This is a terrible argument against a character being bisexual. And as long as I live, I will never understand why anyone would care. As long as someone is interested in you, what does the gender of other people they might be attracted to matter?
And even if they did they have two other characters to persue that's straight.
Whiners will always be whiners. They will not stop till they can get what happened with the romances in DA2 again, destroy all established personality for all characters so they can have a choice between all of them on a single playthrough.
Explain how his ‘personality’ is ruined? He’s already written not-solely-straight and you didn’t even notice it!
Of course they only think about their side and never the other side. You don't hear people wanting Dorian for female characters.
Actually you hear plenty of people wanting that… but Dorian is a different case, because his orientation is formative.
Again, it would be like editing a deleted scene back into a movie. As much as a director/producer/writer would love that scene, sometimes it just doesn't work out with the rest of the movie.
Again, it would be like editing a deleted scene back into a movie. As much as a director/producer/writer would love that scene, sometimes it just doesn't work out with the rest of the movie.
Eh didn't they say it was only in there due to lack of resources?
So it's not that it didn't fit it was there wasn't enough time. There's a difference.
There's no point crying over spilt milk; what's done is done and I doubt that Cullen is going to be changed to bi. Besides, you've already got the same number of romance options as straight guys, so you're not exactly being shortchanged or anything. Also, making Cullen bi would mean that gay guys would have three options, which would be one more than straight guys, so I'm not sure that I'd be too happy with that personally (unless Bioware were somehow able to give straight guys another option as well, but I don't see that happening).
Eh didn't they say it was only in there due to lack of resources?
So it's not that it didn't fit it was there wasn't enough time. There's a difference.
There have been many scenes that ended on the cutting room floor for the same reason though.
I wonder what the reaction would be if Sera was found to have cut dialogue with a male Inquisitor.
I mean I still wouldn't touch her with a 30ft pole, but still
There have been many scenes that ended on the cutting room floor for the same reason though.
True but extended cuts sometimes adds those scenes in. It's not something that's contrary to the movie it just adds flavor.
Honestly at this point I'd say the ship has sailed especially since he shoots you down but *shrug*
I wonder what the reaction would be if Sera was found to have cut dialogue with a male Inquisitor.
I mean I still wouldn't touch her with a 30ft pole, but still
Eh, but that's different. She explicitly says in-game that she's not into men. Changing that actually would be a retcon for once.
To be honest I didn't even like Cullen's romance (I know, I'm a horrible person), but I still wish guys could get to experience it like originally intended. It might be too much of a mess to do it now after all this fuss, but it would still be a kind move, even if it caused PR problems.
I wonder what the reaction would be if Sera was found to have cut dialogue with a male Inquisitor.
I mean I still wouldn't touch her with a 30ft pole, but still
Ugh.
I'd rather it'd have been a bi scout full romance that didn't get finished in time honestly :X
I wonder what the reaction would be if Sera was found to have cut dialogue with a male Inquisitor.
I mean I still wouldn't touch her with a 30ft pole, but still
Meh, I don't really care if they make him bi. In my game, he's attracted to my femquisitor so what do I care what other people want in their games? Doesn't change my head cannon. Doesn't make him any less awesome to me.
This.
Ahh the voice of pragmatism speaks. And here I was just starting to enjoy the circular arguments.Agreed with the other poster who points out that the game is pretty explicit that she's not into guys, where the most that Cullen says is "I can give you friendship but nothing more.", which is the same he gives to females of two races as well. Plus, there's the whole situation where Sera being bisexual means that there would now be zero lesbians in our inner circle, but Cullen being bisexual means that there are still three other straight guys. It's slightly different.
That being said, I'd probably have the same stance. With sexuality, if it didn't make the cut for the release date, I'd rather not see it happen. I just think that it's creating a situation that would lead to more controversy than anything else. It's partially selfish on my part: I don't want to have to see the fallout of this for years to come. For ****'s sake, we're still dealing with Anders and it's three and a half years later.
As much as I would romance the **** out of him if they did patch it back in, I'd rather they just take those ideas and roll them into a KISA character in the next game. I'm also sick of having to wait, but I feel like the m/m audience got a pretty good deal this time around, so I'm not complaining. That's just me, though. YMMV.
Again, it would be like editing a deleted scene back into a movie. As much as a director/producer/writer would love that scene, sometimes it just doesn't work out with the rest of the movie.
Bad analogy. Look at the special editions of the Alien:Quadrilogy. So many scenes were added back in, each one adds to the story and excitement of the films and we learn so much more about the plot and characters.
That being said, I'd probably have the same stance. With sexuality, if it didn't make the cut for the release date, I'd rather not see it happen. I just think that it's creating a situation that would lead to more controversy than anything else. It's partially selfish on my part: I don't want to have to see the fallout of this for years to come. For ****'s sake, we're still dealing with Anders and it's three and a half years later.
I think you’re overestimating the effect. It’s an easy trap to fall into, on the forums, but seriously… DAI is more popular and bought than DA2, which was supposedly so very controversial, and I guarantee you that not a single purchase was decided by the fact that Cullen was straight and only straight.
Agreed with the other poster who points out that the game is pretty explicit that she's not into guys, where the most that Cullen says is "I can give you friendship but nothing more.", which is the same he gives to females of two races as well. Plus, there's the whole situation where Sera being bisexual means that there would now be zero lesbians in our inner circle, but Cullen being bisexual means that there are still two other straight guys. It's slightly different.
