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[Baerdface]

Bingo - someone give this man a digital no-prize!

 

So why does this thread even exist?

[Fandango]

So why does this thread even exist?

Discussion.

[Baerdface]

Discussion.

 

Why? Everyone should just agree with me.

[Fandango]

Why? Everyone should just agree with me.

I disagree !

[Baerdface]

I disagree !

 

REBEL SCUM

[PrayingMantis]

If it was soooo clear that he's heterosexual, why did they even record those lines from the male inquisitor? 

His sexuality wasn't an important part of his arc, like e.g. with Dorian. He tells m!Inquisitor that he's not in search for a lover and that he'd appreciate him as a friend, but he doesn't mention his sole preference to women.

It was implied that he was interested in the female mage warden, but c'mon. DA:O is so old and it got enough criticism for having two bisexual companions at that time. Having videogame characters with different sexualities was something very rare in the past.

It still is, actually.

 

I just really want to know, why they recorded those lines from the male inquisitor in the first place. Was it a technical reason, or something else? I don't know, but for me it just seems as if the devs are trying of avoid answering this question and it's starting to rub me the wrong way. :/

[Baerdface]

If it was soooo clear that he's heterosexual, why did they even record those lines from the male inquisitor? 

His sexuality wasn't an important part of his arc, like e.g. with Dorian. He tells m!Inquisitor that he's not in search for a lover and that he'd appreciate him as a friend, but he doesn't mention his sole preference to women.

It was implied that he was interested in the female mage warden, but c'mon. DA:O is so old and it got enough criticism for having two bisexual companions at that time. Having videogame characters with different sexualities was something very rare in the past.

It still is, actually.

 

I just really want to know, why they recorded those lines from the male inquisitor in the first place. Was it a technical reason, or something else? I don't know, but for me it just seems as if the devs are trying of avoid answering this question and it's starting to rub me the wrong way. :/

 

They don't have to answer any questions

[Nightshade715]

Now I really want to see male Hawke wearing a dress with ruffles.

[Panda]

If it was soooo clear that he's heterosexual, why did they even record those lines from the male inquisitor? 

His sexuality wasn't an important part of his arc, like e.g. with Dorian. He tells m!Inquisitor that he's not in search for a lover and that he'd appreciate him as a friend, but he doesn't mention his sole preference to women.

It was implied that he was interested in the female mage warden, but c'mon. DA:O is so old and it got enough criticism for having two bisexual companions at that time. Having videogame characters with different sexualities was something very rare in the past.

It still is, actually.

 

I just really want to know, why they recorded those lines from the male inquisitor in the first place. Was it a technical reason, or something else? I don't know, but for me it just seems as if the devs are trying of avoid answering this question and it's starting to rub me the wrong way. :/

 

From what I have heard there is no m/f lines for Dorian and no f/f lines for Cassandra so to me it seems quite clear that some part of production of DAI Cullen was going to be bisexual LI, but for some reason it was cut, I think time issue would be most likely since he is race-gated for that reason as well.

[Panda]

Maybe this will answer some questions. 

 

"LI: What is the reasoning behind Cullen being only romanceable by a female Inquisitor? Is there any reasoning?

 

