate, so at what point am I focusing too much on this one thing when I have so much else to do?""....."it reinforces my belief that there's a place for such discussion right now, that it's needed, even amidst all the other concerns that I must deal with day-to-day which have absolutely nothing to do with who I choose to date"

 

 

With the above said, here is my reply to the lead developer and bioware.  

 

I play RPG's for fantasy and to escape reality.  You ask what is "too little or too much", I say anything is too much. It's fine to have a gay character but not fine to be shoving the so called issues down our throats. Dorians person quest was completely out of line.  It was all "Let's pause the game for a minute and listen to an LGBT lecture on how parents should accept their son if he is gay and not try to change him".  

 

Why is there even an article about the lead developer being gay and an interview about being gay and gay issues in video games? 

 

Other then the Dorian issue, there was Iron Bulls right hand ...trans?  Also even as a straight guy, I can't argue that all the men in the game were made to look good looking.  The females, Cassandra was okay but the others were really ugly. Almost no romance options for straight, and only a nip slip.  Yet the gay scenes are supposedly pretty graphic. Flirting is few and far inbetween with the straight characters yet it seems no matter how many flirt options you pass with Dorian, most dialogue options have a chance.  

 

And if the lead developer or any of those who made the decisions to put this stuff in the game want to know how it helped their cause as far as I am concerned?  I have been one who says all should be equal and everybody should mind their own business on other people and also keep their business to themselves. I support laws and everything allowing people to live their life how they want and for it to be nobody's business but themselves.  But since the LGBT community keep seeming to want to shove their business in everyone's face and push these things everywhere, it just annoys me, I want to say shut up already, and it seems the more help and support they get, the louder they get and wanting to push things more, video games, all tv shows, etc.  So it's now at the point where it's going to start having an opposing effect on me. 

 

How do others feel about this?  Do you mind it, don't mind it, etc? 

[daveliam]

<Looks for "shoving down my throat".>

 

There it is!  BINGO! 

 

Needless to say, I strongly disagree with your statements.

[Steelcan]

[Koranis]

This is how I saw that whole quest line:

 

Dorian's father (tried to do?) did something unspeakable.   That event is what cemented Dorian's anti-bloodmagic, anti-Magister views.

 

Much along the lines of a real world gay person's anti-religious views could be as a result of their religous parents trying to use an exorcism or rebirth therapy to make him/her straight.

[Thibax]

What?

 

Who is shoving down your throat?

 

 

Since when is forbidden to have gay heroes in games and in everywhere? Just straight people can be heroes?

[Efvie]

No. Countersuggestion: go away.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

i don't even care if he's gay. so what? who cares? just play the damn game, sexuality (hetero, ****** or otherwise) is an optional content

 

EDIT

since when homosexuality is a bad word? O_o

[msantos]

<Looks for "shoving down my throat".>

 

There it is!  BINGO! 

 

Needless to say, I strongly disagree with your statements.

 

Very predictable indeed.

 

+1    

[Krelian]

First of all, I am absolutely agree with you on your last paragraph, SkyKing. It is true that people have right to live their life however they want, until it is not going against common sense or laws. But there is a limit to all. And I believe if things go as they are, soon, straight people would have to try and protect their rights to date a girls...

 

As for the game. Well, I did the Dorian personal quest, and I did not paid much attention to it: "So he is a gay, yeah, whatever". That is a trend this days, I guess. At least all this gay stuff was not pushed to you every time you have a conversation with him. If you really want to see when this is pushed to you at every angle, play Dragon Age II.

[Gibsy]

I absolutely disagree.

This is Bioware's artwork. They can do whatever they want with it.

Buy it, or don't. There's no gay agenda, they're just writing a story and world that they hope people will love.

[syllogi]

I also play RPGs for fantasy and to escape reality.  I've found that, before games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, the way I was being forced to role play as a closeted character even when my heroine was OBVIOUSLY in love with the female npc over there who was a heterosexual love interest for male heroes, to be boring, and a little too much like real life, where it's considered weird and gross and possibly dangerous for me to openly express affection for a woman in many places.

 

If you didn't enjoy Dorian's personal quest, don't do it in the future on other playthroughs, or don't recruit him at all.  You have options.  

 

If I can't scrub out all the heterosexuality in this game, you can live with the tiny bit of effort it takes to remove the gay.

[mutantspicy]

Wow .  I love the bit about how if the moderators lock my thread, they must agree with me.

 

"eight year olds dude"  - Walter

[Fidite Nemini]

Suggestion: Leave cisgendered/straight sexuality issues and agendas out of the games.

 

Silly straight white male culture interferes with my enjoyment. I play games for fantasy lesbian goodness, not staidly sexuality wars!

[VoidOfOne]

Yeah... Personally, I don't have an issue with it, and I don't think it has come to the point where the LGBT is pushing their agenda in gaming. Nothing's been loss, it is just stuff that's added on top.

