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[helpthisguyplease]

Its at its worst since the fourth blight where the nations where worse then now. But as I said why the Qunary do not invade I mean a better opportunity as this is hard to find.

[Willowhugger]

The Qunari are interested in taking over Thedas the same way the Chantry is interested in converting the entire world to Andrastrianism.

 

Think on that.

[Minooshka]

Is there a need? The Qun just 'does'. I don't think it has a motivation to conquer necessarilly. Its safekeeping and spreading order. But I think the Qunari (Those that follow it) don't necessarilly care if it takes years, decades or centuries to achieve.

[Willowhugger]

On a more serious note, the Qunari aren't what Sister Petrice said they were.

 

They're not mad dog, "convert everyone or die" types.

 

Invading Thedas is like an Exalted March.

Yes, they do them, but it's not something they do LIGHTLY.

 

For those who want a more pragmatic answer: The Qunari don't invade because Corypheus makes them nervous and when he's defeated, the Inquisition has resolved most of the problems.

[choebit]

Because they can't afford to fight another enemy?

They are already in war with tevinter, and it would be bad to attack a land full of crazily powerful people.

[Willowhugger]

Because they can't afford to fight another enemy?

They are already in war with tevinter, and it would be bad to attack a land full of crazily powerful people.

Seheron is basically Thedas' version of Iraq.

 

Iron Bull even lampshades it.

 

The Qunari aren't really in "full-scale War" mode with Seheron or Tevinter.

 

It's a proxy war between them.

[Gaesesagai]

Actually I'm thinking a "Qunari Invasion" large dlc would be awesome. Hoping also that we get a chance to steam roll over them and leave the qun in shambles. Maybe they just go away after that with their demented society.

[Willowhugger]

Actually I'm thinking a "Qunari Invasion" large dlc would be awesome. Hoping also that we get a chance to steam roll over them and leave the qun in shambles. Maybe they just go away after that with their demented society.

I think it's increasingly clear that the Qunari are never actually going to invade-invade.

They're not being set up to be bad guys.

Anymore than the Templars were.

They're meant to be just a culture with a lot of differences, both good and bad.

[Starwingz]

Qunari can't even finish off Tevinter. Why would they want to antagonize rest of the world in the meantime?

[Willowhugger]

Qunari can't even finish off Tevinter. Why would they want to antagonize rest of the world in the meantime?

I tend to believe Sten when he says they're not actually at war with Tevinter.

[TobiTobsen]

Remember the Arvaarad from DAII? The guy flipped out when you told him that you merely spoke with the Saarebas, deeming you potentially corrupted and in dire need of the sharp side of his blade.

 

I think the giant Rift in the sky, spitting out demons and potentially crazy magic would be a good reason for the Qunari to stay the heck away from the mainland. After all you can't convert people if you have to kill them for being corrupted.

[SardaukarElite]

Because they'd have to go through Tevinter, by the time they got to Orlais it would probably have gotten over itself, and by the time they got through Orlais all that would be left is a demon infested warzone. I don't think spreading the Qun includes converting abominations.

 

 

I think it's increasingly clear that the Qunari are never actually going to invade-invade.

 

Well despite the world including fascist Romans, Communists, and The French, they've chosen monsters, insane people turning into monsters, and monsters for villains so far. So I'm inclined to agree. It would be interesting though.

[Willowhugger]

Well despite the world including fascist Romans, Communists, and The French, they've chosen monsters, insane people turning into monsters, and monsters for villains so far. So I'm inclined to agree. It would be interesting though.

 

Oh, Leliana, why must you tempt me to the dark side!

You and your sexy sexy evil espionage.

*pause*

Ahem.

Yeah, I think the Qunari will never be the bad guys because they're meant to represent "The Other" to Dragon Age, which has a persistent theme of understanding other cultures even when they're flawed.

 

If Tevinter is getting a white-wash then the Qunari will probably never do more invasion than we saw in Kirkwall.

[helpthisguyplease]

Oh, Leliana, why must you tempt me to the dark side!

You and your sexy sexy evil espionage.

*pause*

Ahem.

Yeah, I think the Qunari will never be the bad guys because they're meant to represent "The Other" to Dragon Age, which has a persistent theme of understanding other cultures even when they're flawed.

 

If Tevinter is getting a white-wash then the Qunari will probably never do more invasion than we saw in Kirkwall.

If the Qunary are the equivalent of the Ottoman turks the only reason they can not take the whole continent is because of Logistics but that could change.

[Patchwork]

I'm starting to think that 'We'll invade and convert them ALL one day' is qunari posturing they don't really have the resources to do it and it would be more hassle than it's worth. 

