and you know thats not what i meant
this is not the only topic that tackles about sexual preference bi, lgbt stuff.
all of those are locked, im just expecting the inevitable
I’m sorry for the uncharitable reading. The No Gender Restriction thread is still open, btw.
No thx.
I think people forget that straight is also a sexuality.
Also you're way to obsessed with that stuff in a fantasy action RPG about saving the world from ending. Romance is an "extra" thing in this game, it is there to add flavor and characterization, it is not the point of the game.
Go play some japanese visual novels or Sims if it is all you care about. Or better yet, stop obsessing over fantasyland romances and go out IRL once in a while.
You know why this is happening? Its happening because there are some truly horrible heterosexual people out there that treat the LGBT community like garbage.
And I am saying this is as a straight person.
But a great many people on this forum have an eye for an eye mentality because of how they have been mistreated and thats understandable.
There are also fans though that think they are owed something.
There are also fans who simply DO NOT LIKE the choices they were given and are simply HIDING BEHIND the banner of representation so they can get what they want.
There are some straight fans who fetishize M/M pairings are hiding behind the claim that they are being allies. (Because of alot of those same fans treat F/F pairings like garbage)
There are fans on this board who will lament straight mods but consider it alright to erase a straight character's sexuality...that falls under an eye for eye mentality. It also makes people hypocrites though.
I said it once and I'll say it again... ITS WRONG to erase any character's sexuality no matter if they are gay or straight.
Cullen has already been established as straight. Thats life. I happen to think Dorian is fantastic...I rolled a male for him.
If modders make him Bi thats fine. I won't use it but to demand the developers to do this instead of using their resources to create dlc for ALL of the fans is just selfish.
*gets popcorn*
Man I have the feeling this is going to be one of those topics.
OR because Cullen didn’t actually have a romance in DA:O, we could actually speculate that he wasn’t into the Warden at all. He was just putting on a show for his templar colleagues.
Also, the male Warden didn’t exist in that universe. Because there’s only one Warden. So it wasn’t a matter of flirting with one and not the other, because they don’t exist in the same world.
It’s extremely fruitless to argue about it. It’s all just rationalizations to justify a feeling one isn’t willing to examine.
First of all, the hostility is unwarranted. I am obviously discussing the matter and am I'm fact affect and appreciate the lgbt subjects and characters in the game, considering I am one.It’s a little hard to discuss the problem if you can’t see it from the other person’s side. Especially if you won’t try to.
*gets popcorn*
Man I have the feeling this is going to be one of those topics.
yea i hope they dont lock this thread
*gets popcorn*
Man I have the feeling this is going to be one of those topics.
Just mention same sex romances and trolls come running. That's probably the only reason these threads derail and get locked.
Hey I'm not trolling! I'm watching. With snacks.
Want some?
yea i hope they dont lock this thread
Same. It's a weekend though so we have a good chance of it lasting.
Well if this is true, I'm sorry for those of you who didn't get Cullen as a bisexual option. What frustrates me is some of the drama that is created through reactions around topics like this. I swear if people keep harping on the developers over romance options like they do, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware chooses to stop doing it. At this point, just respect the choice the developers made to make Cullen straight. Hopefully in future games they stick to something more equal like 6 romance options (2 gay, 2 straight, 2 bisexual).
Hey I'm not trolling! I'm watching. With snacks.
Want some?
Same. It's a weekend though so we have a good chance of it lasting.
Well if this is true, I'm sorry for those of you who didn't get Cullen as a bisexual option. What frustrates me is some of the drama that is created through reactions around topics like this. I swear if people keep harping on the developers over romance options like they do, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware chooses to stop doing it. At this point, just respect the choice the developers made to make Cullen straight. Hopefully in future games they stick to something more equal like 6 romance options (2 gay, 2 straight, 2 bisexual).
I agree.
While I believe BioWare's efforts are admirable in trying to appeal to as many different groups as they can, I also believe it's a futile endeavor. They will never be able to please everybody.
First of all, the hostility is unwarranted. I am obviously discussing the matter and am I'm fact affect and appreciate the lgbt subjects and characters in the game, considering I am one.
Secondly your statement about not being into the warden is the same as mine saying he's not into the inquisitor. If you want an in universe explanation of his not wanting you than it's because whatever his preferences are, you don't fit them.
It wasn’t meant to be hostile. You said you don’t understand the reason for being upset*. If you don’t, then it’s difficult to have a discussion as opposed to an argument.