Fixed that for you. Although I've also read that Solas was supposed to be a bisexual romance, making it one...
I think Bioware should finish off the Cullen romance and patch it in or bundle it with another DLC at some point. (There are a lot more posts now than when I went to bed so I might have missed some buuut) A lot of people call restoring bi cullen 'changing him'. Sure it 'changes' him but nobody seems to be talking about how Bioware 'changed' Cullen literally at the last second. What BIoware has done effectively is comparable to sticking Cullen in the closet, that's such a negative message. They intended him to be bisexual in this game and rather then let people know about this, instead of just saying 'Oh, Cullen will be bisexual but we haven't quite finished it yet so we're locking his romance off and finishing it at a later date', ya know, the right thing to do in that siutation. They instead decided to cover it up and keep hush hush.
We shouldn't have to wait 3 years more for positive and varied LGBT romances and characters when we already have one 99% finished, locked in the game. It's all right there, the comment saying that the person doing his romance scenes didn't have time to finish implies that some if not most were already complete. In DA:O we have Zevran a promiscuous bisexual with a dark past. In DA2 we had Isabela and Anders, 2 promiscuous bisexuals with a dark past and Fenris and Merill, 2 bisexuals with a dark past. DA:I we have Dorian and Iron Bull (and possibly Sera?), 2(3?) promiscuous non-straight people with a dark past.
Cullen has some of THE best character growth in the series. Him and Morrigan are certainly up there as some of the most developed characters. Cullen has grown so much as a character and he's finally blossomed as a character in DA:I. His romance arc is also one of the most developed in the series. Cullen is what the LGBT community has been waiting for as varied representation. Come on BW, finish what you started and take Cullen back out of the closet.
His personality in Inquisition is the personality that they intended to give to a bisexual man, meaning that it wouldn't change. So the only difference those players will experience is the metagame knowledge that he is also capable of being attracted to men. If that's an issue for them, that's pretty sad and disturbing.
So your telling me if you are a straight guy and some person can change your sexual preference with lots of flirting and caring stuff? I dont think so. Yes LGBT stuff is alright to some but to some it aint. I dont hate lgbt (i have tolerance, i do have friends and acquaintances) but also i dont agree with them. (hate and disagree
are two different things)
going back to Cullen. He is the only "Decent male human Straight LI" why take it all away and turned him Bi just because some lgbt person wants him. The Sad part in this society is if you disagree with LGBT people you are automatically branded as homophobic, Straight is also a sexual preference mind you. I have certain tolerance but you guys are pushing too far
What message do you guys want to convey that **** us conservatives you dont have the right to enjoy ur games because if you oppose us LGBT's you are homophobics and haters, society dont accept haters so **** you we want to turn a straight guy into a Bi
So your telling me if you are a straight guy and some person can change your sexual preference with lots of flirting and caring stuff? I dont think so. Yes LGBT stuff is alright to some but to some it aint. Im not against lgbt (i have tolerance, i do have friends and acquaintances) but also i dont agree with them. (hate and disagree
are two different things)
going back to Cullen. He is the only "Decent male human Straight LI" why take it all away and turned him Bi just because some lgbt person wants him. The Sad part in this society is if you disagree with LGBT people you are automatically branded as homophobic, Straight is also a sexual preference mind you. I have certain tolerance but you guys are pushing too far
Well statements like "I don't agree with them" do sound homophobic. What 'exactly' don't you agree with?
They wouldn't be 'turning him bi', he was meant to be bi in the first place. Bioware would be making Cullen what he was always intended to be, also restoring him as an option for men isn't going to take him away as an option for woman so who cares about him being a 'decent straight option', what's so special about being straight in the first place.
That also devaules the people who enjoy Solas and Blackwall's romances.
Besides, you've already got the same number of romance options as straight guys, so you're not exactly being shortchanged or anything.
Quantity ≠ quality. That is, even being a BioWare game, not all romances are equally fulfilling for all people. I might desperately want a Cullen (or Cassandra) style romance, and if I don’t play the correct character, I’m SOL. You can argue that people should role-play a woman for Cullen, which is a fair point, but a lot of people simply don’t enjoy the game as much that way—and not everyone has the time to play it that way.
That is why I wholeheartedly support opening all romances with exceptions where it’s important for story or character so that as many people as possible can play how they like.
But that said, yes, I’m afraid this won’t happen for DAI…
Im not against lgbt (i have tolerance, i do have friends and acquaintances) but also i dont agree with them. (hate and disagree
are two different things)
Disagree with them about what?
Disagreeing with someone being gay, bisexual, trans, etc. would be like someone disagreeing with me having brown hair. I'm not sure what there is to dispute.
going back to Cullen. He is the only "Decent male human Straight LI" why take it all away and turned him Bi just because some lgbt person wants him.
But straight people would still be able to romance Cullen.
What message do you guys want to convey that **** us conservatives you dont have the right to enjoy ur games because if you oppose us LGBT's you are homophobics and haters, society dont accept haters so **** you we want to turn a straight guy into a Bi
So...what? Can you only enjoy a game if a bisexual person is forced into the closet? because that's the situation with Cullen right now.
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