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[Spirit Keeper]

I don't like how this issuse is being talked about since someone sexuality can not be changed that easily. He never once firilted with a male mage in DA:O so for him to all of sudden be into men is strange. This is saying like a gay person can chose too be gay which is not true. My friend knew he was gay from a young age, and never found woman to be his preference. It's basicly saying a gay can become straight all of Sudden.

Except it can if you ask Bioware, Cullen was almost bisexual at release of the game but was locked away because they hadn't finished the cutscenes. Sounds like they easily changed him there, so what do you define as 'change'?

 

Most characters in the game don't openly filrt with your character first, except maybe Dorian.

 

It's basically saying that a bisexual person should be bisexual rather than locked in the closet and kept hush for 'reasons'.

[MelissaGT]

I will not post my opinion on this matter because it's an argument that will never be resolved...like a never-ending "non-merry-go-round" and it brings out so much ugliness all around. 

 

Anyways, I just wanted to know - has his "intended status" been confirmed by someone still employed with the company? I only saw a posted tweet from someone that said they were no longer with Bioware. Maybe I'm wrong?

 

I know they recorded the lines, but don't they do this as common practice anyways? They just want to have everything available just in case so they don't have to recall the voice-actors back into the studio.

[Ryzaki]

I know they recorded the lines, but don't they do this as common practice anyways? They just want to have everything available just in case so they don't have to recall the voice-actors back into the studio.

 

No they supposedly said they stopped doing that because they have a new script technique that only gives them the lines that are necessary. (So no more male PC saying fem PC only lines. Like Male Shep calling himself a woman or Dude Hawke saying he was "festooned in ruffles")

[Efvie]

going back to Cullen. He is the only "Decent male human Straight LI" why take it all away and turned him Bi just because some lgbt person wants him.

 

Classic misunderstanding of bisexuality. (And one reason why I highly prefer playersexual over bisexual, with exceptions.)

 

In your game, Cullen can be straight. Or he can be bi in a heterosexual relationship.

 

In neither case is he unavailable to a straight female, or ‘ruined’, unless of course you think as many do that bisexuals automatically are unfaithful (which is equivalent to assuming that a heterosexual woman/man will sleep with any heterosexual man/woman she/he encounters).

[Spirit Keeper]

I will not post my opinion on this matter because it's an argument that will never be resolved...like a never-ending "non-merry-go-round" and it brings out so much ugliness all around. 

 

Anyways, I just wanted to know - has his "intended status" been confirmed by someone still employed with the company? I only saw a posted tweet from someone that said they were no longer with Bioware. Maybe I'm wrong?

 

I know they recorded the lines, but don't they do this as common practice anyways? They just want to have everything available just in case so they don't have to recall the voice-actors back into the studio.

From what we have so far, Cullen (that we know of) if the only person with romance dialogue for him and the M!qusitor plus companions (Dorian and Cassandra in this case).

 

We have a few twitter posts saying that his romance cutscenes weren't finished in time and at GaymerX they said someone was intended to be bisexual.

[Efvie]

I will not post my opinion on this matter because it's an argument that will never be resolved...like a never-ending "non-merry-go-round" and it brings out so much ugliness all around.

 

It does, it’s true. Someone will always be unhappy. That is why I think here—as pretty much everywhere—the correct answer is the one that is the most inclusive.

[jtav]

It's kind of funny. I go from insisting "these two characters are bisexual, not straight" in one fandom to "this character is straight, not bisexual" in another within twenty-four hours.

Reacting differently to an otherwise identical PC is one of the few cases where I feel comfortable ruling a character's sexuality in or out. A bisexual Cullen could probably be done, but it's more difficult than bisexual Solas/Blackwall.

[Biotic_Warlock]

No Way, He is the only Straight Guy in the game and you want to make him Bi? geez there are too many Bi in the game and the real world give the girls some straight guy for a change

Straight female inquisitors have the most romance options.

