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[jheise4321]

I thought The Gay Agenda was to seduce and violate all those tight little hetero holes in the young people? Isn't that why republicans walk around with gloves of garlic stuck in their rectums, to keep away the gay and vampires at the same time?

Wtf does republican have anything to do with it? I'm republican and I have gay friends and have no problem with anything they do. I thought msnbc and your lib bible teach you not to generalize?

[Captain Wiseass]

What ? 

 

So peoples who adopt kids are what...?

 

And peoples who can't have kids...are what ? 

I'd like to know, since my parents fit both those categories. I'd hate to think they were shoving some kind of alternative agenda down my throat all these years.

[KonguZya]

I'm a straight guy. Here's my two cents...

 

Going in to the game, I expected to hate Dorian. But he became my favorite companion. I think his personal quest was really done well, as was his character as a whole. He barely even brings up his sexuality, and it really only comes to the forefront when he meets with his father.

 

Krem, on the other hand... Well, I have absolutely no problem with Bioware putting trans characters in their games (especially since it's only been 1 per game, so it's nowhere near over the top), and I thought his character was handled pretty well too. I actually thought he was just young and had a high-pitched voice until that "Are you a woman" dialogue option came up. The problem I saw was that Bull says the Qun was totally accepting of trans people, even when we know that the Qun is sexist and has very defined gender roles. People have tried justifying this various ways, and I guess their dancing around the lore will have to do. 

 

Another issue here is romance options. Bioware wants to give everybody options, regardless of their persuasion. If you don't want to romance a gay character, then don't romance a gay character. On this note, I do think there should be more options for everyone, because only 2 is rather limited.

 

So, I think there should definitely be bigoted cultures in Thedas, just like real life, and Bioware shouldn't retcon their own lore so that they can insert a political agenda (even though it's an agenda that I agree with).

[WildOrchid]

What ? 

 

So peoples who adopt kids are what...?

 

And peoples who can't have kids...are what ? 

 

Lmao you beat me to it. I was actually writing this.

 

Apparently they aren't "normal". Or ppl who don't want to have children too.

 

 

This logic...... It burns.

[Fidite Nemini]

The purpose can be whatever they desire, but it's not to have children.

 

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

 

Oh my, this thread is delivering, It's delivering bigtime. Keep it coming, I haven't laughed like this in weeks!

[Camenae]

I do not agree with the OP, but OP is allowed to have an opinion.  Is there an agenda? Yes.  According to Bioware itself, there is an agenda.  Is there too much of it?  I don't think so but I can see how some might think so.  The same way I might hate the side quests but others find the storytelling through reading Codex entries/listening to Random Orlesian Citizen #5's ambient conversation to be ingenious.

 

OP's perception of the agenda and how it's presented in-game was obviously different from mine.  And yes I can see how he did perceive things the way he did.  Note, I can see how he arrived at his perception WITHOUT agreeing with his perception.   

 

Nothing is being shoved down our throat (the way I perceive it), but people are definitely JUMPING down OP's throat.  Unwarranted, in my opinion.  He is not spewing thoughtless hate.  He is only saying there are aspects he did not like about the game.  

[Endurium]

Fiction is written by humans of Earth, and therefore will express the writers' views, preferences, etc. to varying degrees.

 

When it comes to Bioware's games, I research the romance options to determine who is aligned with my preferences, and who isn't. Fortunately, when it comes to DA:I, I rather like Cassandra as a character, and agree with her viewpoints on matters pertaining to the game world. For my characters, she's also one of only two options when it comes to deeper relationships. That's only one fewer than were available in Baldur's Gate 2, and that's fine with me so long as at least one of the options is someone I can agree with on most things.

[kish]

jesus christ on a bike. Games that honestly give a somewhat equal options for lgbt people are most likely less than 1% of all games. If someone is uncomfortable with how Bioware chooses to make their games, they have plenty of other options to choose from. LIKE A LOT if you haven't noticed.

 

I find it funny that every time someone brings forward the problem of bad/non-existent lgbt and/or female representation in games, they're told to make their own game. Guess what? Bioware has, and they have every right to keep making those games.

 

Go make your own game where non-straight people don't exist. It's your prerogative and you should use it since you feel so threatened by a couple of story missions.

[Abraham_uk]

I genuinely feel sorry for the amount of bigotry that LGBT's have to put up with.

It isn't right. It isn't just. It is flat out wrong.

The fact that I know people who cannot accept LGBT's is something that bothers me.

 

However we've come a long way.

People have achieved tolerance, however tolerance is merely the first stepping stone on the path to acceptance.

Most of us are pretty good when it comes to tolerance but terrible when it comes to acceptance.

 

Why? Because acceptance is about removing all pre conceived notions from one's heads and judging everyone as people.

Acceptance is about basing our judgements of people based on their actual merit in terms of who they are as people.

Come to think about it, true acceptance is such a high and lofty goal that it few people have ever achieved it.

 

Are you 100% free of prejudice? I doubt it. I know I'm not. But I try. I try my best to be honourable and respectful towards everyone.

I try to judge people on their merits and go out my way to see good in everyone.

 

What really bothers me is that people don't try to reach acceptance and think that mere tolerance is good enough.

As for those who haven't even reached tolerance, they are horrible people who need to rethink their lives.