[Willowhugger]

I'm starting to think that 'We'll invade and convert them ALL one day' is qunari posturing they don't really have the resources to do it and it would be more hassle than it's worth. 

 

I thought that was always obvious.

 

They could make a good go of it but they don't have the strategic resources necessary.

[Patchwork]

I thought that was always obvious.

 

They could make a good go of it but they don't have the strategic resources necessary.

 

But I always thought they were slowly building up with the vague idea of needed the extra military assets  for that someday invasion but now I doubt they're even doing that. Tevinter is their punching bag and they don't really have plans to go beyond that. 

 

Of course all it would take is one ambitious leader and the rest of Thedas is screwed.  

[Willowhugger]

But I always thought they were slowly building up with the vague idea of needed the extra military assets  for that someday invasion but now I doubt they're even doing that. Tevinter is their punching bag and they don't really have plans to go beyond that. 

 

Of course all it would take is one ambitious leader and the rest of Thedas is screwed.  

I think we get a broad sense of their plan with Tallis.

Which is scary but also subtle.

The Qunari are making a secret network of converts across the land and building up alliances across the land.

No, they can't beat Thedas in a straight war.

They might, however, just convince people the Qunari aren't all that bad so they won't have the entire continent rally against them. Jacob and his son tried to do the same and it had a nasty effect on the British psyche with the word "Jacobite" being thrown around constantly.

[LOLandStuff]

Because it has demons everywhere. What good is Thedas if it's infested with demons.

[Willowhugger]

Because it has demons everywhere. What good is Thedas if it's infested with demons.

 

I wonder if the Qunari aren't invading because Thedas is filled with Darkspawn and Thin Veiled locations.

Would explain A LOT.

"Screw that place."

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

I tend to believe Sten when he says they're not actually at war with Tevinter.

IB says it too. Seems more a nuisance than a war.

Dorian and Fenris both seem to believe the Qunari would just steamroll through Tevinter if they really wanted to.

[Former_Fiend]

It's entirely possible that the qunari have resigned themselves to the idea that while they probably could conquer much of if not the whole of mainland Thedas, they could never hold it.

 

Bull does note that the qunari are considering launching a full scale invasion of the south over the course of the game, but he does claim it isn't in the interest of conquest, rather it's in opposition to the Venatori and Red Templars. Given how incompetently everyone in the south except the Inquisition handles those threads, the qunari being nervous about them is hardly uncalled for.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think the qunari are also aware to some extent that the Inquisition is better equipped to deal with the Breach and rifts than they are.  What do you need to seal the Breach?  Mages or templars.  Trained mages, not the hedge magic of the saarebas, and warriors trained specifically in anti-magic techniques.  There's a distinct shortage of both under the Qun.  Even the arvaraad seem to rely more on that weird control rod and collar to control their mages rather than templar techniques.

[Sifr]

Remember the Arvaarad from DAII? The guy flipped out when you told him that you merely spoke with the Saarebas, deeming you potentially corrupted and in dire need of the sharp side of his blade.

 

I think the giant Rift in the sky, spitting out demons and potentially crazy magic would be a good reason for the Qunari to stay the heck away from the mainland. After all you can't convert people if you have to kill them for being corrupted.

 

Yeah, but keep in mind that Arvaarad is essentially the Qunari version of a Templar and in his case, he happened to be particularly militant in both his dislike of mages and those outside the Qun. How does that make him any different from some of more corrupt or overzealous Templars we've seen in the series, like Alrik or Varnell?

 

For all we know there are Arvaarad who are far more tolerant and modern in their treatment of Saarebas, but who aren't afraid of doing their job when it needs to be done, making them the Qunari equivalent of Templars like Cullen, Greagoir or Evangeline.

 

(And personally, I bet that those Arvaarad's reaction to their colleague's death was "Thank goodness, that guy was a complete tool...")

 

As for why they haven't invaded... I think it's simply that the Qunari can't be bothered. Invading Thedas is not going to benefit them and instead would force them to devote time and resources to a protracted war few of them want, which will yield very little positive results.

 

While Bull mentions that some back home want to invade to sort out the mess, this is no doubt bluster from their equivalent of the extreme Right Wing, who probably call for war anytime anyone in Thedas does so much as sneeze in their direction.

[SgtSteel91]

Well Iron Bull says that a theoretical invasion would be very bloody and devastating to both sides and one of the main motivators for the Qunari stopping their first invasion was the casualties in Rivani with converts being slaughtered in the Exalted Marches.