 

I get why people think this is an issue. I don't agree, but I get it.

[SkyKing]

I also play RPGs for fantasy and to escape reality.  I've found that, before games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, the way I was being forced to role play as a closeted character even when my heroine was OBVIOUSLY in love with the female npc over there who was a heterosexual love interest for male heroes, to be boring, and a little too much like real life, where it's considered weird and gross and possibly dangerous for me to openly express affection for a woman in many places.

 

If you didn't enjoy Dorian's personal quest, don't do it in the future on other playthroughs, or don't recruit him at all.  You have options.  

 

If I can't scrub out all the heterosexuality in this game, you can live with the tiny bit of effort it takes to remove the gay.

 

As I said, it's fine having gay characters, etc, in the game. But as the lead developer said, he intentionally puts issues/agenda in the game.  Dorian was gay and the game could have left it at that but then had to push it further with the personal quest being about acceptance. As the lead developer said, he is seeing how far he can go with putting in gay right issues before it's too far.  I am saying it went too far. 

[KingAgamemnon]

Strongly disagree. If you're concerned about BioWare pushing some kind of feminist or LGBT agenda this late in the game, you haven't been paying attention. I also used to dislike it when people push their agenda down my throat, but you know what? I've had an epiphany over the last few years: I stopped caring. Does it really, honestly affect me in any negative way? No, not really. Not until the day they make it illegal to be a heterosexual white male, in which case I'll start feeling distressed. But you even said you're into equality. As far as the white Anglo-Saxon Christian world (which, unless you're from Africa or one of the Asiatic countries, is almost certainly where you live) is concerned, things like women's rights and LGBT rights are still pretty new to the playing field. I didn't see a single instance in DA:I where the homosexual agenda was forcefully shoved down my throat. I have friends who have gone through literally the exact same thing as Dorian, save for, you know, being a mage and all that. I thought that the pieces of LGBT propaganda present in DA:I were very tastefully and artfully done. So, again: strongly disagree.

[Aralyne]

Dorian's romance gets pretty graphic? All right, so we do get to see some arse (fine Tevinter arse at that too), but that's it. I'd hardly call that pretty graphical or anything out of the norm in this day and age where you can get subjected to ****** and arses just turning on the tv or watching a movie.

[SkyKing]

Yeah... Personally, I don't have an issue with it, and I don't think it has come to the point where the LGBT is pushing their agenda in gaming. Nothing's been loss, it is just stuff that's added on top.

 

I get why people think this is an issue. I don't agree, but I get it.

 

O they are.....http://www.advocate....val-video-games    - article about game developer who was under fire over his reply when they were complaining why no 'trans' people in their games.  

 

http://www.theatlant...-heroes/284017/

[massive_effect]

I agree with the OP. Bioware has had a few public discussions about LGBT issues. It's clear that some Bioware members have an agenda. One of the Bioware sponsored LGBT discussions was about Mass Effect and it opened up with "It's a shame we need to have this discussion..." (as if LGBT was a self-evident good).

I personally don't want any LGBT stuff in my games. Liara's character (the Asari) was acceptable. Anything beyond that is not what I want.

[SkyKing]

Dorian's romance gets pretty graphic? All right, so we do get to see some arse (fine Tevinter arse at that too), but that's it. I'd hardly call that pretty graphical or anything out of the norm in this day and age where you can get subjected to ****** and arses just turning on the tv or watching a movie.

 

Look at the lesbian scene w/ sera.  

[Gibsy]

As I said, it's fine having gay characters, etc, in the game. But as the lead developer said, he intentionally puts issues/agenda in the game. Dorian was gay and the game could have left it at that but then had to push it further with the personal quest being about acceptance. As the lead developer said, he is seeing how far he can go with putting in gay right issues before it's too far. I am saying it went too far.

Of course they intentionally made him gay! How could they accidentally make him gay?

That doesn't mean he's pushing an "agenda" on you.

And until straight people start getting murdered for their sexual orientation, you don't have a right to say what is going too far.

This is Bioware's piece of art. You don't censor art, or remove content for the sake of avoiding conflict. You either like it or you hate it, nothing more.

[Captain Wiseass]

I always love the use of "agenda" as a scareword. Apart from its utter ridiculousness (like someone's afraid of being attacked by secretaries bearing the minutes of the last meeting), it's always a nice window into the psychology of entitlement. It's a wonderful mental alchemy by which "equal treatment" becomes "special treatment" in the eyes of the privileged.

[Fidite Nemini]

Look at the lesbian scene w/ sera.  

 

 

I do. And I say "yummy", closely followed by "beeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwbs".

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Look at the lesbian scene w/ sera.  

There's boobs in her scene.

 

Just like Cassandra's. And Blackwall's.

 

They're both heterosexual. Try again.