[SkyKing]

I think it would have been nice if the game could figure out early on if you are into one thing or another and close those options off completely by determining how you are. If I don't choose to flirt with Dorian after the first 3 times it pops up, it shouldn't keep showing up later. It seemed like every time it popped up it was daring me to click it, lol. Even though I am not into that kind of thing, I do like his character a lot. His intro at the Haven battle was great.

 

Yup and I'm sure if you pick only one of those times it would have worked.  Now with Cassandra, I tried to romance her on a certain play through while NOT supporting the chantry.  I flirted the very few times the chance came up but because I didn't do the flirt on her being the new divine, it was closed and that's that. Wasn't interested in the only other option which was grannie bun josephine w/ the hook nose who you don't even hit 2nd base with.  

[Ashevajak]

 Animals can be hetero and/or homosexual or even bisexual. Someone got the links?

 

http://en.wikipedia....vior_in_animals

 

Though I would also add, even if it were not "natural", that doesn't make it wrong.  Organ transplants aren't natural either, ya know?

[Abraham_uk]

[Vagrant91684]

I agree completely with the OP.  Regardless of whether somebody is LGBT in real life, it does not feel natural in this game.  It doesn't work.  I don't understand the obsession with trying to create a new normal when it only takes away from the immersion.

[AlexiaRevan]

I agree completely with the OP.  Regardless of whether somebody is LGBT in real life, it does not feel natural in this game.  It doesn't work.  I don't understand the obsession with trying to create a new normal when it only takes away from the immersion.

So we shouldnt have content that speak to us ? 

 

We should just have...NOrMAL content that speak to you...and we stay there on the side , bystander . 

 

right.....

[WildOrchid]

The maker is testing me..

[Merlik]

It does seem like they went out of their way to put all that in there, it could have been more natural. We didn't really need to have a conversation about the subject. I wish they would have played it more like Game of Thrones. The Viper just did what he did and didn't give a **** what people thought. And no one ever had to play it out like an after school special.

[Farangbaa]

There will never be enough gay people for it to ever be a problem for our existence. Bringing sex and it's supposed sole purpose of reproducing to combat the 'gay agenda', or whatever it is you guys are doing, is just fear of... something. I dunno what, probably how you feel deep down inside.

 

As to the purpose of human sex; it goes far beyond reproduction. It is remarkably inefficient; in newly wed virgins, from which you can safely assume they have sex multiple times a week, only about 33% of the couples succeed at getting pregnant in the first month. It can take hundreds of times of having sex to reproduce succesfully. Equate this to most animals, where once is enough, and our sex is just ridiculously inefficient. It serves a far bigger purpose as a means of bonding two people together.

 

And gay sex is no different in that.

[RINNZ]

Jesus, OP. I don't automatically hate you for posting this, because everyone has a right to ask and feel what they want, but you just shot yourself in the foot with this. I'm surprised a mod hasn't come in and locked it yet.

[Thibax]

I agree completely with the OP.  Regardless of whether somebody is LGBT in real life, it does not feel natural in this game.  It doesn't work.  I don't understand the obsession with trying to create a new normal when it only takes away from the immersion.

 

 

Tell us how a gay character tales away from the immersion.

Dragon Age games is about straight romances? Is straight romances the core of the story?

[kish]

I agree completely with the OP.  Regardless of whether somebody is LGBT in real life, it does not feel natural in this game.  It doesn't work.  I don't understand the obsession with trying to create a new normal when it only takes away from the immersion.

Feels natural to me. Shall we fight to the death with totally subjective opinions to see which one is slightly more right?

[Fidite Nemini]

Okay, for the clearly ignorant and dense, let me explain this to you. Both of these relationships are part of nature. Animals can be hetero and/or homosexual or even bisexual. Someone got the links? I don't have time for to post them. But really, they are both evident in the world in animals and people. It just happens that one of them is more common that then other. Therefore, both are self-evident. The fact that you were born straight makes that self evident to you. If you were born gay that would be self evident to you as well. Self evident in your case is defined by your limited experience which is pretty much what makes a person close minded. Thank you very much for offering 100% proof that you are BTW. Because to suggest that because something is not part of your experience and self evident to you is wrong or a problem, that right there is about as close minded as it gets. Only what you know and never expanding beyond that into a world where what you don't know exists, where it can be right and can be considered normal and part of the world equally deserving of whatever rights you believe you should be afforded for being who you are... yeah you are about as close minded as it gets. Thanks again for clearing just in case there was any doubt.

 

To someone who is homosexual, their homosexuality is self evident to them. That you failed to consider this shows your complete lack of ability to see the world beyond your own limited understanding of it.

 

Requested link. People are welcome to look through the references for more in-depth reading.

 

D'uh, ninja'd:

 

http://en.wikipedia....vior_in_animals

 

Though I would also add, even if it were not "natural", that doesn't make it wrong.  Organ transplants aren't natural either, ya know?

 

 

Have a video then:

 

[massive_effect]

Okay, for the clearly ignorant and dense, let me explain this to you. Both of these relationships are part of nature. Animals can be hetero and/or homosexual or even bisexual.

Humans are not animals. Just ask The Elephant Man.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Is also funny about so many "LGBT getting forced down my throat" complaints considering there's only 1 mandatory non straight character (Josephine) who never once mentions her attraction towards women & whose F/F romance plays out as a M/F relationship with the gender pronouns changed

[Hazegurl]

Straight relationships are self-evident since that is how you and I were born. To advocate LGBT is push an alternative lifestyle that has a whole other purpose. So, the answer to your question is, yes.

So Dorian made you gay?

 

Well he does have that effect.