Not in DA: I, he wasn't. But nice try.
Yea and in DA4 Cassandra (if not elected as Divine) will become a Bi too because she think if Cullen can she can. Wow clap clap clap
oh and Blackwall just decided to become Bi too in DA4 and Solas and Flemeth and oh all of the people of Thedas wants to become Bi in DA4 GREAT!
Why does the KISA have to be blonde hmm?http://stream1.gifso...neck-roll-o.gif
He doesn't and probably shouldn't be given the over abundance of them. But I do love a blond!
In fact, as I also said earlier, I’m more afraid that adding more and more differently gated romance options is far more detrimental to the game experience because effort has to be split over so many different characters. That is, this supposedly ‘character-defining’ trait ends up leaving the character less defined.
Yea and in DA4 Cassandra (if not elected as Divine) will become a Bi too because she think if Cullen can she can. Wow clap clap clap
oh and Blackwall just decided to become Bi too in DA4 and Solas and Flemeth and oh all of the people of Thedas wants to become Bi in DA4 GREAT!
Yep. And you are single handedly making me support that option. I genuinely hope it does go down that way, just for you.
Incorrect correction, though. There are three straight guys in the inner circle without Cullen: Blackwall, Solas, and Varric. With regard to Sera, she's literally the only lesbian, so if she ended up bisexual, we'd have zero lesbians represented in the inner circle. If Cullen were bisexual, there would still be three straight guys (two of whom could be romanced).
For the sake of this discussion about romances, I didn't include Varric. And again, audio files have been found suggesting that Solas was also supposed to be a bisexual romance.
He doesn't and probably shouldn't be given the over abundance of them. But I do love a blond!
Honestly, I can see how the whole Cullen being straight could upset they guys who wanted to romance him, but Cullen is straight. That's life. I'm a straight female and I loved Dorian as well, but he doesn't like woman and I can get over it. That's real life. There's real men that I find insanely attractive and when you find out they roll the other way you think "bummer" but you move on. I still loved having Dorian around and becoming great friends with him. I still would have gone with Cullen anyway, but I think if given the chance to romance Dorian I probably would have in a playthrough. I think when they choose to make every character Bi they actually end up limiting the dialogue. I mean they have to be able to play the character to both sides and in the end I just don't think it ends up being the same. I think it ends up changing the character.
Oh well, hurray for first world problems 
For the sake of this discussion about romances, I didn't include Varric. And again, audio files have been found suggesting that Solas was also supposed to be a bisexual romance.
Right, but that's the difference. Removing Sera's lesbian sexuality does have implications beyond just the romance content. That was my point in differentiating between Cullen and Sera. For Cullen, because there are already several other straight guys, the 'effect' remains within the romance content. With Sera, it means that lesbians are removed from the inner circle altogether.
Well it wouldn't REALLY matter if he was, but it would be cool to introduce a Rivainni prince/Templar, you know some more minority for your minority. Lol
I'd be down. Ser Barris......
That being said, they've done a good job with this in the m/m romance option pool.
Sky, Kaidan, Steve, and Dorian were all human PoCs. Iron Bull, Zev, and Fenris are non-humans. The only white human m/m option is Anders. Ugh. Anders...
Honestly, I can see how the whole Cullen being straight could upset they guys who wanted to romance him, but Cullen is straight. That's life. I'm a straight female and I loved Dorian as well, but he doesn't like woman and I can get over it. That's real life. There's real men that I find insanely attractive and when you find out they roll the other way you think "bummer" but you move on. I still loved having Dorian around and becoming great friends with him. I still would have gone with Cullen anyway, but I think if given the chance to romance Dorian I probably would have in a playthrough. I think when they choose to make every character Bi they actually end up limiting the dialogue. I mean they have to be able to play the character to both sides and in the end I just don't think it ends up being the same. I think it ends up changing the character.
Oh well, hurray for first world problems
I think the difference is that Dorian was written as gay. Cullen was written as bisexual only made available to women. It's slightly different.
Again, that being said, it's been done and all we can hope for is another guy like him in the future.
Yea and in DA4 Cassandra (if not elected as Divine) will become a Bi too because she think if Cullen can she can. Wow clap clap clap
oh and Blackwall just decided to become Bi too in DA4 and Solas and Flemeth and oh all of the people of Thedas wants to become Bi in DA4 GREAT!