And yes, the point was exactly that the same reasoning can be used for both sides. This is because it’s an incomplete work of fiction. It can be literally anything, and as such the merits of such arguments are about nil. That is why I would avoid the arguing and simply do what is most inclusive.
* Like I’ve said, I understand the fear that a character would be compromised by adding romance options, which as a sometimes-writer myself I completely understand. However, I have not yet heard compelling cases where this has happened, or examples of how the characters would be ruined—with exceptions that I do not disagree with, like Dorian. It’s essential that Dorian is gay. Cullen’s character was written bi and nobody noticed. Because it’s not a defining trait, it’s just a part of what Cullen is in a particular universe.
In fact, as I also said earlier, I’m more afraid that adding more and more differently gated romance options is far more detrimental to the game experience because effort has to be split over so many different characters. That is, this supposedly ‘character-defining’ trait ends up leaving the character less defined.
If Cullen is indeed bi then i have a Grand great task ahead of me by making my Inquisitress more appealing and gorgeous
(a Meryl Streep look alike will do wonders Cullen cant resist :3 )
It wasn’t meant to be hostile. You said you don’t understand the reason for being upset*. If you don’t, then it’s difficult to have a discussion as opposed to an argument. And yes, the point was exactly that the same reasoning can be used for both sides. This is because it’s an incomplete work of fiction. It can be literally anything, and as such the merits of such arguments are about nil. That is why I would avoid the arguing and simply do what is most inclusive.* Like I’ve said, I understand the fear that a character would be compromised by adding romance options, which as a sometimes-writer myself I completely understand. However, I have not yet heard compelling cases where this has happened, or examples of how the characters would be ruined—with exceptions that I do not disagree with, like Dorian. It’s essential that Dorian is gay. Cullen’s character was written bi and nobody noticed. Because it’s not a defining trait, it’s just a part of what Cullen is in a particular universe. In fact, as I also said earlier, I’m more afraid that adding more and more differently gated romance options is far more detrimental to the game experience because effort has to be split over so many different characters. That is, this supposedly ‘character-defining’ trait ends up leaving the character less defined.
If Cullen is indeed bi then i have a Grand great task ahead of me by making my Inquisitress more appealing and gorgeous
(a Meryl Streep look alike will do wonders Cullen cant resist :3 )
Again we have the issue on when it was decided he was bisexual, as it was certainly not in origins, and arguably not in 2 as well. Which means he was written as straight, then eventually was attempted to be rewritten as bisexual, but it just didn't work out, either from time or story or both. So I don't think patching it in (because I am very much against making it a paid dlc in all regards) would necessarily be a "bad" move, I think it would be an unfortunate one, because at this point it would seem like bioware was whined into submission and frankly it would seem to someone on the outside looking in, that the lgbt community is again trying to force a change on a company. Perception matters just as much as tenacity. I'm thinking of it this way: we are at the way table and can choose between sending Josie of Cullen's agents on a mission. I'm choosing Josie, because it may take more time, but I know we can garner more support for the cause.
Differing agendas, perhaps. While I dispute your assertion about what Cullen was and was not written as, I’m pretty sure the Cullen fight’s lost for DA:I, and the only hope there is a mod. And even then, it’ll sting once again when the next game rolls around and you don’t get it acknowledged. I hope otherwise, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen.
I think BioWare should learn to avoid this problem by dropping the gating except for pressing story-related reasons. I support all these discussions, not for immediate gain, but so that they know that it’s the best way going forward.
These threads are usually locked because accusations and sarcasm escalate into hostility and insults. If this thread is to stay open it needs to stay civil and on topic.
*gets popcorn*
Man I have the feeling this is going to be one of those topics.
Gimme some pls. I also have chocolate.
Ahh the voice of pragmatism speaks. And here I was just starting to enjoy the circular arguments.
Stupid me and my logic..... 
I think you can see that I've taken some time to calm down and come to terms that I'm not getting my handsome blond KISA. So close, yet so far!
Fixed that for you. Although I've also read that Solas was supposed to be a bisexual romance, making it one...
Incorrect correction, though. There are three straight guys in the inner circle without Cullen: Blackwall, Solas, and Varric. With regard to Sera, she's literally the only lesbian, so if she ended up bisexual, we'd have zero lesbians represented in the inner circle. If Cullen were bisexual, there would still be three straight guys (two of whom could be romanced).
