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[Former_Fiend]

It's an oversight, I myself did not like the twist; more so because I saw it coming.

Spoiler

In the rookery, you find out were Blackwall was during the fifth blight (it is a codex entry) and what he was doing. When you ask 'our Blackwall' what he did, he says that he was alone in Ferelden killing Darkspawn.  Contradicting what you find in the codex, which has a speech from Warden Blackwall explaining why they could not go to Ferelden to help fight the blight.

 

Even prior to the game's release, that entry was included in the World of Thedas book.

[Andres Hendrix]

Even prior to the game's release, that entry was included in the World of Thedas book.

I'm not sure why they let you find it before the twist, it's even worse that you cannot actually bring it up. It’s just like one of those video gamy things.

[frylock23]

As for the sensing of Darkspawn and not calling Blackwall on it, if all the Wardens are hearing the calling that's probably really distracting if it's driving most of them to do more or less insane things in an effort to stop it. Most sane people would catch on to the whole demon summoning/mind control stuff I think, but that's how overpowering Corypheus's false calling apparently is. Otherwise, the Wardens are all idiots. So if Stroud/Alistair/Loghain aren't as fine-tuned in their Warden-sense as they would otherwise be, it's not so surprising. They're doing good to not be in the pit of crazy with the rest of the Order at that point.

 

Of course, I am wondering why King Alistair doesn't appear to be affected like the other Wardens ... but that's another hole in the story.

 

Now, as to the other things, those do make me wonder, but I have to ask myself if I was putting two and two together the very first time I played or not. And I honestly can't remember.

[TeraBat]

Keep in mind that Anders was a mage who also had a spirit bouncing around inside him at the time of the Deep Roads. And we love Alistair, but he's still Alistair and Morrigan isn't wrong about him not being the sharpest tool in the shed. 

 

So it's entirely possible that Anders has a greater spiritual sensitivity to what's going on around him; even moreso because, as a mage who is continually escaping from Circle Towers and on the run from folks, he's trained himself to be far more aware of his surroundings and to have a good sense for where people are and what they're doing. 

[Carmen_Willow]

The lore is very clear on this. Wardens can sense the taint, in each other, in darkspawn, in archdemons, and the older you get, the more you sense it, the more clearly you feel it because you are slowly becoming a tainted ghoul. In my view that line of dialogue is a serious brain fart on the part of the writers.

 

In DA:II Nathaniel uses his warden sense to locate where Carver might be.  Anders also makes it clear that he's using his warden sense to track down Stroud's party.  Even if he knew the general area of a patrol, he wouldn't know the exact location at any given moment..   In David's book  THE CALLING, Genevieve uses the sense to track down her brother.

 

Alistair wouldn't be able to tell if he was sensing a darkspawn or a Warden without seeing Blackwall, but he would certainly notice its absence in the man. Given the fact that Alistair seems okay on a cognitive level in the rest of his dialogue, lyrium induced brain mush, seems unlikely.

 

I think this is one of those gaffs that writers make that will have to be explained away with complicated and unrealistic explanations.

[Dano82nd]

Or it could be that, in order to sense the taint in another, one would have to concentrate and the more experienced one is, the easier it would become to sense the taint. And when you have a large number of entities with the taint gathered together (darkspawn during a blight), sensing the taint would be significantly easier for all Grey Wardens.

[MuhidinSaid]

Wardens can definitely sense the taint, but they can't distinguish between the darkspawn and wardens. The darkspawn can't either, during the first appearance of the grey wardens in the first blight, the codex entry says the darkspawn were disoriented and confused because they were unable to distinguish the newly arrived wardens from their own.

 

Also, a warden in dragon age last flight uses his power to sense if there's any presence of darkspawn taint in a certain something. almost akin to how one would use a x-ray scanner. It seems odd that Avernus is really the only warden who's really focused on developing his taint derived abilities. I can't imagine some experienced wardens wouldn't be able to filter out darkspawn from grey wardens.

[TEWR]

It invloves Blackwall, just as an FYI.  I'll put this under a spoiler cut just in case.  And I should say it's nothing against the characters themselves, I just found it odd.

 

Spoiler

When you take Blackwall with you to find Hawke's friend  (in this case it was Alistair) he says "you have a grey warden with you" and then mentions Duncan and whatnot.

 

Shouldn't he as a Grey Warden be able to tell that Blackwall doesn't have the taint, since they can feel it and all that (like whne Anders tracked them by feeling them)?

 

Just needed to get that out there.  Thank you.

 

The only one who says that is Alistair, far as I've seen (the Loghain video with Blackwall in the party didn't have that comment. Does Stroud?). I think it's more because BW wears armor with the image of the Wardens, usually.

 

Unless you put him in something else.

 

Are you sure Anders and Duncan sensed the taint in Bethany/Carver/Dalish Warden and didn't just recognize the symptoms of being blight-sickened?

 

I was also under the impression that Anders didn't sense Stroud and his companions so much as he simply knew what route they were taking and heard movement when they approached.

