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[syllogi]

As I said, it's fine having gay characters, etc, in the game. But as the lead developer said, he intentionally puts issues/agenda in the game.  Dorian was gay and the game could have left it at that but then had to push it further with the personal quest being about acceptance. As the lead developer said, he is seeing how far he can go with putting in gay right issues before it's too far.  I am saying it went too far. 

 

And I don't think it went far enough, when it comes to Sera and Josephine in particular, because they don't talk at all about their experiences, good or bad, with being attracted to women as it relates to life in Thedas.  You may not care to get their perspectives on this subject, but it could easily be a part of their romance, not a general dialogue option, and even if it was, you could just choose not to talk to them about it.

 

I mean, you do get enough info before getting fully involved in Dorian's quest so that you can decide whether or not to do it.  This isn't a surprise sexy massage, or a flirt from a guy you didn't explicitly ask for.  He just needs your help, and you helped him.  What is offensive about that?

[daveliam]

What?

 

Who is shoving down your throat?

 

Ha!  What is it about straight guys being obsessed with gay people shoving their "agendas" down their throats?  Good grief!  It's crazy to me how often this comes up.  Freudian much?

 

I agree with the OP. Bioware has had a few public discussions about LGBT issues. It's clear that some Bioware members have an agenda. One of the Bioware sponsored LGBT discussions was about Mass Effect and it opened up with "It's a shame we need to have this discussion..." (as if LGBT was a self-evident good).

I personally don't want any LGBT stuff in my games. Liara's character (the Asari) was acceptable. Anything beyond that is not what I want.

 

Well then, perhaps Bioware games aren't for you.  It's clear that they are going in a different direction than you feel comfortable with.  I'm sure that you won't have any trouble finding another series of games that is scrubbed clear of any and all LGBT references.  Don't worry, it's about 95% of games out there. 

[Captain Wiseass]

As I said, it's fine having gay characters, etc, in the game. But as the lead developer said, he intentionally puts issues/agenda in the game.  Dorian was gay and the game could have left it at that but then had to push it further with the personal quest being about acceptance. As the lead developer said, he is seeing how far he can go with putting in gay right issues before it's too far.  I am saying it went too far. 

Yes, how dare he write about things that are important to him. Doesn't he know his job as a writer is to provide his audience with a completely milquetoast experience that they don't have to think about at all?

 

Bonus question: If Orson Scott Card had written the game, would you have had the same problem had he inserted a "gay conversion therapy" plotline?

[Steelcan]

Ha!  What is it about straight guys being obsessed with gay people shoving their "agendas" down their throats?  Good grief!  It's crazy to me how often this comes up.  Freudian much?

 

please don't lump us all in with OP

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Weird, is alot of straight characters but they ain't accused of pushing any agenda down anyone's throat just for existing

[Kevorka]

How do we knot know if there were gays in the Middle Ages?
This all started with Zevran, or the guy on guy option in the first game.
The writers like these story lines to make the game reflect real life. If you do not like the gay party members you can just not pick them.

[massive_effect]

This is Bioware's piece of art. You don't censor art, or remove content for the sake of avoiding conflict. You either like it or you hate it, nothing more.

This is fan feedback. The whole point is to share your opinion about the game. Nobody is talking about censorship.

The truth is that political correctness has hurt the quality of this game in many aspects. This agenda has given us ugly/masculine females and lackluster plot and banter. The OP mentioned the one side-plot, but it is much deeper than that.

[Captain Wiseass]

Ha!  What is it about straight guys being obsessed with gay people shoving their "agendas" down their throats? 

Probably has to do with them not being as straight as they'd like.

[ruggly]

BAAAAAAW

[SkyKing]

 

 

 Anyone who stands against LGBT in this day and age, who has any kind of problem with it is clearly ignorant, selfish, and probably close minded. 

 

Your response PERFECTLY demonstrates my point and part of the agenda.    "ANYONE who has ANY kind of problem is CLEARLY ignorant, selfish,close minded". So aside from at the voters polls supporting equal rights, if you don't also embrace the parades, gay pride, all the tv shows and video games getting filled with LGBT issues, boycott chick filet or you're a bigot because the owner said in a church magazine he supports traditional/church marriage, and as your post demonstrates,  "Anybody who doesn't like these issues being forced on them on the tv shows, movies, video games, and personal parts of their life when they want entertainment only and no political/social issues thrown at them everywhere they turn is ignorant, homophobic, hater!" 

 

So thank you for making my point! 

[keyip]

 

How do others feel about this?  

 

It's their game, they can do as they please.

 

Do you mind it? 

 

No.

[Etragorn]

Just as there is a spectrum of sexual orientations, gender identities, etc... IRL, their absolutely should be in games. To assume an entire population are straight, white people who are virgins until they marry and only do it missionary position is not only ridiculous, but boring. It would completely flatten an entire element of the world these characters live in. I don't see the problem with having LGBT people, and their associated struggles, being represented in games. It's no different than portraying the struggles that straight people deal with in their in their personal relationships. The real world is a messy, ill-defined place with all sorts of **** going on, and a game world that is trying to represent a real place should be no different.

[Fidite Nemini]

FYI, I'm straight. And I will totally play my dwarven rogue to drag Dorian into the bed for that ass. Seriously, dat azz!