DG: Um, that is sort of a larger question. That sort of leads to "Why did we change the system from DA2 to Inquisition?" in terms of DA2 had four characters that were bisexual. Why did we change that? Why was Cullen made straight is more of a question of "Why do we have straight characters? And straight characters?" My answer to that question is because that's where we eventually landed. Some characters have to be straight. Some characters have to be gay. Some characters have to be bisexual. Eventually, once we made that decision, that means there's not going to be these other things. There's a simple answer, which is yeah. That's what we decided. The more complicated question is why did we decide there must be straight characters. And that was more like - I said this every time we talked about the romance system for DA2, for instance. Every time I said that if we had the resources, if we had enough romances to go around, I would prefer to have set sexualities. And that making all of them bisexual is a compromise of sorts - not one I really like, because bisexuality itself is not a compromise - it's a distinct sexuality. But, I didn't want to tell four bisexual stories so it even varied in DA2. Isabela, for instance, is very open about her sexuality. She talks about romancing either sex. Then you go all the way to Merrill, who doesn't mention it at all, and the idea was to leave room for ambiguity, but where we ultimately ended up on is that ambiguity wasn't necessarily helpful. I know some people like it, some people really hated it, some people diluted their characters and that led to...that sort of ran down a road of where people called player-sexuality, which isn't a term I really like. Because it implies the player's perception of their sexuality dictates their sexuality.. dictates the reality of their sexuality. So, that if you're a man romancing Merrill, because she never talks about her sexuality, that lets to pretend that she's straight if you like? But you seeing her as straight does not make her straight. She is bisexual, even if you're not exposed to that. That's the same as a bisexual person - a bisexual woman could be in a current romance in a man. That doesn't make her straight - that makes her bisexual. Us changing that wasn't that we didn't want to deal with that - it's that... okay, getting away from that ambiguity with that - okay, we like to have set sexualities so we can tell different stories. We can have actual representation. We can tell stories so that they are bisexual stories adjacent to gay stories and straight stories, as well. It's about having all types of people and not needing the ambiguity means we can include having that part of their character."

 

http://www.ladyinsan...terview-gaymerx

 

But that doesn't explain why Cullen was bisexual in one point in making of DAI and then his m/m content was cut. It would explain if they first were going to go with DA2's route with all LI's but since Cassandra and Dorian have been straight and bi from the start (it seems like that cause there is no romance lines with other gen) and Cullen who was add as extra romance in last year of development was going to be bisexual at some point.

[Cantina]

I for one am glad, extremely glad this was not put in the game.

 

Look, I’ve played the previous games and Cullen has always come off as a straight man. He is rather virtuous and does not seem the type to be interested in being and/or sleeping with a man.  Not only that in DA2 practically everyone was Bi. In DAI the developers went forwards instead of going back to that crap. Thus I applauded the developers for having such a range of companion sexual preference in DAI.

 

I get it, I DO get it, and there are people who want to play a male character and romance Cullen, but my view on that is, too bad. In real life a lot of people DO have sexual preferences. In my youth I was interested in someone but found out he was gay. I did not stomp my feet and cry about it. I respected his choice.

 

If you wish to romance Cullen, just role a female character or simply don’t romance him at all.

 

To me making Cullen Bi would take away from his character. The choice in who Cullen is interested in, DOES make sense and plays well for his character.

[PrayingMantis]

They don't have to answer any questions

 

Nobody has to do anything, but it would be nice nevertheless.

 

From what I have heard there is no m/f lines for Dorian and no f/f lines for Cassandra so to me it seems quite clear that some part of production of DAI Cullen was going to be bisexual LI, but for some reason it was cut, I think time issue would be most likely since he is race-gated for that reason as well.

 

What irritates me is, that some devs answer this by "he's just straight.", and then we have other suspicious tweets, where people say that it's because of lack of time. I have no idea if those tweets are in fact reliable, but this constant back and forth looks just kind of... Off? I mean, they said the race gating was story reasons as well, but I didn't encounter anything regarding that in the actual game. I can't find those reasons, no character told me anything directly about their racial preferences or whatever. Solas just leaves you pondering in the corner until you go "ah! It's because of the dying elven race... Probably..." by yourself. Cullen doesn't make any sense to me at all, either.

If it's "story-reasons" I expect them to turn up in the actual story, you know?

If Cullen's straight, I expect him to tell my m!inquisitor that he's into girls upfront. No vague "I don't seek a relationship at the moment"-crap, that you could interpret as something else. They didn't shy away from making Dorian's sexual orientation an important part of his character (which is great), so why shy away from Cullen? If it's really part of his character, then show it. 