Why does everyone always seem to forget that Cullen hits on Surana as well as Amell? (You humans are all racist!)
Desire demons, coming here. Talking our jobs, money and romance options.Why does everyone always seem to forget that Cullen hits on Surana as well as Amell? (You humans are all racist!)
Right, but that's the difference. Removing Sera's lesbian sexuality does have implications beyond just the romance content. That was my point in differentiating between Cullen and Sera. For Cullen, because there are already several other straight guys, the 'effect' remains within the romance content. With Sera, it means that lesbians are removed from the inner circle altogether.
I'd be down. Ser Barris......
That being said, they've done a good job with this in the m/m romance option pool.
Sky, Kaidan, Steve, and Dorian were all human PoCs. Iron Bull, Zev, and Fenris are non-humans. The only white human m/m option is Anders. Ugh. Anders...
It would change his personality. He would be a different person, and women who want to romance Cullen may not be attracted to a bisexual man.
Sexuality don't really affect personality and I don't see how it would anything about him. Also I don't understand how anyone can be not attracted to bisexuals, people are usually attracted to gender not sexuality ^^;
Again, that being said, it's been done and all we can hope for is another guy like him in the future.
Speak for yourself, Dave! I still have hope they could patch it in 
(No, really, I don't think it will happen lol) But this insane Cullenite is gasping for breath at the mere thought of it occurring. I'm not content to wait till next game because Cullen isn't just ANY KISA, he's CULLEN! 
I think that in a perfect world, either should be offensive. BUT we do not live in that perfect world. Right now, headcanons and fanfic and fanart and, yes, mods are how non-straight consumers of all media are most likely to find that representation. These reinterpretations have a long history of being the only way to provide that representation, those mirrors. And even if you want to argue that, on the basis of Inquisition offering options and having a few references of side characters who are in same-sex relations, Inquisition is a shining beacon of representation, it is still a drop in the bucket compared to the overflowing amounts of straight and assumed straight characters throughout media.
Until that scale begins to balance, when media across the board is giving us non-straight characters of all types on a basis enough that they're entirely normalized, where people who aren't heterosexual or gender-conforming are not unsafe for the crime of existing, we're not in that perfect world of representation. So in the world we live in today, right now, yes, modding straight characters to be bi is different from the other way around. When that day of normalization comes, then these mods would be just as offensive either way, but we're a long way off from that day right now.
This is more or less my opinion on the matter. I understand why some people view it as hypocrisy since we're talking about Dragon Age which is one of the most LGBT inclusive media franchises in history, but if you took every LGBT character in all of fiction and compared it to all of the straight characters in all of fiction, the LGBT ones wouldn't even be a fraction of one percent. They probably wouldn't even be 0.001%. So, yes, taking away one of those fractional decimal points is inherently different than taking one from the super majority on the other hand. You've still got more straight characters, in fact, you have more straight characters than anyone could ever mod, or write slash fic about, or even headcanon as queer. You've got almost the entirety of human history and art to keep drawing from, but queer people don't. That's the difference and that's why people get touchy about the possible Dorian and Sera mods but don't have problems with the Alistair mod. You don't have to agree with it, but it's not an irrational distinction to make.
It's no different. They are exactly the same. In every way, shape, and form it is the exact same thing. The whole "There are more straight characters" is just justification for the hypocrisy of being offended by one scenario but accepting of another. As long as some people keep thinking like this, the day where the scales balance will never come because it just breeds animosity.
Sexuality don't really affect personality and I don't see how it would anything about him. Also I don't understand how anyone can be not attracted to bisexuals, people are usually attracted to gender not sexuality ^^;
"He was written a certain way and already had dialogue" argument falls completely flat because the only stuff that matters is the final game. There may have been a lot more features, more characters, dialogue and quest stories planned, discussed, considered and ultimately dropped for one reason or another. In the end it was a choice by the creators of the game for the end result to be a certain way.
Cut content was cut for a reason. You are not entitled to it. It is not a "problem that needs to be fixed" because it is not a promise that Bioware broke and it wasn't something that Bioware misrepresented when marketing the game. It is not a part of the game's functionality so it is not really a bug either. This thread deserves as much place in "Feedback" forum as someone complaining that they don't like the font of text in the game.