 

Why? Because I bloody can! And I thank BioWare wholeheartedly for the opportunity to disconnect myself from my own sexuality and just enjoy some fine Tevinter valleys. Because straight white males can enjoy it too, if only on a non-sexual level.

[daveliam]

please don't lump us all in with OP

 

Fair and valid point. 

 

This is fan feedback. The whole point is to share your opinion about the game. Nobody is talking about censorship.

The truth is that political correctness has hurt the quality of this game in many aspects. This agenda has given us ugly/masculine females and lackluster plot and banter. The OP mentioned the one side-plot, but it is much deeper than that.

 

Uh......what?  Let's assume that there is even an ounce of truth in your statement.  Why in the world would the "gay agenda" be responsible for "ugly/masculine females" and "lackluster plot and banter"?  How does that even make any sense what-so-ever?  Are you confusing the "gay agenda" with "feminism"?  I think you might have gotten your talking points mixed up. 

 

You know? Never mind.  Just know that Bioware strongly disagrees with you, so your feedback has been noted numerous times in the past and dismissed every time. 

[SkyKing]

I have 0 issue with having LGBT people in this game or having LGBT romances in the game for the simple reason that there are gaymers out there and this content makes them happy.  It's also just realistic because people like this exist in real life.  There's no reason they shouldn't exist in Thedas.

 

The place I don't like it is when and if the focus changes from including gay people to becoming preachy on issues of gay rights.  I don't play roleplaying games for this.  I get plenty of this from the news, thanks.  I don't need to be educated about it in games too.

 

But I feel this way about *any* kind of preachiness in RPGs about any moral issue with RL contemporary tie-ins.  I just don't want to feel like I'm playing an interactive version of a parable or Aesop's fables. 

 

Thus far, the games have mostly avoided this, but DAI strays closer in this particular issue than the others have.  DA2 takes the prize for overall preachiness though.  It was literally just an interactive study of the "security vs. freedom" conundrum the world has been going through since 9/11.

 

Exactly how I feel.  In case I didn't word things well or somebody is unsure what I was saying,  I like how he described it.  

[Lunatic Lace]

And I believe if things go as they are, soon, straight people would have to try and protect their rights to date a girls...
 

......

Wow. Thank you for bringing this 100% feasible point to everyone's attention. O_o

[mutantspicy]

  "Anybody who doesn't like these issues being forced on them on the tv shows, movies, video games, and personal parts of their life when they want entertainment only and no political/social issues thrown at them everywhere they turn is ignorant, homophobic, hater!" 

 

 

No one held a gun to your head and forced you to buy this game.  bioware has a history injecting a variety of sexual topics into their games, for many orientations.   If you honestly thought their wouldn't be any homesexual topics in this game.  Well then you are ignorant, by definition.  its to be expected at this point.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Your response PERFECTLY demonstrates my point and part of the agenda.    "ANYONE who has ANY kind of problem is CLEARLY ignorant, selfish,close minded". So aside from at the voters polls supporting equal rights, if you don't also embrace the parades, gay pride, all the tv shows and video games getting filled with LGBT issues, boycott chick filet or you're a bigot because the owner said in a church magazine he supports traditional/church marriage, and as your post demonstrates,  "Anybody who doesn't like these issues being forced on them on the tv shows, movies, video games, and personal parts of their life when they want entertainment only and no political/social issues thrown at them everywhere they turn is ignorant, homophobic, hater!" 
 
So thank you for making my point!

Yeah, cos somebody who wants all traces of LGBT representation removed & seen as a "agenda" is clearly open minded...

[SkyKing]

Not what YOU want? Well, then sell back your game, leave the forum and nobody will miss you. Clearly you have some sort of issue against this group of people. Won't win you any friends should you ever be foolish enough to say it in public around people that aren't close-minded redneck homophobes. But here? There's a good chance you'll come across as the close-minded individual you are. God forbid someone bring up an issue that you don't like because clearly the whole world evolves around you. Guess you never progressed past that developmental stage where you start considering the world outside yourself. Usually it's teenage years. How old are you exactly?

 

HERE AGAIN,  the LGBT AGENDA,  it's not enough to support equal rights, but if you don't EMBRACE them shoving their issues in all aspects of your life, then they want you to be labeled "close-minded redneck homophobes".   

[Jester]

This bear never fails to crack me up.

 

Also, Dorian's personal quest is not about him being gay, it's about him not accepting Tevinter norms and lifestyle.

There's plenty of straight flirting.

Cassandra romance shows her fully naked from waist up... hardly a "nip slip".

 

So I completely disagree. 

 

Oh, and just to be clear, by some more radical LGBT movements I might even be called a homophobe due to my personal opinions - so I'm hardly biased when it comes to calling bullshit on OP's claims.

[SkyKing]

Yeah, cos somebody who wants all traces of LGBT representation removed & seen as a "agenda" is clearly open minded...

 

If you consider all traces of LGBT being the preaching message and issues then yes, but I clearly said it's fine having gay characters, etc.  

[Steelcan]

HERE AGAIN,  the LGBT AGENDA,  it's not enough to support equal rights, but if you don't EMBRACE them shoving their issues in all aspects of your life, then they want you to be labeled "close-minded redneck homophobes".   

There is a difference between "hey gay people exist and should have their fair shake at representation" and "DOWN WITH STRAIGHT WHITE MEN"