[eyezonlyii]

I guess I just don't understand the sentiment of being upset over this. It's not like the arc was done, and they decided to lock it for the evulz, it was clearly unfinished, so rather than scrap the entire romance, they allowed whoever fit the finished criteria access. Unfortunately that was strictly human and elven women. Since nowhere else in the series does he talk about being attracted to men, why can't that be face value, that he is either A) not attracted to men or not attracted to your male inquisitor. As people argue for set sexualities and defined characters, as the game has shipped right now, he's just not that into you.

[MelissaGT]

From what we have so far, Cullen (that we know of) if the only person with romance dialogue for him and the M!qusitor plus companions (Dorian and Cassandra in this case).

 

We have a few twitter posts saying that his romance cutscenes weren't finished in time and at GaymerX they said someone was intended to be bisexual.

 

These are the twitter posts I was referencing - I could have sworn I saw that she said she was no longer employed with the company. Then an employee posted in the Cullen thread last night something along the lines of it being a private twitter post and that it should never have been shared on BSN.

[Ryriena]

Except it can if you ask Bioware, Cullen was almost bisexual at release of the game but was locked away because they hadn't finished the cutscenes. Sounds like they easily changed him there, so what do you define as 'change'?

Most characters in the game don't openly filrt with your character first, except maybe Dorian.

It's basically saying that a bisexual person should be bisexual rather than locked in the closet and kept hush for 'reasons'.

So basically your ignoring the fact in DAO he never once firilted with the male mage? They also do this regularly with lines so I doubt it was because they hadn't finished the cutscenes for them, in the files Jake for exmaple had romance lines with female shepard and they decided it did not fit the character to let that in the game. DA2 had Anders do a complete 180 of his sexual preference from DA:O. It was really jarring for such a change to happen within a scale of six months. Did you not understand Dorian quest?

[Biotic_Warlock]

Yes, of course!  KISA's for ALL! 
 
(I do tend to get tunnel vision for my m/m KISA.  I'm going to warn you, I will play dirty to get him.  I will pull out the "I'm not here to make friends...." line if need be.  Be warned!)

Could one consider Aveline a KISA? O.o

[BiscuitieKai]

Well statements like "I don't agree with them" do sound homophobic. What 'exactly' don't you agree with?

 

They wouldn't be 'turning him bi', he was meant to be bi in the first place. Bioware would be making Cullen what he was always intended to be, also restoring him as an option for men isn't going to take him away as an option for woman so who cares about him being a 'decent straight option', what's so special about being straight in the first place.

 

That also devaules the people who enjoy Solas and Blackwall's romances.

and what so special being Bi anways

 

You are Bi (if you are) i am straight , yknow the fact that i cant turn you into a straight person and me into a bi is the same as you cant turn someone's ideals and preference with lots of flirting and caring

Short answer I have tolerance not to hate lgbt but it doesnt mean i agree with lgbt fuzz

[eyezonlyii]

Could one consider Aveline a KISA? O.o

Yes. The list was:
Alistair, Black wall, Cullen, Aveline, Cassandra
Honorable mention: Sebastian, Justice

There may be more I'm missing

[Biotic_Warlock]

So basically your ignoring the fact in DAO he never once firilted with the male mage? They also do this regularly with lines so I doubt it was because they hadn't finished the cutscenes for them, in the files Jake for exmaple had romance lines with female shepard and they decided it did not fit the character to let that in the game. DA2 had Anders do a complete 180 of his sexual preference from DA:O. It was really jarring for such a change to happen within a scale of six months. Did you not understand Dorian quest?

If they actually made more of a reference to Anders' bisexuality in DA2 (rather than identical dialogue for both hawkers), the it might have been less confusing.
Having straight only (in its obviousness) or lack of homosexually suggestive dialogue, does not automatically mean they are straight.

I'm sure no straight person can understand, but there is a thing called straight acting. Its a side effect of the closet, because of how opressed we are by society. So, naturally, one would likely never see a random male character flirting with a male protagonist. Yet I see women flirt with male protagonists a LOT.