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For the sake of this discussion about romances, I didn't include Varric. And again, audio files have been found suggesting that Solas was also supposed to be a bisexual romance.
Yes. Varric is not romance optioned. In all fairness, now it's just counting who is straight against who is not. I thought the point was about who is a romance option not how many people are straight, gay, bi or transgender within the game. If you count varric as straight then you might as well go around and count Viv, Fiona, Briala, Leliana, and anyone else possible. Now it's just head counting for the sheer fact that there aren't enough LBGT or perhaps just gay males. The problem with that though is that gay males are an actual minority statistically speaking. I mean that mathematically and not in any derogatory way. It's just how it is. the LGBT community is a smaller population than heterosexuals. The reason this is relevant is as I explained earlier in the thread it becomes an issue of having more LGBT in mainstream. If a population that statistically speaking is in the minority becomes a majority it will be labeled as a *insert that group* movie or book or game or whatever. That is what happens more often than not. Heck if 50% of a movie is women it can and often does become a chick flick. There's like some crappy one third rule that nobody speaks of but anything more than 1/3 women seems to push a movie to being a chick flick. I kid you not. And women are half the population. Probably more as of the last census. But half is a good bet. So equal representation based on statistics can still not work in one's favor. Now the reason this matters is because you want representation within the mainstream so if something gets labels as gay or lgbt then right away it's not mainstream and that impacts sales which means less money because mainstream is where the money is. Less money means that next time something gets made they will consider how it was impacted and if they want to do it again. Often the almighty dollar wins. Much of this is about money more than it is about rights. There's just not enough buying power that can compete against mainstream to give high representation. What is high representation? I honestly don't know. Right now sadly there are people complaining that there are too many LGBTs in this game. I've seen those ugly threads and it's sad but that's what can happen. There's a risk of something becoming pigeonholed which does not help the cause. It sucks but that's how it has been for ages. There are a few that can escape it like Will & Grace did but by far and large you have to consider the actual statistics of how many people are LGBT and if it seems like more are LBGT in any single thing it does run that risk of appealing only to those consumers the moment it is labeled as LGBT. It happens with african americans. It happens with women. And it happens with LBGT. This is not a LGBT thing only. Look around and you'll see it is for every group that is not heterosexual males for the most part. And while chick flicks for example may do well or sometimes very well, often they don't. There was a big debate around this for Thelma and Louise as well as one of the Charlie's Angels movies. Probably more but I haven't really been paying attention. I just know that this does exist and it impacts sales which dictates everything. Mainstream is how most want to go to make the most money so it is something that people put thought into. Demographics are everything. They truly are. And that's the sad reality that any group that is not heterosexual males face. Sad but true. It's just most frustrating here because the LGBT group feels more oppressed than any other right now it seems.
*seductive M&S advert voice*Speak for yourself, Dave! I still have hope they could patch it in
Antivan milk sandwich, anyone?
Im having Fried Chicken right now. do it taste good with chicken?
Im having Fried Chicken right now. do it taste good with chicken?
So your telling me if you are a straight guy and some person can change your sexual preference with lots of flirting and caring stuff? I dont think so. Yes LGBT stuff is alright to some but to some it aint. I dont hate lgbt (i have tolerance, i do have friends and acquaintances) but also i dont agree with them. (hate and disagree
are two different things)
going back to Cullen. He is the only "Decent male human Straight LI" why take it all away and turned him Bi just because some lgbt person wants him. The Sad part in this society is if you disagree with LGBT people you are automatically branded as homophobic, Straight is also a sexual preference mind you. I have certain tolerance but you guys are pushing too far
What message do you guys want to convey that **** us conservatives you dont have the right to enjoy ur games because if you oppose us LGBT's you are homophobics and haters, society dont accept haters so **** you we want to turn a straight guy into a Bi
It is hilarious that you are trying to come off as some sort of victim here.
Lmao.
I'm glad Bioware has grown out of the ridiculous "everyone's is bisexual" idea of diversity and has gone for characters that have their own sexual identities rather than them being applicable for all tastes and shallow.
It is hilarious that you are trying to come off as some sort of victim here.
Lmao.
It is hilarious that you are trying to come off as some sort of victim here.
Lmao.
It is as hilarious as people complaining about Cullen not being bi.
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