[Milana]

I for one am glad, extremely glad this was not put in the game.

 

Look, I’ve played the previous games and Cullen has always come off as a straight man. He is rather virtuous and does not seem the type to be interested in being and/or sleeping with a man.  Not only that in DA2 practically everyone was Bi. In DAI the developers went forwards instead of going back to that crap. Thus I applauded the developers for having such a range of companion sexual preference in DAI.

 

I get it, I DO get it, and there are people who want to play a male character and romance Cullen, but my view on that is, too bad. In real life a lot of people DO have sexual preferences. In my youth I was interested in someone but found out he was gay. I did not stomp my feet and cry about it. I respected his choice.

 

If you wish to romance Cullen, just role a female character or simply don’t romance him at all.

 

To me making Cullen Bi would take away from his character. The choice in who Cullen is interested in, DOES make sense and plays well for his character.

i remember talking about it already somewhere but nevertheless, do you remember when was DA:O made?

i think 2009-2010, as first Mass effect. At that time i for first time travelled aboard and released that there are gays/lesbians/bis in real life too,not just in movies like Brokeback mountain(thats actually one of the few gay/lesbian representation that i remember at that time) lol

So i believe that the reason Cullen or Kaidan(who had lines with m!shep in me1 too) not being attracted to both genders is just that Bioware wasnt so brave to do it at that time since they already had Zevran(who more prefers women) and Leliana(who was well accepted coz u know lesbians are cool for straight male gamers).  

Then with ME3 i really thought they will go the same route with Cullen but apparently Dragon age is set in real world and having the same amount for all sexualities is too unrealistic:)

[Monica21]

 

For all we know there could every single bit of dialogue for a romance between Mqusitor and Cullen for the whole game still in the files, all the way down to how Cullen thinks the inqusitors ding-dong tastes good. Idk. Just commenting that it could be a while.

 

Apparently Greg Ellis recorded a fair bit of "raunchy" dialogue that didn't make it in-game. If a single line is devoted to how good the female Inquisitor's hoohah tastes, Ima start flipping tables.

 

We should ask Bioware for an Official statement regarding Cullen's preference, that will end this war...i dont have any cookies and coffees left because of this thread next time ill buy more if ever...

 

I think that Gaider's tweet was sufficient in this case. I don't think designers need to explain their design decisions. As some point, whether because of time or because it didn't work for his character, Cullen, as presented in the game, is straight. I don't think there is a single answer that will satisfy people.

 

I like how bothering the writer and making him justify his decisions somehow makes you think that it will make him change his mind. He just now thinks that you're being annoying whiners.

 

Good job, this "respectful request" is truly working.

 

That was just some crazy weirdo on twitter, not anyone on this thread, to my knowledge.

 

But that doesn't explain why Cullen was bisexual in one point in making of DAI and then his m/m content was cut. It would explain if they first were going to go with DA2's route with all LI's but since Cassandra and Dorian have been straight and bi from the start (it seems like that cause there is no romance lines with other gen) and Cullen who was add as extra romance in last year of development was going to be bisexual at some point.

 

Why does it need to be explained? I honestly don't understand this. It was either because of development time or because it just didn't work for his character, and I lean toward the latter. Either way, Cullen is straight. Or, he's just not attracted to the male Inquisitor.

[Monica21]

Cullen is bashful. When asked about sex as a female, he quickly changes the subject and mutters 'Makers breath.' He's not the character to just blatantly say, I want to have sex. 

 

Being so confident and upfront about sex and intimacy is not a part of his character and it never has been. Players want him to do this and do that when at the core of his personality, he's just not upfront about it. Why? because he is shy. He's written that way. 

 

What it doesn't explain is why Bioware pulled his other content. But don't confuse what the Dev's do and Cullen's actions in game due to his personality. 

