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[ruggly]

Animals don't have an intellect or will.

 

 

[Fidite Nemini]

dear gods,

 

why must you test me such

 

They aren't testing you. They blessed you with divine comedy.

[Farangbaa]

Well I didn't mention anything about the Bible but since you ask, yes.  Food that was considered "unclean" under Old Testament law has been considered "clean" since Peter's vision from God recorded in Acts 10.

 

No. Jesus explicitly says, in the Holy Bible, that He's not here to erase the Old Laws.

 

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”  (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

 

Basically, you'll go to hell, according to Jesus.

[Camenae]

He made a good point.  Has anybody watched Downton Abbey?  I like the show a lot, and I'm fine w/ the Thomas character.  However, the show takes place in the early 1900's.  There were gay people then but a whole episode went against the time period.  It was about how if the law found out about Thomas he would be arrested. That is true, but then the the episode turned into a preachy times have changed and people don't judge anymore and nobody at downton abbey cared Thomas was gay. Sorry but in the early 1900's, he would of been kicked out and there would have been haters in there.  They inserted the modern movement and it was completely out of place in that show. That's an example of 'having it shoved down our throats'.  Him being gay didn't take away or wasn't unrealistic, but then the whole preachy message was completely out of place for that time and era and felt like an LGBT preach session.  

 

I agree with this although I think it's more OK for DA:I to do this than Downton Abbey.  Downton Abbey is a period piece meant to be realistically reflect the era.  DA:I is, needless to say, in a fantasy world and era that can be shaped however the devs want.  DA:I is not constrained by, say, Stephen Spielberg insisting that the wooden planks on the Atlantic City boardwalk set being the correct dimensions and there be the correct number of them.  

 

P.S. - And I find it laughable when producers want that level of historic accuracy and then go in and insert a preach session into the same show like the kind you described.  Just...don't have it all, because I don't need to see historically-accurate depiction of bigotry and hate either.

[Never]

No.

[TheJester000]

Who are you to judge if they are done right? Are you gay?

 

No, but I have gay friends and they absolutely hated Dorian's quest, and dislike a lot of the homosexual moments in the game. They describe as "It feels like they have straight males writing these characters and romances and that's why it feels so far off from what it should." That why it all feels so stereotyped. 

[Abraham_uk]

Has anyone heard of the Hozier song "Take Me To Church"?

[SSV Enterprise]

I cannot like your post because I don't agree with the "homosexual acts are sinful" part.  The second paragraph of your post, I agree with.  Kinda rolled my eyes at the school-house-rock moments in the dialogue around Krem in particular.  

 

As someone who--and I know I'm not alone in this--just automatically pick all the Investigative options to experience the most out of the wonderful writing in Bioware games, I felt like I was ambushed in saying daft things that are very hamfisted ways of setting me up for a lecture.  It was like OK I get it gee whiz, excuuuuuuse me for not knowing what an "Aqunathalak" (spelling??) was, I'm a sheltered Free Marches noble trapped in a circle tower all my life, don't have a PHD in (PC-ified) Qunari culture studies.

 

I made a post elsewhere about being surprised by the Dorian conversation option of "What do you mean you enjoy the company of men?"  Really?  Would you really not know?  It's just...idk, OBVIOUSLY meant to be a "teaching moment."  I would've preferred it to be more artful and subtle, not because "omg it's being shoved down my throat," but just from a "I like to see better writing than that" perspective.

 

Yeah, I can agree with you about the whole thing with Qunari culture.  The weird thing is, is still leaves them as a sexist society -- you still can't be considered a woman and pursue a profession like being a soldier.  It's now the realm of men and trans men, not women (and trans women, if that's a thing for the Qunari).

[ruggly]

Has anyone heard of the Kozier song "Take Me To Church"?

 

I'd like to not hear that song ever again.

[juliet_capulet]

Is heterosexuality shoved down your throat as well? Good grief.

[SSV Enterprise]

No. Jesus explicitly says, in the Holy Bible, that He's not here to erase the Old Laws.

 

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”  (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

 

Basically, you'll go to hell, according to Jesus.

 

Technically speaking, he didn't erase the old laws.  You still can't eat unclean food -- it's just that, by Acts 10, God himself makes it so that food is not unclean anymore.  Changing how the food is considered under the law, not the law itself.

[BiscuitieKai]

well lets face it some people

-dont like homosexuality stuffs or

-they dont like it but have enough tolerance to ignore them(thats me) or

-accepts homosexuality stuffs  or

-accepts homosexuality stuffs but arent tolerant with their company

Diverse people with different taste and with different set of definition of morality let just respect one another not a hetero,homosexu als but as a human being

[kish]

Question: Did anyone who is actively calling homosexual romances "unnatural" play a non-human and romance a human character? Or a human and romance a non-human?

Exactly. I'd imagine cross-species romance is slightly more unnatural than homosexual relationships within the same species. But for some reason I haven't seen a single post whining about female qunari being able to romance male humans. How odd.

[WildOrchid]

Basically, you'll go to hell, according to Jesus.

 

Rude, Jesus. Rude. That's how you love your children?

 

Ah jesus. You need... yourself.

[Farangbaa]

Technically speaking, he didn't erase the old laws.  You still can't eat unclean food -- it's just that, by Acts 10, God himself makes it so that food is not unclean anymore.  Changing how the food is considered under the law, not the law itself.

 

You've made my day.

 

Christianity is fabulous.

[Ashen Nedra]

And...we are done here?

[Abraham_uk]

I'd like to not hear that song ever again.

 

Oh well. Each to their own. 

[Steelcan]

I'm most concerned that the Qun which gives not a single sh*t about the individual's preference, is all of a sudden willing to accommodate an aspect of individual's identity.  Its concerning that they play so loose with the lore

[Fidite Nemini]

And...we are done here?

 

 

No. No no no! Do not let this end.

 

DDoS the mods if need be, but I want this to continue. I am not yet done laughing!

[ruggly]

Oh well. Each to their own. 

 

It's not that it's a bad song, it's just sooooooo overplayed.

[Farangbaa]

No, but I have gay friends and they absolutely hated Dorian's quest, and dislike a lot of the homosexual moments in the game. They describe as "It feels like they have straight males writing these characters and romances and that's why it feels so far off from what it should." That why it all feels so stereotyped. 

 

And what about all those gay people that loved it all? Are they 'wrong' and you're fighting for your gay friends?

[Captain Wiseass]

Animals don't have an intellect or will.

Oooh, that's getting into thorny territory, that one. According to some philosophies, neither do we.

 

But regardless, humans are, zoologically speaking, animals. We may be unique as animals with intellect and will, but animals we are, nonetheless.

[Kantr]

What LGBT agenda? Dorian's father tried to change his very nature by blood magic.

 

I smell an anti-lgbt agenda from the op

[Captain Wiseass]

Technically speaking, he didn't erase the old laws.  You still can't eat unclean food -- it's just that, by Acts 10, God himself makes it so that food is not unclean anymore.  Changing how the food is considered under the law, not the law itself.

Yeah, Peter's vision there isn't just talking about food. As is highlighted by the fact that the very next thing that happens is that people come to his house who, under the old law, would be considered "unclean". But Peter recognizes that God is telling him, with this vision and these visitors, that no one is unclean. All are welcome.