[Efvie]

I guess I just don't understand the sentiment of being upset over this. It's not like the arc was done, and they decided to lock it for the evulz, it was clearly unfinished, so rather than scrap the entire romance, they allowed whoever fit the finished criteria access. Unfortunately that was strictly human and elven women. Since nowhere else in the series does he talk about being attracted to men, why can't that be face value, that he is either A) not attracted to men or not attracted to your male inquisitor. As people argue for set sexualities and defined characters, as the game has shipped right now, he's just not that into you.

 

It’s a little hard to discuss the problem if you can’t see it from the other person’s side. Especially if you won’t try to.

[Efvie]

I'm sure no straight person can understand, but there is a thing called straight acting. Its a side effect of the closet, because of how opressed we are by society. So, naturally, one would likely never see a random male character flirting with a male protagonist. Yet I see women flirt with male protagonists a LOT.

 

OR because Cullen didn’t actually have a romance in DA:O, we could actually speculate that he wasn’t into the Warden at all. He was just putting on a show for his templar colleagues.

 

Also, the male Warden didn’t exist in that universe. Because there’s only one Warden. So it wasn’t a matter of flirting with one and not the other, because they don’t exist in the same world.

It’s extremely fruitless to argue about it. It’s all just rationalizations to justify a feeling one isn’t willing to examine.

[BiscuitieKai]

Sooner or Later Bioware will lock this thread

[Kitsune]

So basically your ignoring the fact in DAO he never once firilted with the male mage? They also do this regularly with lines so I doubt it was because they hadn't finished the cutscenes for them, in the files Jake for exmaple had romance lines with female shepard and they decided it did not fit the character to let that in the game. DA2 had Anders do a complete 180 of his sexual preference from DA:O. It was really jarring for such a change to happen within a scale of six months. Did you not understand Dorian quest?

ran out of 'likes' but here you go.

[Efvie]

Sooner or Later Bioware will lock this thread

 

Or you could just stop reading it if a surprisingly civil discussion threatens your world-view at a fundamental level.

[BiscuitieKai]

Sooner or Later Bioware will lock this thread

Nice exchanging views with you guys in this topic

[Boobasaurus]

From what we have so far, Cullen (that we know of) if the only person with romance dialogue for him and the M!qusitor plus companions (Dorian and Cassandra in this case).

 

We have a few twitter posts saying that his romance cutscenes weren't finished in time and at GaymerX they said someone was intended to be bisexual.

 

You forgot the part where they also mentioned it 'didn't work' and the character remained straight. I get that you're disappointed, but I highly doubt that Bioware didn't include his romance just to spite you and the LBGT community. 

 

This fandom is putting an unreasonable burden and expectations for the writers to constantly address everybody's personal preferences.  At first and foremost, their primary purpose is to make amazing games with an epic story and unforgettable characters. Romance is only one element and not the entire experience.

[Ryzaki]

I guess I just don't understand the sentiment of being upset over this. It's not like the arc was done, and they decided to lock it for the evulz, it was clearly unfinished, so rather than scrap the entire romance, they allowed whoever fit the finished criteria access. Unfortunately that was strictly human and elven women. Since nowhere else in the series does he talk about being attracted to men, why can't that be face value, that he is either A) not attracted to men or not attracted to your male inquisitor. As people argue for set sexualities and defined characters, as the game has shipped right now, he's just not that into you.

 

True enough.

[BiscuitieKai]

Or you could just stop reading it if a surprisingly civil discussion threatens your world-view at a fundamental level

and you know thats not what i meant

this is not the only topic that tackles about sexual preference bi, lgbt stuff.

 

all of those are locked, im just expecting the inevitable

[Efvie]

So basically your ignoring the fact in DAO he never once firilted with the male mage? They also do this regularly with lines so I doubt it was because they hadn't finished the cutscenes for them, in the files Jake for exmaple had romance lines with female shepard and they decided it did not fit the character to let that in the game. DA2 had Anders do a complete 180 of his sexual preference from DA:O. It was really jarring for such a change to happen within a scale of six months. Did you not understand Dorian quest?

 

What does Dorian have to do with the others? For Dorian, his sexual orientation is character-defining (because of the persecution). For Cullen it isn’t. For Anders it isn’t.

 

It’s not all or nothing.