 

Indeed. He literally ran from kissing a female mage in Origins. I don't know that I'd call him shy, but rather introverted which is different. I mean, he does kiss you on the rather aggressively patrolled battlements, even if he apologizes for it afterwards and calls it "nice." In this context it leads to the same thing though, which is that he's not up for a chat about his sexual preference or how many partners he's had in the middle of training recruits.

[eyezonlyii]

Look, I’ve played the previous games and Cullen has always come off as a straight man. He is rather virtuous and does not seem the type...
 
In my youth I was interested in someone but found out he was gay. I did not stomp my feet and cry about it. I respected his choice.
 

Just want to say, be careful with how you say things as these two statements of your could be taken to an extremely uncomfortable place.

[sandalisthemaker]

I for one am glad, extremely glad this was not put in the game.

 

Look, I’ve played the previous games and Cullen has always come off as a straight man. He is rather virtuous and does not seem the type to be interested in being and/or sleeping with a man.  Not only that in DA2 practically everyone was Bi. In DAI the developers went forwards instead of going back to that crap. 

 

What an awful, ignorant post.

 

I sincerely hope that you are a troll.

[Grieving Natashina]

I for one am glad, extremely glad this was not put in the game.

 

Look, I’ve played the previous games and Cullen has always come off as a straight man. He is rather virtuous and does not seem the type to be interested in being and/or sleeping with a man.  Not only that in DA2 practically everyone was Bi. In DAI the developers went forwards instead of going back to that crap. 

 

 

 

Did someone try to apply yet another awful stereotype about my sexuality?  Goodie, I got up just in time!

[MelissaGT]

First let's clear something up.By your argument I can see that you mean something like "Wow women would never be attracted to guy who has f~cked and has thing for dudes." let's first start with shallow "thing" that you think it may affect women and that is...Cullen is virgin so he never f~cked dudes or anyone!

Now that "shallow" thing is out of the way I as female myself can assure you that someone's sexuality doesn't bother us at all as long as they like us! So someone's taste,history and ~yada yada~ doesn't interest us as long as that person wants to be with us as well!As long as that person does care for us,like us and is wanting us as us...then we don't give a single damn if they are bi or pansexual!

Now third thing!About 90% female players make male characters in DA/ME only to romance other dude lol So bi Cullen wouldn't affect female players in bad way,very opposite it would give girls one more reason to play guy simply because of it

In all three cases your argument is more then invalid,it doesn't make no sense as first and as second I have yet to see a girl that complains about bi Cullen in fact do homework in this area a little and see that females are one in first place asking for bi Cullen.

 

Not trying to start anything but I don't appreciate the gross generalization above. I happen to be one of those women...straight as a board myself, but in a relationship with a bi-sexual man. We've been together for almost 8 years and he was up front about his sexuality from the start. It took me a long time to wrap my head around it and be comfortable with it. I'm fine with it now, but I had to work through a lot of self-esteem issues. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with my having low self-esteem to begin with. But, I wouldn't say that I'm the only straight woman that has ever felt the same about being with a bi-sexual man.

 

Also, I've been a "gamer" since about 2007. I've only rolled ONE male character and that was a Shepard to romance Tali. I guess you can count me into that 10%. 

 

I feel like I've put myself out on a limb here so please don't take my statement above to mean that I have any issues with anybody's sexuality. People have a right to be any way they want. I just wanted to share how I had to work through some "head stuff" as a straight person falling in love with a bi-sexual person.

 

I also will not share my opinion on the whole Cullen thing as that has been hashed and re-hashed over and over to the point of beating that poor dead horse to death again. 

[Ryzaki]

welp Sandal and Nata already said I was going to.

 

Just smh.

[MelissaGT]

Apparently Greg Ellis recorded a fair bit of "raunchy" dialogue that didn't make it in-game. If a single line is devoted to how good the female Inquisitor's hoohah tastes, Ima start flipping tables.

 

 

*snip*

 

OMG THIS! 

[AresKeith]

because for some straight women its horrifying to even think that " their man" can be bisexual:)

Can we not do that