 

Thing to remember is that Anders and Duncan sense the taint in sickened people, but Wardens aren't just Blight-sickened people. That's part of it, but there's more to it then that because of the nature of the Joining.

 

Also Anders had maps showing where Stroud and his group were going to go. And though he initially thought Stroud might've been ahead of him, he ends up saying "Nope... more Darkspawn. ****" instead.

 

The Calling novel also had it so that the only Warden who had a higher awareness in regards to the Taint was Kell ap Morgan, and it was noted that it was more an Avvar thing then a Warden thing.

[TEWR]

Whats weirder is when you take Blackwall to Adamant Fotress and can get Blackwall to talk to the Wardens there

Those Wardens would know who Blackwall was, He was the second in command of the Orlais chapter of the Grey Wardens

 

Spoiler

For all we know Blackwall was a convincing doppelganger of him.

 

Also Blackwall -- the real one -- might've become a regular recruiter in the last ten years and someone else took his place. Most of the Wardens after Adamant weren't very high in the chain of command. Seemed to be green as grass. Probably never actually met Blackwall.

 

Hell, the entire reason Rainier grew a beard was to hide who he was. Something tells me taking Blackwall's name wouldn't work if the real one didn't have a magnificent muzzle of his own.

[errantknight]

Yeah, Alistair starts taking it again in "The Sleep" comics.

 

It's possible he's just flat out forgotten what a Grey Warden feels like too.

Hmm... I read those and I don't remember anything about Lyrium. He never took it in Origins or before and didn't want to. What made him start?

[Above Good and Evil]

Maybe the calling makes it impossible to sense? Every time we see a Warden 'sensing' a Darkspawn it always manifests as some kind of demonic whispering in their ear. Alistair described the fake Calling as a constant whispering in his ear that he could barely ignore. Even if Blackwall wasn't a real Gray Warden, they wouldn't be able to tell: At this point they're ALWAYS hearing the whispers so even if Rainier was a real Warden and they could sense him the fake Calling would likely overpower the senses in favor of its wail. 

[Notshauna]

Maybe the calling makes it impossible to sense? Every time we see a Warden 'sensing' a Darkspawn it always manifests as some kind of demonic whispering in their ear. Alistair described the fake Calling as a constant whispering in his ear that he could barely ignore. Even if Blackwall wasn't a real Gray Warden, they wouldn't be able to tell: At this point they're ALWAYS hearing the whispers so even if Rainier was a real Warden and they could sense him the fake Calling would likely overpower the senses in favor of its wail. 

I don't think that's really that likely, during the Calling Wardens aren't really different than ghouls they hear the call of the Old Gods but can still detect other Darkspawn. Honestly they probably didn't really think anything of it, as they weren't really focusing on Blackwall's Taint (or lack there of in this case) but, instead were trying to block out the call of the taint from the false Calling.

 

Regardless this isn't necessarily a plot hole, merely in service of the plot. I don't know why no one noticed Blackwall isn't actually a Grey Warden, but it would of ruined the plot if you brought them to any Warden and immediately they'd say oh he's not a Grey Warden. 

[Former_Fiend]

Spoiler

For all we know Blackwall was a convincing doppelganger of him.

 

Also Blackwall -- the real one -- might've become a regular recruiter in the last ten years and someone else took his place. Most of the Wardens after Adamant weren't very high in the chain of command. Seemed to be green as grass. Probably never actually met Blackwall.

 

Hell, the entire reason Rainier grew a beard was to hide who he was. Something tells me taking Blackwall's name wouldn't work if the real one didn't have a magnificent muzzle of his own.

 

Spoiler

For all we know Blackwall was a convincing doppelganger of him.

 

Also Blackwall -- the real one -- might've become a regular recruiter in the last ten years and someone else took his place. Most of the Wardens after Adamant weren't very high in the chain of command. Seemed to be green as grass. Probably never actually met Blackwall.

 

Hell, the entire reason Rainier grew a beard was to hide who he was. Something tells me taking Blackwall's name wouldn't work if the real one didn't have a magnificent muzzle of his own.

 

It is mentioned that once the battle is over,

Spoiler

Alistair/Loghain/Stroud are the only senior wardens left. Alistair's been a warden for about eleven years by that time, Loghain's been a warden for ten. Stroud, we can assume, has been a warden a comparable amount of time. But it's also mentioned that Clarel was Warden Commander of Orlais when Alistair/Loghain came there, which was around the time of Awakening, which would make her Kristoff's replacement.  Presumably, Clarel would have known Blackwall. But it's been at least three years since she'd last saw him, so there's a little more leeway there, I suppose

[Willowhugger]

Oh I also might have forgotten because it wouldn't have been a started retaking it, but a started taking it since he said in DA:O that he never started in the first place since he didn't take his vows.

 

I think I'm going to headcanon that he was distracted by... things, and the Wardens in the fortress are really distracted by the demon stuff.

 

Well he says he's started taking it again.

It's annoying but according to Gaider Alistair is wrong about lyrium not being necessary or lying.

My theory is they slipped him Lyrium cookies.

:-)