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[slayergrim]

I'm not asking for a nerf to great classes like elementalist or knight enchanter because they're fun and you don't want to take away what's fun about the game. Classes like Katari need to be brought up to par.

For example, it's like pulling teeth playing a high lvl Katari on perilous even with using block and smash and charge for guard building. Even Barrier works much better than guard which leaves melee much to be desired. Elements also gets healing per enemy killed and they aren't even on the front lines. Diablo 3 gives it's barbarian a built in % dmg reduction because I'm sure they encountered the same issue. Reaver has a heal per hit ability and the trees have skills with damage reduction but still that's not even helping.

Guard needs to be on par with barrier. Melee needs a reliable heal per enemy killed in some way. Arrows need not 2 shot us. A built in % dmg reduction would be beneficial.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Do you even heal on kill ring.

Guard is very easy to self generate, doesnt expire and is proportional to your health.

Barrier has to be cast, it expires and also has a fairly long cooldown assuming you are the only one benefiting from it.

Both are balanced. If anything, id make barrier a little weaker.

[J. Peterman]

NERF THE AW!!!

[slayergrim]

I'm talking about MP, so heal on kill rings don't come around much. Sure guard is built faster at the same time your face tanking multiple enemies in perilous that can kill you in a few hits while arrows are coming in to boot.

[slayergrim]

Nerfing isn't the answer. Don't take away what's fun and enjoyable. That makes the game worse without fixing the issue.

[Rhaine]

You could play 100 hours and never get a heal on kill ring ;p

 

why ele has +10% health and mana after a kill i have no idea.

 

necro it makes sense from a lore point of view, ele they just decided they wanted it way stronger than most classes.

 

Oh and barrier is amazing compared to guard on perilous.

[veramis]

I'm talking about MP, so heal on kill rings don't come around much.

 

After 480k spent, I have 1 superb and 1 rare HoK ring. It is quite possible for someone to go 1kk gold without at least two rare HoK rings or 1 superb HoK ring.

 

Imo HoK is by far the strongest stat in da3mp, and when you get weapons and rings with it, it really improves survivability. To a lesser extent this is true for the 100HP rare belt and 200HP unique belt.

 

As for what katari needs, its been very regularly suggested that katari needs more ranged defense, and that would be a good start. But with bioware programming we'll probably see a ranged defense buff for katari result in 80k damage normal arrows against them.

[slayergrim]

It should be an ability not a ring!

[J. Peterman]

Speaking of "heal on kill", I've got some lustrous cotton with a defense of "x% healing from all sources". What the hell does "all sources" mean?

[TurianRebels]

Speaking of "heal on kill", I've got some lustrous cotton with a defense of "x% healing from all sources". What the hell does "all sources" mean?

 

Potions!

Supposedly HoK as well.

[J. Peterman]

 

Potions!

Supposedly HoK as well.

 

Ah, gotcha! Thanks.

[Dangermatty]

I just took a Katari to 20 with that "To The Death" skill for the first time.  The skill definitely is better than it sounds on paper and instantly generates full guard in most situations.  The problem is, guard as it stands is all but worthless.  Full guard is very often broken in 1 hit from basic enemies.  If max guard is 25% of max health and max health is generally around 1000ish, then full guard (without skills) is 250.  How much can an un-upgraded barrier absorb?  I don't know what the numbers are but I can tell you from extensive experience a barrier is worth easily 10 times full guard.  I know barrier dissipates but it's very simple to recast it, and easy to spec it out so that it's up 100% of the time (with natural decay).  The fact that barrier is far, far superior to guard isn't debatable; it's why AW and other mage classes are the preferred classes for perilous.  The only reason the Legionnaire can tank is his invulnerability skills.  I'm not saying all warriors should be able to facetank the RTK through a whirlwind, but guard as it stands is all but worthless.

[tbxvividos]

-makes a post generalizing all melee classes

-plays katari


Lol ok

[Marnius]

Do you even heal on kill ring.

Do you even RNG loot.

[teltow]

I have to try out the AW before they nerf it. Haven't done it yet because every lobby I join has at least one Geralt of Riva in it.

[Dangermatty]

I don't know if that Katari comment was directed at me, but the point about guard in general is still valid.  And I've played all of the classes at least a little and the warriors extensively.  The shield users are ok because of the shield itself, not the guard.

[Kenaras]

How much can an un-upgraded barrier absorb?

 

Around 3200 with a common staff; upgraded is around 4800. A good rare of unique staff will increase that.

[TheShadyEngineer]

I didn't even know a heal on kill ring existed before reading this thread. You lucky bastards. 

[J. Peterman]

I didn't even know a heal on kill ring existed before reading this thread. You lucky bastards. 

 

Well I knew about it, but the rest applies.

[Hurkaleez]

I'm talking about MP, so heal on kill rings don't come around much. Sure guard is built faster at the same time your face tanking multiple enemies in perilous that can kill you in a few hits while arrows are coming in to boot.

 

There seems to be a hidden cooldown on the HoK rings as well. I agree, guard needs rebalancing and boosting it to 50% base health rather than its current meager 25% would probably suffice. 

 

The Katari's problem IMO is that he is super slow and clunky yet his damage output does not make up for it. 

[JRandall0308]

You can improve your maximum guard with Untouchable Defense or Bulwark (both 25%) -- unclear if this is additive or multiplicative.

[Kenaras]

I agree, guard needs rebalancing and boosting it to 50% base health rather than its current meager 25% would probably suffice. 

 

Guard and Barrier feel much better balanced with each other in single-player. I'm guessing that's due to armor scaling.

 

(In single-player, weapon damage and armor value both scale up dramatically. In multiplayer, only weapon damage does. Barrier absorption is before armor reduction; Guard absorption is after armor reduction.)

[Dangermatty]

Yes I definitely agree with that.  Guard seemed to be more useful in SP.  As for a fix, I think max guard should be at least 100% of max health.  I realize the Reaver and Katari were not meant to tank in the sense that the Lego and Templar were, but still when you think warrior you think front-line fighter.  To have to wait until others have all the agro and then kill them from behind for fear of getting hit once or twice?  That's called a rogue.  Mama didn't raise no rogue.

[Trickshaw]

Giving melee a little bit of a dmg reduction boost is in order I believe. It could scale on level of course. I do feel bad for melee sometimes. You guys get pounded pretty hard at times.

I main a Huntard and an Alchemist so I can't really relate to your plight but setimes you guys go down and I'm like wtf just happened?

[VilniusNastavnik]

When archers on threatening can take away your guard in one shot as a katari.. I'd say either the enemy archers need a nerf, the katari need a buff or just stick to playing them as a routine class.. 2H warriors I have found to be not viable on the higher difficulties because they get dropped so far from archers it is not funny.