So your telling me if you are a straight guy and some person can change your sexual preference with lots of flirting and caring stuff? I dont think so. Yes LGBT stuff is alright to some but to some it aint. I dont hate lgbt (i have tolerance, i do have friends and acquaintances) but also i dont agree with them. (hate and disagree
are two different things)
going back to Cullen. He is the only "Decent male human Straight LI" why take it all away and turned him Bi just because some lgbt person wants him. The Sad part in this society is if you disagree with LGBT people you are automatically branded as homophobic, Straight is also a sexual preference mind you. I have certain tolerance but you guys are pushing too far
What message do you guys want to convey that **** us conservatives you dont have the right to enjoy ur games because if you oppose us LGBT's you are homophobics and haters, society dont accept haters so **** you we want to turn a straight guy into a Bi
I genuinely don't think you understand the argument. They wouldn't be changing anything about his character except for adding in the scenes that were already written and created where he would be available to male PCs. He was already written as bisexual. And all of that is in the game. The only part that isn't is the part where he can romance a male. The reason why you seem to have problems with grasping it is because you seem to think that the character would have to change in some way to romance a male. What you aren't understanding is that the Cullen that we see in the game was written as bisexual. That's him. That's who he is. They just ran out of time to put the scenes in where he's with a guy. Nothing about his personality needs to change because you are basically looking at a bisexual guy who only romances a female PC. He's, from the writer's perspective, already bisexual in all of the scenes that you see in the game.
Could one consider Aveline a KISA? O.o
Yep. Just a non-romanceable one.
The game is on, but I think if I try to woo him for myself Spirit Keeper would have to eat me.
Our Inquisitress have the anchor so if her appeal and "Gorgeousness" fails i think Corphy needs a company. Cullen will be all mine bwahahaha :3
Stupid me and my logic.....
Incorrect correction, though. There are three straight guys in the inner circle without Cullen: Blackwall, Solas, and Varric. With regard to Sera, she's literally the only lesbian, so if she ended up bisexual, we'd have zero lesbians represented in the inner circle. If Cullen were bisexual, there would still be three straight guys (two of whom could be romanced).
I genuinely don't think you understand the argument. They wouldn't be changing anything about his character except for adding in the scenes that were already written and created where he would be available to male PCs. He was already written as bisexual. And all of that is in the game. The only part that isn't is the part where he can romance a male. The reason why you seem to have problems with grasping it is because you seem to think that the character would have to change in some way to romance a male. What you aren't understanding is that the Cullen that we see in the game was written as bisexual. That's him. That's who he is. They just ran out of time to put the scenes in where he's with a guy. Nothing about his personality needs to change because you are basically looking at a bisexual guy who only romances a female PC. He's, from the writer's perspective, already bisexual in all of the scenes that you see in the game.
Yep. Just a non-romanceable one.
Correction pls he is written as a straight guy to begin with (DA:O )and they "tried" to make him Bi (in this game)and it didnt worked so they shoved it off
Oh strike me, can all of you just stop moaning about Cullen's sexuality? It's getting really pathetic. So what if he was -or wasn't- meant to be a bisexual romance option? Does it REALLY matter? They ran out of time, tough. It's a GAME for crying out loud! Just leave it be the way it is! The devs put so much work into this, and yet everyone seems to be bothered by a characters' sexuality so much, it's unbelievable! I know some people don't want to roll a female/male inquisitor just to romance *insert romance options' name here* because of their own personal reasons, and I respect that, I really do, but going all 'Cullen was written as bisexual but they ran out of time and stuff, so yeah, he's practically bisexual' doesn't really matter. He turned out as straight. Bioware decided to leave Cullen straight. That's fine. It's canon unless they want to change his sexuality (Which I *WARNING! UNPOPULAR OPINION AHEAD* hope they don't. Soz. I can't really imagine him being interested in men, and trust me when I say I'm NOT trying to offend anyone here. He simply never showed any romantic interest towards a male!Amell, no? So why all of a sudden change his sexuality? Come on, peeps 
).
As for modders, yeah, good luck. I hope they succeed in whatever it is they're doing now. Just please don't go all jumpy on Bioware for making a bunch of pixels this or that sexuality. It's their game, their rules, yeah?
Correction pls he is written as a straight guy to begin with and they "tried" to make him Bi and it didnt worked so they shoved it off
Not in DA: I, he wasn't. But nice try.
Why does everyone always seem to forget that Cullen hits on Surana as well as Amell? (You humans are all racist!)
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